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What can we learn from Anzac day?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpRuKyksxks GOODNIGHT SAIGON Billy Joel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYJN-_veJ80 I was only nineteen by redgum is a classic aussie war song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbUOY0Rk1tA&mode=related&search= The Green Fields Of France by Dropkick Murphys
(beware this one has pretty gruesome photos )
 
I was only 19 (top song, so also billy joel's goodnight saigon imo)
I notice these clues to "understanding the lyrics " - just in case anyone doesn't know what a VB is for instance
 
there are two sides to every story -
or are there ???? (i.e. maybe just the same story in different languages)
(suggest you only need 30 secs of each to get the ghist - she aint that good a singer - unless of course you are over 85 lol)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc9KHpi6hDc Marlene Dietrich "where have all the flowers gone"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPSmrb82ocM&mode=related&search= Marlene Dietrich : Sag Mir Wo Die Blumen Sind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYii6nxhvUk PPM

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I was only 19 (top song, so also billy joel's goodnight saigon imo)
I notice these clues to "understanding the lyrics " - just in case anyone doesn't know what a VB is for instance
One of my all time favourites.

...and a very interesting thread. Thanks.
 
I was only 19 (top song, so also billy joel's goodnight saigon imo)
I notice these clues to "understanding the lyrics " - just in case anyone doesn't know what a VB is for instance

Hate Pucka (too hard to dig in), Cunungra is OK cause the Gold Coast is down the road, Shoalwater Bay is ordinary unless you get time to go to GKI, the Steyr is more accurate than than the SLR, but the SLR is better for drill, VB? , and if you don't know what ANZAC stands for! Please!

Thanks for the thread 2020.
 
I wonder how many young folk know what it means?

...and I wonder how many understand why they fought (as we sit by and let government progressively strip it away)
 
I wonder how many young folk know what it means? ...and I wonder how many understand why they fought (as we sit by and let government progressively strip it away)
- no argument from me wayne .

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/15524/15524.txt
a few of CJ Dennis's poems ... written after WWI of course
Interesting to compare the hero's reception that the WWI veterans received to the Vietnam boys.
 
If anyone is interested, the National Archives have opened up files from WWI - so you can research old rels who were there.

but be warned, a lot of people checking it out, (plus newspapers leading into Anzac Day) and might be better to check it our after that.

http://naa12.naa.gov.au
 
I'm gonna bore you folks, and repost something from the poetry thread
 

You do very good at bringing home the ANZAC story 2020h.Though the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps. came to name in ww1 it is from that moment on that a permanent `connection` has been formed with the "digger" and the defence of our friends and nation.My grand pa served from 1941-1945 in Australia and New Guinea and achieved corporal status.There are many kin who are in similar situation and feel the sorrow of loss and the happiness of victory.`Tis something not to be glorified in my opinion but remembered for the committment of a young nation in defence of life.

Thankyou 2020.
 
There are many kin who are in similar situation and feel the sorrow of loss and the happiness of victory.`Tis something not to be glorified in my opinion but remembered for the committment of a young nation in defence of life.
thanks wysiwyg ... the missus has several rels who were at Gallipoli... researching them makes fascinating reading. And more recent, I remember blokes coming back from 'Nam with the most incredible acne (seen to be believed). Agent Orange was no joke. As they say these days, when you tour 'Nam, you try to visit the countryside, without visiting too much of the herbicide

just playing with words here (thinking of Gallipoli, or maybe Flanders) ... maybe ...

"tis something to be horrified , yet glorified as well
those friends that were dismembered, I'll remember 'fore they fell
where victory and lunacy and courage raw and heart
and manliness and madness were but half an inch apart.

there's something to be honoured where your innards might rebel
when cannon fire and murder daily follow fall of shell
and faces blank in no man's land, look back towards their mates
who died out there some yesterday - and forecast future fates."

(poor bugas)
 
`Tis something not to be glorified in my opinion but remembered for the committment of a young nation in defence of life.
Thankyou 2020.


