What is racism?

[luutzu]

It has only become a recent phenomena, where uni students didn't expect to have to work their way through Uni.
Most Uni students in the 1970's 80's and 90's had to have jobs to pay their way through.
Actually single mums pensions only came about in the 1970's, before that single mum's, just had to suck it up.
This is the problem with a welfare state, all of a sudden everyone wants a piece of it, and want to abuse those who have to pay for it.

When the White Australia policy was in place, did it include White Aussies plus Aborigines but not other races?

There are laws and regulations to prevent abuse of welfare. So if a person lie or cheat, then sure, fine them or whatever.

But to say that welfare is bad because people want it. Why wouldn't people want it if they need it? Heck, we gave money away to plenty of those who don't need it and splurging it on financial speculations, high end luxury goods and tax avoidance experts.

There are many ways people can contribute to society other than working at any job.

It might serve a society better if the young and the elderly don't have to be out there "working" and getting exploited. If they want to work, sure... but this thing about working is marvellous when it pays crap and could change lives for the worst.

Maybe kids should just sit around, think and read and wonder what they want to do with their lives. That would better serve the community than getting a job at Maccas for a few bucks, send profits to shareholders.

Or maybe a senior person don't have to work. Spend time with the grandkids or just enjoying life a bit after all the years of work.

We all pay our same share of tax either way. It always go to those with cash and good connections anyway.

 

[luutzu]

In my experience, culture is the main factor as to why one nation has a successful economy and others are less successful. The economic success of Germany and Japan are good examples of successful nations because their people possess a strong work ethic and honesty in their dealings with others.

On a micro level, I believe ones "upbringing" equates to culture on a macro level. Thus the upbringing of Aboriginal people tends to prevent them succeeding economically rather than them being lazy or work shy.

I am not sure how this conflict of cultures can be resolved. We cannot force people to integrate so that we all eventually behave the same way.

Perhaps "supporting" the Aboriginal population until such time that it integrates with the rest of Australia is the "price the rest of us have to pay" for making our culture the "required" norm here.

What?

You know your history from your fantasies or what?

So all Germans and Japanese, or most of them, are hardworking and deal honestly with people. that's the secret to their success?

I guess that must have skipped the WW2 generation in those countries then?

Maybe do a race swap like they swap wives on TV. Oh wait, we have examples of good/bad, lazy/hardwork etc. etc. among all the races.

 

[luutzu]

Iuutzu, maybe you should go to a suburb near where you live, and do a bit of social work.
Then give some feedback.

I have worked with Social Workers.

They're always hard at work asking the gov't for a bit more grant so they can help a few more kids.

The cash that's given to help the disadvantage is so small they're not even crumbs.

 

[sptrawler]

When the White Australia policy was in place, did it include White Aussies plus Aborigines but not other races?

There are laws and regulations to prevent abuse of welfare. So if a person lie or cheat, then sure, fine them or whatever.

But to say that welfare is bad because people want it. Why wouldn't people want it if they need it? Heck, we gave money away to plenty of those who don't need it and splurging it on financial speculations, high end luxury goods and tax avoidance experts.

There are many ways people can contribute to society other than working at any job.

It might serve a society better if the young and the elderly don't have to be out there "working" and getting exploited. If they want to work, sure... but this thing about working is marvellous when it pays crap and could change lives for the worst.

Maybe kids should just sit around, think and read and wonder what they want to do with their lives. That would better serve the community than getting a job at Maccas for a few bucks, send profits to shareholders.

Or maybe a senior person don't have to work. Spend time with the grandkids or just enjoying life a bit after all the years of work.

We all pay our same share of tax either way. It always go to those with cash and good connections anyway.

Sorry obviously, my opinion that welfare should be for those who are trying, and not for those who aren't.
Doesn't fit in, with your welfare because everyone deserves it ideology, I'll tap out.
Obviously you have more skin in the game, than me.

 

[luutzu]

Sorry obviously, my opinion that welfare should be for those who are trying, and not for those who aren't.
Doesn't fit in, with your welfare because everyone deserves it ideology, I'll tap out.

No one wants to be on welfare.

To get people off of it, create jobs and opportunities for them. They'll then get off of it themselves without being asked or given dirty looks.

Guess who else is getting welfare but don't believe they do. Any property investor. Every investor come to think of it.

What is negative gearing but a closeted form of welfare payment? And is it good or bad for society?

