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What can we learn from Anzac day?

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I just realise that, in the previous post, there is a photo of the horses used in WWI. Here's another copy of a poem I found on the web on that topic - Aussie origins (Kym Eitel) - sad one folks - and surely a sad moment for the men who had to kill their horses because quarantine and expense prevented them from coming back to Aus.

 
http://www.diggerhistory2.info/
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-help/faq.htm#horses
 
geek award given to the bloke responsible for (some of) the digger's website

Also an example of some of the countless FAQ's listed on that site - in case you didn't know what a "Deep Thinker" was for instance (which I for one didn't) - later changed to "Fair Dinkum" because anyone who joined after the casualty lists came out etcetc - really well set up site.

Lol, military jargon - "short arm inspection FAQ #32
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-help/faq.htm#short
 

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And on the condemn / contemn question (incidentally allegedly a distinctly Australian phenomenon):-
 

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http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-poetry/0-poetry-cat-index.htm
 
Vietnam brief history... from a couple of websites . The map allegedly applies to the Tet Offensive.
Casualties overall as listed below :-
After Vietnam (millions killed on each side), of course the majority were USA, with 58,209 killed
followed by South Korea (5000)
and many more Aus killed (512) than NZ (37).
also Thailand 350.
Note that UK wasn't there, and nor officially was Canada. ..
 

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http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-poetry/other/svn.htm
 
Sorry, 20/20, did you serve in Vietnam?

I had a full day of parade rehearsals today at 4 CSSB, 4 Bde. The usual stuff. Turn up on 5s from about 5 ranks above me, to be dicked around at the Q store. And I'm a Major! LOL.

Anyway, after watching the SSO's embarrass themselves no end (read my Company) we had a nice piss up in the soldiers boozer tonight and it was OK.

Looking forward to the dawn service and marching down to the shrine!
 
did you serve in Vietnam?
answered back there mate - nope, although like a fully brainwashed impressionable young bloke, I asked almost pleaded to go - but Portsea blokes got preference. My only overseas experience was on Rottnest

As for parade ground stuff-ups, we once trained - as cadets - for hours and bludy hourse on the (bitumen) parade ground to be "perfect" for some parade in front of some dignitary or other, forget who, you couldn't look sideways to see him anyway lol - and come the day, discovered that Vic Barracks was a grass parade ground, no sound, no guiding beat, and of course no band - and we "exhibited all the timing of bull in a CHINA SHOP" as the RSM's tonsils balled out to us later , lol.

Rather than get side-tracked yet again, I was just trying to express (back there) what I'm sure many Vietnam RSL members still feel really strongly about today - and will take those scars to their grave.
The price for this war will never be known;
We all died a little;
And still more each day;
Betrayed by our country in this most dastardly way.

Shunned by the people;
Treated like dirt;
If only they knew how much we hurt
Gotta feeling those poems on the digger's thread are probably the best way to do it . They provide some of the empathy that was totally lacking in the populatoin back home - no empathy or sympathy whatsoever - and not helped by the fact that, with time, we, the nation, has been shown to be wrong to go there in the first place!!! I mean, we are now the best of mates with the Vietnamese Dragon we so denigrated and maligned and vilified back then.

Needless to say, - had we REALLY believed in the cause, i.e. a LEGITIMATE call to arms a la WWII - then does anyone doubt that , under THESE circumstances, we would have won? You can bet your bottom dollar we'd have won.

But it was all done with mirrors, and paranoia, and sold to us by the likes of LBJ (who took over the presidency, coincidentally, immediately after JFK refused to become so embroiled in Vietnam - just one of the theories and coincidences around his death).

That last poem for instance, is a cry from the heart yes? Not his fault that he was sent there etc - or that we lost - or that the history books had to be rewritten for once, no longer were we (USA/AUS) the victors, crossing out the bits about domino theory ( that were proven to be lies anyway) !!!

Art is such a powerful medium to communicate these emotions.

I went to two plays at Glen St Theatre about 12 or 18 months back, both based on war.
One concerned Aussie Nurses who were prisoners of war in Singapore (WWII)- something similar to Vivian Bullwinkel including (topically in the current press) sexual exploitation. Forget the name now, something about a tin flute, or tin whistle - where one lady “consented” to sex with the Japanese (blackmailed) to obtain medication for her seriously ill friend (who otherwise would die), and her friend never forgave her, such was the hatred of the prison administration.
Another was about the legacy of Vietnam and its effects on 5 women, who “experience” the Vietnam war and its many and varied facets - title something like “sunglasses, bullets and bikinis” (probably nothing like that, lol – best my memory can come up with). But very powerful drama, and that I can’t forget. – Many messages ranging from nurses who served - to press ladies , to wives who had to deal with their husbands who returned to them as stranger - to widows. (you almost felt the more sorrow for the one whose husband came home than for the widow - sheesh, how bad a scar is that!)

Anyway here’s another of those poems, something in keeping with (just one of the messages of) that second mentioned play.
 
