What is racism?

[luutzu]

Been thinking about this racism thing (notwithstanding that race might not be a valid construct).

If we define racism as the recognition and different treatment of different races, is all racism bad? Can there be neutral and good racism?

Governments implicitly endorse such a concept with land rights, indigenous recognition in the constitution, affirmative action etc (whether or not these are truly for the greater good or not).

That kind of policy might better be termed "social engineering" rather than racism, or affirmative action as they call it.

Racism is negative. I get what you're saying - that not all policies or decisions based on race are bad or negative. That's true. But we don't call a racist someone who can define race and know the different skin tone between the races right? Right?

 

[luutzu]

The $4.8 million salary was stated in this report

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-...post-ceos-multi-million-dollar-salary/5514682

Muslim or not, that's far too much for that position. The PM gets half a million.

PM get half mil for now. Once he retire, pension for life plus an office somewhere with two staffer (from memory)... then all those juicy consulting jobs from corporations his policy and his gov't was accidentally of the same mind (for the good of the country of course).

Bill and Hilary together earn something like $20Million last year from speaking fee. One could buy a lot more wisdom at 1% the cost.

 

[luutzu]

I think it is the definition of the words "inferior" and "superior" that are the problem, not whether particular races have particular characteristics.

If you compare Western Europeans to Indigenous Australians and say that the Europeans are superior because of their technology then you also have to consider the adverse effects of that technology, and while the aboriginals did not embrace technology they survived without creating pollution or nuclear weapons so the judgement of superiority in that comparison is a matter of opinion rather than fact.

There's a joke about the civilised guy working hard all year, saved up over two so he can take a few weeks off...

But then that kind of lifestyle meant no gun or gunpowder to shooo the civilisers away right?

 

[luutzu]

It pales in comparison to some others, Bob Iger Ceo of The Walt Disney Company earned $44.5 Million last year, But the Ideas he has had have set the company up to earn probably 50 Billion over the next 5 - 7 years, so as a share holder I don't mind

yea but AusPost loses money under him though.

But I guess it's no big deal compared to those banking CEOs who bankrupted their company but walked away with some $160 million and some $200 million pay in their last year.

 

[SirRumpole]

There's a joke about the civilised guy working hard all year, saved up over two so he can take a few weeks off...

But then that kind of lifestyle meant no gun or gunpowder to shooo the civilisers away right?

Survival of the fattest maybe ?

 

[Value Collector]

true for native title
but in that case you would agree that indigenous specific welfare or help is a clear manifestation of racism, to be deemed so inferior to the rest of Australian that you need special treatment or help, based on a % of recognised native blood whether you are born in sydney or in a NT bush, with a surgeon dad or a single mother on welfare.
as you can read thru, I am firmly against race based discrimination, positive or not as positiove discrimination is obviously straight discrimination against the "others" whatever colour of skin, place of birth or footy team they supports

As I said it's a blunt tool, but sometimes it's chosen to try and rectify pre exisiting problems. I am not an expert of government welfare programs though,

 

[Value Collector]

Were those the millions on examing the Shroud of Turin? Or that's another attempt at not feeding the poor?

I remember watching those docu way back then where scientist/archeologist go searching the bottom of the Red Sea for evidence that Moses and the Hebrew walked it. I remember the evidence they came up with was they've found some pot and broken plates or utensils dating back to around those time - so I guess conclusion was the sea did part and they didn't kinda sail over it or something.

Anyway, might go back watching DaVinci Code to see how the female lead there was descended from Christ again.

Here is an interesting video about bible claims and archeology by James Randi.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxEJHO8KIXY[/video]

 

[Value Collector]

yea but AusPost loses money under him though.

But I guess it's no big deal compared to those banking CEOs who bankrupted their company but walked away with some $160 million and some $200 million pay in their last year.

I don't know the Australia post story, but I know it's a difficult business, just because it's losing money under him now doesn't mean he is not performing, he might be in the middle of a great turn around, who knows, it's up to the board to decide.

Also, Australia post has certain services it must run that lose money, so again a small loss or a break even might be a big victory for their business model.

 

[Tisme]

Here is an interesting video about bible claims and archeology by James Randi.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxEJHO8KIXY[/video]

What else would we expect from a Jewish man, who has to deny the messiah has come.