Oh ey, you got money for more than one house to live in. Poor you. Here's your tax back because you've made losses on your property investments. Take it bro, it's on the house.

And oh, when you finally make money on the property, we'll only consider half of it a profit. And btw, you can further claim against those profits by buying more bad investment to negate it.

But sure, it's the kids and the grannies that's abusing the system and getting welfare.

 

[Tisme]

You're probably right, we are to blame for all of the Aboriginal outcomes, they're responsible for none of the outcomes.
We can give them more affirmative action, it hasn't worked in the past.
We can give them more welfare, that hasn't worked in the past.
We can take them away from abusive domestic situations, that hasn't worked in the past.
We can pay them to go to school, that hasn't worked in the past.
We can set up Aboriginal industries i.e Wiluna orange plantation and the emu farm, that hasn't worked.
http://www.riverblueholdings.com.au/gallery15.html

Maybe we should just give them all a house? I've seen what they do to them, but I guess we just don't fix them up enough times.

Maybe you could give a few suggestions, that haven't been tried and failed?

I think we can find ourselves guilty of lumping all part aboriginals into the one basket. Sure there are plenty of them who seize on the mischievous opportunity to blame the white side of their gene pool for their lack of success, but there are plenty of others and full bloods who actually participate well in the workplace and community.

We could just as well find any skin tone examples of indolence, welfare sponging, dispossession, mental health, drug & alcohol abuse, child abuse etc. Putting the spotlight on aboriginals may reveal a truth, but if we did the same to other ethnics in the country how different would it be and what measure do we apply to each.

WE can't underestimate the human disease and whether we like it or not, there are many people out there who gravitate to drama, to poverty, to victim status, to crime, etc where they find a certain stability of continuity and surety.

 

[Value Collector]

In my experience, culture is the main factor as to why one nation has a successful economy and others are less successful. The economic success of Germany and Japan are good examples of successful nations because their people possess a strong work ethic and honesty in their dealings with others.

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Geography has a lot to do with it.

 

[tech/a]

No one wants to be on welfare.

Really!!!!!!!!!!!

Work ------or Govt Handouts.

1000s take Govt Hand outs.
Many more 1000s Rort the Social welfare system

Claiming Stress/any number of injuries. Not to mention Work Cover.
I had one Caucasian guy work 1 day--strain his back he is on the Dole 3 yrs later and his work cover claimed expenses are $87,000. I've seen him surfing
running around on the beach with mates/lifting a canoe onto his roof racks by himself---cruisey life! I Know of at least 5 cases. Just settled a stress claim for $30,000.

Single parent when both live together.(I know of 4 couples myself)

Working and still getting the dole.(Cash) Know of the above 4 doing this also.


Wow !! Luutzu---come out from under your Green Rock and have a look.

 

[wayneL]

Really!!!!!!!!!!!

Work ------or Govt Handouts.

1000s take Govt Hand outs.
Many more 1000s Rort the Social welfare system

Claiming Stress/any number of injuries. Not to mention Work Cover.
I had one Caucasian guy work 1 day--strain his back he is on the Dole 3 yrs later and his work cover claimed expenses are $87,000. I've seen him surfing
running around on the beach with mates/lifting a canoe onto his roof racks by himself---cruisey life! I Know of at least 5 cases. Just settled a stress claim for $30,000.

Single parent when both live together.(I know of 4 couples myself)

Working and still getting the dole.(Cash) Know of the above 4 doing this also.


Wow !! Luutzu---come out from under your Green Rock and have a look.

Exactly,

I gross about 5 1/2k a week as a farrier. But I get screwed by taxes and having to swim in deep fiscal waters. I know families where nobody works that have a better lifestyle than me. Nice house, new Kluger every three years etc.

 

[Kerway]

So all Germans and Japanese, or most of them, are hardworking and deal honestly with people. that's the secret to their success?

I did start my post with "in my experience". I have dealt with citizens of both countries in a business context and found this to be the case. I firmly believe that their work ethic, loyalty to their employer and willingness to work together are a significant contributor to their economic success.

Germany has stood out in Europe and Japan in East Asia in relation to their success in business.

 

[sptrawler]

Really!!!!!!!!!!!

Work ------or Govt Handouts.

1000s take Govt Hand outs.
Many more 1000s Rort the Social welfare system

Claiming Stress/any number of injuries. Not to mention Work Cover.
I had one Caucasian guy work 1 day--strain his back he is on the Dole 3 yrs later and his work cover claimed expenses are $87,000. I've seen him surfing
running around on the beach with mates/lifting a canoe onto his roof racks by himself---cruisey life! I Know of at least 5 cases. Just settled a stress claim for $30,000.

