DeepState
Multi-Strategy, Quant and Fundamental
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Being out of the market at times is also a postion.
Taking an Apple vs Starbucks example is the same as taking any two stocks that always go up as an example, very poor in the real world.
NO!! You cannot assume stocks will always drift upwards. How does your re-balancing work on the Japanese market during the same time period of your apple and starbuck example??
If you start with incorrect assumptions, ie stocks always go up, you ignore the probability the assumption is wrong. The Japanese market is the exception that kills the assumption. Waiting more than 20 years for the market to return to normal is clearly to long.
I like, and have stated on numerous occasions that the Piotroski method is extremely useful is choosing from a basket of stocks, and yes that is re-balancing every year, but not with the same set of stocks, though it is a subset of all stocks.
Do I use that? Some of the time, especially when they go up in price, I'm happy to add.
Hey DeepState I am enjoying reading your posts. I am way out of depth trying to understand some of the mechansims of rebalancing so if you don't mind confirming something for me. How often do think rebalancing should take place? I think every 3 Months "feels right" but I am not sure. Secondly you say Rebalancing or not rebalancing for the Up-Up and Down-Down scenarios produce the same expected returns.
My question is, do you rebalance at your preset intervals (in my case 3 Months) or do you rebalance when you have major market moves? Which scenario do you think works best?
I would be interested in your view of averaging down.
... Disclaimer: I am making all this up on the fly. I have no investment expertise whatsoever and you should do your own work. This is not advice. I mean it.
... it works on the whole but that 1 in 10 big loser hurts, hurts a lot and can bring the whole portfolio down significantly ...
Hi S_C,
Can I take it from the tone of your post that you are softening you view on averaging-down?
1. Now introduce a big loser into your portfolio and your rebalancing exercise turns into a disaster as your constantly taking money from your winners and throwing it at your one big loser.
2. As i said in another thread, i don't think rebalancing can make anyone rich, name me one famous rebalancer? but it could help an average portfolio be a little better, but wouldn't make as much difference as say one really good stock pick, one big trend reversal and or emerging trend pick, buying Amazon or CSL at $5 and holding all the way will make a big difference.
Hi guys,
I have a question from experienced punters or investors. I am just wondering what has your hit and miss ratio been since you have started punting/investing on stocks. I am just wondering if it is possible to keep hit ratio over 50% in the long term. What I am saying is how many times you call turned out to be right compared to total call (including wrong call) for each specific time frame target?
Cheers
Retired Young,
You have obviously been around the, traps, possibly working for one of the larger groups. Could you please tell us a little more about yourself and your career. You have come across as a little bit condescendingly in your posts, as if your answers/statements are the only correct way to do things.
However considering your posts in this thread, it occurs to me that you maybe speaking to the converted, in people who trade. By trading you are constantly re-balancing, either between cash and stocks, or between stocks.
The type of stock holdings your referring to with the rebalancing is large portfolio based, mainly buy and hold. The B+H approach seems to be an anathema to virtually all who post on these threads, whether FA or TA. There would be few that hold a core portfolio looking at the timeframe of forever(even FA gets overvalued, plus in TA stocks don't just go up forever).
Poor stock selection, and continued holding of poor stocks, from a limited portfolio, will send you broke. If you had HIH, One-tel and Pasminco as part of a 10 stock portfolio, then constant rebalancing will take more money from winning stocks into these that eventually went broke, all around the same time.
So even with rebalancing, there must be a limit to what you add to any one stock.
It took me many years to learn to not add to losing stocks, I was a slow learner, made just about every mistake in the book.
The type of stock holdings your referring to with the rebalancing is large portfolio based, mainly buy and hold. The B+H approach seems to be an anathema to virtually all who post on these threads, whether FA or TA. There would be few that hold a core portfolio looking at the timeframe of forever(even FA gets overvalued, plus in TA stocks don't just go up forever).
As a long-term fundamental investor, who bothers to value stocks using DCF (with full consideration to how arbitrary this is, but accepting that this is your way of understanding the investment world), why would you consider rebalancing without further consideration of the current valuation of the investment and the current yield vs what you are rebalancing into?
From memory rebalancing has its best effects when there is a massive differential between current yield in current portfolio vs rebalanced portfolio.
Buffett, never did it, and that says a lot. He made plenty of comments on the concept too.
Certainly not trying to detract from your overall message in this thread, because in my opinion you have communicated many thoughtful ideas that people worry about, but this sums up the whole idea to me.To more directly answer your question, you would think about your view on stocks before rebalancing. If a stock rose, and your view became that is still cheap because of some development, the outcome would most likely be that you wouldn't rebalance the stock down or down by not as much. You may even increase the weight. In a prior post, I called rebalancing just a point of departure. It isn't necessarily your destination.
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One other point of reference that potential long-term investors that may consider re-balancing should think about is the concept of deferred tax liabilities (ie. free leverage) and its impact on compounding in the long-term.
It's a typo. Edited.BTW what's "thought worry"?
So, sorry if this angle and posture has caused you and others offence. I take it as given. But this doesn't mean I should shout, but the same questions keep coming up in different forms, so I am repeating myself trying to communicate this issue from different angles explaining it's worth.
I wasn't going to comment but then decided to.
First, make sure this isn't an ego thing.
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Your question never even enters my mind.
And, yes others have pointed out that results versus losses are independent of a win loss ratio, but even here ego can intrude.
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