 

[Tisme]

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Google defines racism as - the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races

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The audacity of that snippet is to admit to different races, which biologically kind limits the argument to appearance.

There's a misconception out there that white people propagated racism and spread it like a disease around the world. That suggests that places like Japan never had a caste system where the true natives were considered poisoned in the blood. Just because a nation of Arabic- Alpine Spaniards decided to act like dicks and infest the world with Catholicism and drug running doesn't mean white people are the root cause.

 

[Value Collector]

What else would we expect from a Jewish man, who has to deny the messiah has come.

He isn't Jewish, He is an atheist.

The audacity of that snippet is to admit to different races, which biologically kind limits the argument to appearance.

Well Biologically there is no such thing as "Races" among humans, So it is limited to appearances generally.

 

[luutzu]

Survival of the fattest maybe ?

Maybe the leanest with the biggest sticks? haha
You get fat and lazy after the deed's done.

But given the nukes and other less deadly weapons that's out there, maybe no one win after the game's over.

 

[luutzu]

Here is an interesting video about bible claims and archeology by James Randi.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxEJHO8KIXY[/video]

We all need a Disneyland don't we?

I thought there were maybe some political aspect to them and their Nazareth-Disneyland there. but looked it up and Nazareth seems to be within Israel and not the West Bank. So guess money and religion is still fine.

Heard last year some archeologist was saying how in Israel they've "discovered" a city or town where King David was. There were the odd bits of potteries etc. pointing to a King David... and sooo they clear the entire village off of Palestinians and build a King David theme park on it.

Man, the Bible, Koran and I guess all other religious texts can really be use to justify anything. Want to gas or use biological weapons... god has done it to free "his people" etc. etc.

 

[luutzu]

I don't know the Australia post story, but I know it's a difficult business, just because it's losing money under him now doesn't mean he is not performing, he might be in the middle of a great turn around, who knows, it's up to the board to decide.

Also, Australia post has certain services it must run that lose money, so again a small loss or a break even might be a big victory for their business model.

Yea I don't know the details of AusPost too, just read a few articles and headlines.

It looks to be setting up to fail and then privatise. Just like the US Postal or the Uk's Royal Mail... so I heard.

Agree that services like AusPost doesn't need to make money or profit in the way that other businesses or finance define profit. It's supposed to provide an essential service to the community. But you know, that's how they want to measure it and define usefulness or not so it'll go sooner or later.

Can't have it compete against Tolls or Asciano or something.

If it was managed properly, not sure why it couldn't change its model a bit, still provide the usual mail delivery as well as cargoes and logistics.

 

[Tisme]

He isn't Jewish, He is an atheist.
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No he's a Jew through and through... that's what they do as the original human decepticons, tell fibs and parade them as humanitarian truths.

 

[wayneL]

Is Jewish a race?

 

[SirRumpole]

Is Jewish a race?

Jewish (Semitism) like Islam or Christianity is a religion not a race.

 

[Value Collector]

No he's a Jew through and through... that's what they do as the original human decepticons, tell fibs and parade them as humanitarian truths.

Are you even familiar with his work? He is James Randi, he is a skeptic who has devoted his life to debunking con artists.

You should look up some of his stuff on you tube, he is a great guy, he put up a million dollars for anyone that could prove they had super natural talents.

 

[Value Collector]

Is Jewish a race?

As I mentioned earlier their is no such thing as race, it's just artificial categories we place people in based on the colour of their skin and the region their ancestors were from.

How ever on the point of Jews, like Muslims, Islam and Judaism are both religions, however it's also a cultural thing that they attach some ethnicity to.

Eg I have heard people describe them selves as being Jewish, but then say they are atheist, and I have also seen people of Jewish back grounds descriminated against because of racial distinctions attached to being a Jew, even though they are not actually practicing the religion.

You can attack things like people's religion and other aspects of their culture and still be racist if the reason you are attacking that thing is because you have a problem with their race.

 

[SirRumpole]

As I mentioned earlier their is no such thing as race, it's just artificial categories we place people in based on the colour of their skin and the region their ancestors were from.

There must be genetic differences that determine differences in appearance, skin pigment etc.