What is racism?

[Tisme]

Jewish (Semitism) like Islam or Christianity is a religion not a race.

Well if that's the case their would have been no need for Israel being set up after WWII.

Judaism is the religious and nation side of Jews. Jewsihness is passed through the maternal side so their is an implied biological identification.

 

[luutzu]

There must be genetic differences that determine differences in appearance, skin pigment etc.

We're all one race: the Human Race


I think skin colour will eventually adapt to the environment - so after a couple thousand generations, White Australians will start to have brown babies, haha. I guess it's not that funny...

 

[SirRumpole]

I think skin colour will eventually adapt to the environment - so after a couple thousand generations, White Australians will start to have brown babies, haha. I guess it's not that funny...

We are supposed to be going Green aren't we ?

 

[luutzu]

We are supposed to be going Green aren't we ?

oh yea, supposed to.

Regarding skin colour... there's some white people I know with lots of freckles... I guess their gene does try seeing they've been here a while.

 

[wayneL]

As I mentioned earlier their is no such thing as race, it's just artificial categories we place people in based on the colour of their skin and the region their ancestors were from.

How ever on the point of Jews, like Muslims, Islam and Judaism are both religions, however it's also a cultural thing that they attach some ethnicity to.

Eg I have heard people describe them selves as being Jewish, but then say they are atheist, and I have also seen people of Jewish back grounds descriminated against because of racial distinctions attached to being a Jew, even though they are not actually practicing the religion.

You can attack things like people's religion and other aspects of their culture and still be racist if the reason you are attacking that thing is because you have a problem with their race.

But you just explained (correctly Imo) that there's no such thing as race.

 

[Value Collector]

But you just explained (correctly Imo) that there's no such thing as race.

Yes, biologically races don't exist, but as I said we have constructed these artificial categories based on skin colour and region of ancestory which we call "races", and it is the stereotyping based on these artificial catorgories which we call racism.

For what ever reason, a certain portion of us humans will dislike, mistrust or fear members of one or more of these "races" (artificial), and we will tend to group them all together and make snap judgements about them.

They may even lash out at part of the groups culture, under the cover of saying "I am not being racist, xyz is not a race" but really the reason they are attacking xyz might stem from their dislike, mistrust or fear of people from that racial group and wanting to keep members of that group away.

It's not always the case, but sometimes it is.

 

[Value Collector]

There must be genetic differences that determine differences in appearance, skin pigment etc.

Offcourse there is genetic differences but they are actually very slight, we are all the same species/race, the genetic differences are nothing but slight adaptions based of where your ancestors lived for the past 1000 generations or so.

It wasn't that long ago that we left Africa and started spreading around the world, before that we would have all looked very similar, we have not been separated for long enough for us to diverge enough for us to be considered separate species, fertile individuals from any "race" can mate with fertile individuals of any other "race" and produce viable offspring, that shows we are the same species.

 

[Value Collector]

I think skin colour will eventually adapt to the environment - so after a couple thousand generations, White Australians will start to have brown babies, haha. I guess it's not that funny...

Only if we all started living out doors, refused sun protection, and stopped treating skin cancer.

Evolution of this type would need natural selection to be selecting the darker skin tones, eg us white guys would have to be getting skin cancer and dying before we could mate, or suffer some other affliction due to our light skin that caused us to have a lower rate of individuals surviving and pass on their genes.

As long as we have sun protection, eg clothing and we have access to shelter eg buildings we should be ok

 

[Value Collector]

Here is a very good explanation of part of what I have been trying to say.

I think it would interest both Wayne and Rum pole, it's only a short video, but explains why scientifically races in humans aren't really a thing.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPK-1k_pDAE[/video]

 

[SirRumpole]

Here is a very good explanation of part of what I have been trying to say.

I think it would interest both Wayne and Rum pole, it's only a short video, but explains why scientifically races in humans aren't really a thing.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zPK-1k_pDAE[/video]

Fine, thank you.