Single parent when both live together.(I know of 4 couples myself)

Working and still getting the dole.(Cash) Know of the above 4 doing this also.


Wow !! Luutzu---come out from under your Green Rock and have a look.

The pendulum is swinging away from welfare bludgers, I do know some pretty well, they live five to a house but "my Gov" is giving them a lot of grief.LOL

 

[tech/a]

We must be in different countries because the Govt I know
Do absolutely zilch

 

[sptrawler]

No, trust me, the screws are being applied, mostly due to data matching.

 

[moXJO]

No one wants to be on welfare.

Yeah they do. I know people who have been on the dole all their life. Some have cash in hand jobs, most think it's their right.
I also knew plenty on workers comp back in the 90s. They actually sent the scheme broke and it had to change in 2000. You could rort it for big money.
In one family 6 people were on it.

People like to rort money from the government. And there are plenty of lazy bastards.

 

[luutzu]

I did start my post with "in my experience". I have dealt with citizens of both countries in a business context and found this to be the case. I firmly believe that their work ethic, loyalty to their employer and willingness to work together are a significant contributor to their economic success.

Germany has stood out in Europe and Japan in East Asia in relation to their success in business.

Maybe they work with military precision, shall we say.

Can't generalise from the few people you work with to an entire race.

On an individual level, sure, hard honest work, in a team, don't know about loyalty to employers as that depends on the kind of employer they have... but on an individual level, all those would play a big part in a person's economic success.

On a national level, you're talking a whole lot more than sweat, tears, toil and team work mate.

For one, you'd need a well funded, easy/cheap access to quality education. You'd need proper infrastructure like roads, bridges, the internet, power supply.

Then you'd need a well armed military to secure and source your own natural resources; or can liberate it from elsewhere.

Then you'd need them to be strong enough that no other power comes in to try and free your people.

But sure, it's hard work as a team that does it.

 

[luutzu]

Yeah they do. I know people who have been on the dole all their life. Some have cash in hand jobs, most think it's their right.
I also knew plenty on workers comp back in the 90s. They actually sent the scheme broke and it had to change in 2000. You could rort it for big money.
In one family 6 people were on it.

People like to rort money from the government. And there are plenty of lazy bastards.

There are rorters and freeloaders out there, and they ain't all welfare/CentreLink cheats or fake sickies.

If the gov't don't want people to cheat them, give them opportunities for work where they could feed their family without needing to cheat.

That and design the system where those who don't need to, but still does, cheat... catch them.

I don't have that much love for insurers to be honest. They never cover anything where they'd have to pay any significant amount anyway. So when they get "rorted", suck it up.

 

[Macquack]

I gross about 5 1/2k a week as a farrier.

Geez, at that rate, looks like the next set of slippers for my mustang will be retreads.

 

[luutzu]

Really!!!!!!!!!!!

Work ------or Govt Handouts.

1000s take Govt Hand outs.
Many more 1000s Rort the Social welfare system

Claiming Stress/any number of injuries. Not to mention Work Cover.
I had one Caucasian guy work 1 day--strain his back he is on the Dole 3 yrs later and his work cover claimed expenses are $87,000. I've seen him surfing
running around on the beach with mates/lifting a canoe onto his roof racks by himself---cruisey life! I Know of at least 5 cases. Just settled a stress claim for $30,000.

Single parent when both live together.(I know of 4 couples myself)

Working and still getting the dole.(Cash) Know of the above 4 doing this also.


Wow !! Luutzu---come out from under your Green Rock and have a look.

Then catch them. Fine them etc.

There are tax cheats, should we not have tax because there are some people cheating it?

There are corrupt and fradulent CEOs and businesses. Should we ban all businesses and private enterprise?

This is how propaganda work. Got to be careful what we're being led into.

They tell you about true cases of cheats and undeserving welfare recipients. Show examples of how hardworking, honest decent people are being played for suckers by these cheats.

What is the solution they're proposing?

Let's cut it. No, not cut it to those who rort the system; cut it for everyone.

 

[tech/a]

So you retract your comment
“ No one wants to be on welfare” ?

 

[wayneL]

Geez, at that rate, looks like the next set of slippers for my mustang will be retreads.

Retreads are the same price, unless it's a therapeutic job.