My apologies...too late to edit and it will read as `young nations in defence of life`.


And to put a spin on a movie quote...`what we do in life need NOT echo through eternity`
 
WAR – DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT THERE SONNY?.

Did I hear you right there sonny, you were saying as we marched
where is Martin Place’s dunny? pass the parchment? you were parched?
sorry son I’m hard of hearing, its my eardrums blown away,
into fear? or interfering?, in some war zone miles away.

Bloocher boots are great for marching don’t you think, or praps you don’t
hey they work ok on asphalt, - when you get in mud they won't
padre's prayers to help anoint us so we'd face some foe annoyed,
boys were all we were back then, my boy, with crazed young hopes were buoyed.

Mortified or mortar fired? canonised or blown apart?
bain of mankind , bayonets? have a heart or had a heart?
overhead heat seeking missiles ? missus back home seeking warm?
war the ugly side of humans ? peace the humane side of storm?

pass a round for Betsy here? naval guns or navel wound?
pass a round of Anzac beer? laughing mates or trigger tuned?
missile point or missed the point? nuclear future - no clear path?
Martha likes to sweep the joint? - who will sweep up "aftermath?"

...........
Tis something to be horrified , yet glorified as well
those friends that were dismembered, I'll remember 'fore they fell
where victory and lunacy and courage raw and heart
and manliness and madness were but half an inch apart.

there's something to be honoured where your innards might rebel
when cannon fire and murder daily follow fall of shell
and faces blank in no man's land, look back towards their mates
who died out there some yesterday - and forecast future fates.

............
In the end my boy you ask yourself this little question here (while)
we share this Anzac medal called "a blood-oath promised beer"
this question's all important son, please try to understand...

is the aussie in the warzone? or the warzone in the man?
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1900752.htm Rare Gallipoli footage uncovered

Interesting that this is the same Ellis Ashmead-Bartlett that I found on the "diggers' website" , post #27 , who was so complimentary about Anzac soldiers I was trying to find the film on the web , but no joy as yet , maybe after Anzac day I guess.

PS I guess I could have slipped another verse in back there, words of a hypothetical old digger (or recent young digger I guess).

was it all about the battlements, or what the battle meant?
were we simply sheep or cattle, (yet both hell and heaven sent )
was it valid or invalid, now that invalids are left
or the stuff of folklore ballad, and the law of folk bereft.

In the end my boy you ask yourself this little question here
(while) we share this Anzac medal called "a blood-oath promised beer"
this question's all important son, please try to understand...
is the aussie in the warzone? or the warzone in the man?
 
You marching 2020?

I'll be amongst 4 Bde in Melbourne heading to the Shrine.
 
You marching 2020?
I'll be amongst 4 Bde in Melbourne heading to the Shrine.
I'm not, kennas - I never left Aus shores - just another nasho called up towards the end of the Vietnam days
I try to get to the dawn service in Sydney. Good luck to you though.

My dad was in Darwin during the war, (Air Force) - died 50 odd years ago from a melanoma - maybe I could line up with them

PS The Last Post is good, but the bugle music I really like is the Retreat - full orchestral version.

PS Found this in case anyone's interested in orgins of the Anzac Dawn Service :-
http://www.anzacday.org.au/education/tff/dawn.html

PS As I mentioned before , you want a heated debate over an Anzac beer, throw in that one about Bunyin's poem's actual words " Age shall not weary them nor the years contemn "
i.e. "contemn" makes more sense - the years treat us all with contempt, we age, we grow old

however, "condemn " strictly means to judge , and I don't think that anyone wants to judge the diggers harshly

As I also said somewhere , "only a pedant wowser would even argue about it - and who would wish wowserism on a digger on Anzac Day "
 
oops Binyon
http://www.firstworldwar.com/poetsandprose/binyon.htm
http://www.anzacs.org/fallen.html


FOR THE FALLEN
Laurence Binyon (1869-1943)

With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.

Solemn the drums thrill; Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres,
There is music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted;
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them
.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables of home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.[/quote]
 
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