There was a fantastic musical legacy of course Here's a couple to get the ball rolling ...

Honky tonk..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90wdzsTEFfM&mode=related&search= mike woollett at his honkytonk piano
kiss me goodnight sergeant major
its a long way to tip a rarie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYvrG7raZk8&NR=1 If you knew suzie ( Have A Party Medley)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykb-kCCLhrA&mode=related&search= maybe its becos Im a Londoner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Egihugiiw&mode=related&search= Make It A Party With Mike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3pkwiA5AHU&mode=related&search= lovely bunch of coconuts LIVE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q6XxfzaWGk&mode=related&search= show me the way to home LIVE!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHbcGeIilss Royal Sisters, Elizabeth and Margaret White Cliffs of Dover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPFjToKuZQM (more recent)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wODhokKRUtI&mode=related&search= It's A Long Way to Tipperary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXsG2HlC5RI bless em all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihhvZeADJMQ On the Road to Gundagai

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIva5JW5uqQ&mode=related&search= Vietnam War Montage - Goodnight Saigon

whilst this is strictly not a war song, still she was forced into prostitution during the war, and I guess represents the many civilians whose lives were "adversely" affected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_QABS88nDc&mode=related&search= Edith Piaf - Non je ne regrette rien

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbUOY0Rk1tA
 
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-poetry/ww1/ww1-a.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbUOY0Rk1tA

no song available on youtube sadly - but here's the words at least A BROWN SLOUCH HAT
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ry9NjJJDoU lilli marlene (german)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W0QtiL8s8Y&mode=related&search= Marlene Dietrich ('72) - ditto (english)

Recent song ... likewise with two versions ( as posted back there)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPSmrb82ocM&mode=related&search= Marlene Dietrich : Sag Mir Wo Die Blumen Sind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc9KHpi6hDc&mode=related&search= Marlene dietrich "where have all the flowers gone"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZtEBPq5-Ic Vera Lynn - I'm Yours Sincerely & We'll Meet Again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX0B38IgYK8&mode=related&search= ditto - complete with... "fireworks"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Wwwb0VTPI&mode=related&search= this is the army Mr Jones, Second World War WWII WW2 Vera Lynn Songs
 
comedy ( since the war) :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkz1ecxrQO4 'Allo 'Allo! Season1 Pilot (PART 1)
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query='allo+'allo (plenty more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_D7WtOHZd0&mode=related&search= Monty Python - Hitler in England

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6V2FU79ZS4 Dad's Army - The Deadly Attachment 3 (3-3) (a great episode )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyFNSKIgkFc Dad's Army
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dad's+army (heaps more)
 
medals and recognition

Aboriginals came home from WWII - and
a) not only couldn't vote ( insult #1) , but
b) weren't even included in the census , i.e. mean they didnt even exist !

Many came home and were suitably rewarded with recognition (Weary Dunlop eventually became Aussie of the year, deserved everything he got of course etc)

but say, "White Mouse" Nancy Wake was insulted by Aus by being ignored to the point where any recognition was an insult in itself (yet she is one of the most decorated people of WWII - by USA, France - but not by Aus etc etc .

She was born in NZ but moved to Aus at age of 2.
Here's an extract from Peter Fitzsimmons book "Nancy Wake" (attached).

LOL, while I'm at it, I'll quote from his Acknowledgements .. thanks editor etc etc uncle Tom Cobley and all...

"As to my wife , Lisa, I didn't marry her because when we met she was already recognised as one of this country's greatest editors, but in terms of our subsequent lives together, it certainly hasn't hurt

He has also put out books about Kokoda, and Tobruk, (and probably others).
Sue Ebury put out "Weary" - great story.

I wonder how many people know that Weary played Rugby (Union) - unusual for a Victorian, started playing in his 20's, played for the Wallabies 2 years later, and often played with a broken nose.

He deseved to be Aussie of the Year for that alone. (ps I wrote a poem about him in case anyone thinks I don't respect him - man was a giant )

Finally some humorous quotes overheard whilst watching the ABC TV coverage of the Sydney Anzac day march...(some Colonel lol - funny dude)

"and here's the parachute regiment ... never could understand them - jumping out of perfectly good aeroplanes "

"searchlight batteries, these days they use rechargeables I'm told"

"and here's the carrier pigeon service, those birds were great for avoiding interception, unless of course by an eagle " etc
 

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The first computer - how we won the war..
(Anyone read "Ultra Secret" by Winterbotham ? - you read that, you'd have to conclude we would have lost WWII without Bletchley Park. Heaps of good info on the web these days of course)
After the war, not only did no one mention this computer for 29 years, but they destroyed the computer. (just think, Bill Gaites and IBM were pipped to the post by a pom )
 

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PS Winterbotham :- "Let no one be fooled," Winterbotham admonishes in chapter 3, "by the spate of television films and propaganda which has made the war seem like some great triumphant epic. It was, in fact, a very narrow shave, and the reader may like to ponder [...] whether [...] we might have won [without] Ultra."
 

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