In one of your other posts you mentioned species, which of course all humans are the one species, like dogs are all the one species, but there are demonstrably different breeds of dog that can interbreed with each other, as difficult as that may be for some

So we can't just say "all dogs are the same" because in some ways they are, but different breeds have different characteristics not just in appearance but also in behaviour and susceptibility to certain diseases.

So maybe there is a parallel between breed and race but that's not to say that one dog is "superior" to another, they may just have different attributes due to their line of evolution.

So I have a problem with your statement

Offcourse there is genetic differences but they are actually very slight, we are all the same species/race,

I don't think you can equate species and race, they are different metrics. Species = dog, race = breed.

 

[bellenuit]

Sorry, i haven't had time to do other than give this a cursory look, but it seems pertinent to recent discussions on this thread (and the religion threads)

SCIENCE tells us what Jesus looked like!

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/science-tells-us-what-jesus-looked-like/

 

[Tisme]

Fine, thank you.

In one of your other posts you mentioned species, which of course all humans are the one species, like dogs are all the one species, but there are demonstrably different breeds of dog that can interbreed with each other, as difficult as that may be for some

So we can't just say "all dogs are the same" because in some ways they are, but different breeds have different characteristics not just in appearance but also in behaviour and susceptibility to certain diseases.

So maybe there is a parallel between breed and race but that's not to say that one dog is "superior" to another, they may just have different attributes due to their line of evolution.

So I have a problem with your statement



I don't think you can equate species and race, they are different metrics. Species = dog, race = breed.

Melbourne Cup would be interesting if they ran different breeds, rather than the temperamental thoroughbreds.

Of course Thomas Morgan and his troupe of flies might also have something to say about no biological differences between breeds.

THinking of riding a cockhorse to banbury cross

 

[Value Collector]

Fine, thank you.

In one of your other posts you mentioned species, which of course all humans are the one species, like dogs are all the one species, but there are demonstrably different breeds of dog that can interbreed with each other, as difficult as that may be for some

So we can't just say "all dogs are the same" because in some ways they are, but different breeds have different characteristics not just in appearance but also in behaviour and susceptibility to certain diseases.

So maybe there is a parallel between breed and race but that's not to say that one dog is "superior" to another, they may just have different attributes due to their line of evolution.

So I have a problem with your statement



I don't think you can equate species and race, they are different metrics. Species = dog, race = breed.

No, dogs are not all the same species, for example a wolf and a fox are two separate species there are a few species of dogs actually.

wolves and foxes are both dogs, in the same way humans, chimps and gorillas are all apes.

But the point is, when it comes to genetic differences between "races" of human, the differences are so small that they pale in comparison to the natural differences between individuals. So much so that pretty much any stereotype you try and forge from a racial perspective will be wrong.

For example the average intelligence of the races is so close that there is basically no difference, how ever the intelligence of individuals among all the groups varies dramatically, so if you got an Asian and a whit guy and tested their intelligence, and one was an iq of 130 and the other 100, that difference would not be based on race, it's based on the natural variation among species.

 

[Tisme]

Sorry, i haven't had time to do other than give this a cursory look, but it seems pertinent to recent discussions on this thread (and the religion threads)

SCIENCE tells us what Jesus looked like!

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/science-tells-us-what-jesus-looked-like/

Nonsense stuff. You only have to visit New York to see what Jews look like e.g.

Widows peak;
4rse half way up their back;
Gold teeth;
Sun starved pallid skin or full on monotone sallow sepia colour;
Speak with "sch" in front of every second word;
Big curved sausage honker with a hump half way down that eventually becomes bigger than their heads as they grow older;
John Lennon spectacles;
Forehead 2/5s of the head rather the 1/3 like most gentiles;
Gravitational large rubber lower lips and heart shaped top lip; or frog mouth lizard lips;
Big lobeless ears, set down near the jawline that want to be wing nuts;
Plastic covers on chairs and lounge suites;
high cheek bones;
Often bug eyed and their eyelids droop at the sides.

Stars Wars came close with the all star original Jewish cast and characters like this:

 

[Value Collector]

Melbourne Cup would be interesting if they ran different breeds, rather than the temperamental thoroughbreds.

Of course Thomas Morgan and his troupe of flies might also have something to say about no biological differences between breeds.

THinking of riding a cockhorse to banbury cross

You are offcourse talking about "breeds" here, ie a line of animals that has been purposefully bred by humans to contain certain characteristics, human "races" were not formed this way, and when you randomly select individuals from around the world, we are genetically very similar as was mentioned in the video I up loaded, there is less difference between an African and a Native American than there is between two chimps from different part of the forest.

 

[Tisme]

You are offcourse talking about "breeds" here, ie a line of animals that has been purposefully bred by humans to contain certain characteristics, human "races" were not formed this way, and when you randomly select individuals from around the world, we are genetically very similar as was mentioned in the video I up loaded, there is less difference between an African and a Native American than there is between two chimps from different part of the forest.

Yeah, but you can't trust research and yarns from a jewish controlled media. Jewish facts in the modern era date back to Walt Disney, Donald Duck in particular, a deliberate crack at eugenics and racial distinguishment....


Did I tell you I had my gene test done and I'm hoping the X% middle eastern in me is messianic? How cool would that be and it would explain my intelligence otherwise lack there of

 

[wayneL]

Well congratulations to Bill Leak and The Australian, for calling out the egregious intellectual minnow, Amanda Wise and that appalling propaganda rag, not even fit for use as toilet paper, The Guardian.

The ridiculous example these asinine leftist activist culture destroyers set for what is laughingly categorized as political correctness, exemplifies the worst manifestation of the 'lets get offended' industry.

Shame on Ms Wise for such unwarranted accusations of racism and shame on the Guardian editors for letting such tripe see the light of day.

(today's The Oz, page 4)

 

[Value Collector]

So maybe there is a parallel between breed and race but that's not to say that one dog is "superior" to another, they may just have different attributes due to their line of evolution.

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As I was trying to explain in my other post, what we call "Races" today, are so genetically similar that there is nothing to be gained by trying to classify pros and cons about each one, because to the variation between individuals is much greater than the average difference between races.

For example, Lets say on average X race has an IQ of 130 and Y has as average IQ of 129, you can't judge any future people you meet of either race because both will still have individuals ranging from extremely low levels through to extremely high levels.

There did actually used to be other races of humans, they have actually become extinct now though, all that remains are homo sapiens.

Here is an interesting video on evolution and classifications.

 

[SirRumpole]

As I was trying to explain in my other post, what we call "Races" today, are so genetically similar that there is nothing to be gained by trying to classify pros and cons about each one, because to the variation between individuals is much greater than the average difference between races.

For example, Lets say on average X race has an IQ of 130 and Y has as average IQ of 129, you can't judge any future people you meet of either race because both will still have individuals ranging from extremely low levels through to extremely high levels.

There did actually used to be other races of humans, they have actually become extinct now though, all that remains are homo sapiens.

Here is an interesting video on evolution and classifications.

OK, I'll believe you !

Thanks for the info.

 

[Tisme]

Well congratulations to Bill Leak and The Australian, for calling out the egregious intellectual minnow, Amanda Wise and that appalling propaganda rag, not even fit for use as toilet paper, The Guardian.

The ridiculous example these asinine leftist activist culture destroyers set for what is laughingly categorized as political correctness, exemplifies the worst manifestation of the 'lets get offended' industry.

Shame on Ms Wise for such unwarranted accusations of racism and shame on the Guardian editors for letting such tripe see the light of day.

(today's The Oz, page 4)

That's what we get when we have politicians who want to be elected and afraid to offend their multicultural constituents. So the sensitive types out there get to be mice that roared.

I have no sympathy for News Corp, they made and continue to make great copy out of sensationalising politicians and civic leaders who don't use the correct language and quick to brand them as wanting.