Whaling, what's your thoughts?

[visual]

Re: Whaling, whats your thoughts?

Your statement beggars more study on the subject.
It takes WAY more grain to feed the livestock than if we were to just eat/store the grain itself.
Look I'll cut a long and interesting discussion short. It boils down to whether you give a **** or not about other beings BOTTOM LINE. If you take that seriously, you wont eat other beings.

If you look at one of my previous posts,I did say how fish should be killed more humanely,so dont lump me with your own projection.

Maybe animals eat feed,but they provide not only meat but also leather,and other valuable products,such as fertilizers,where will these things come from? More plants needing more water.My point still stands should one year the plants fail,there would be no alternative.Look at the banana situation or the sugar problem,one a natural disaster the other a bug.Anyway as I`ve said before if people just left the Japanese alone,they would probably lose interest in killing whales.

 

[Ants]

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Again Your statement beggars more study on the subject
Please do not take offence. It is not my intention I am sure you are a caring human being. But It is actually a WASTE of resources to grow livestock. I would be here a while to explain it all to you and I dislike typing. So please read up on the subject. It is interesting and enlightening.

Anyway as I`ve said before if people just left the Japanese alone,they would probably lose interest in killing whales.

I think this is an interesting idea one worth a thought and debate.
But they have always done it (harpooning) It is barbaric and why should anyone sit aside and watch another AMAZING creature/being be slaughtered in the name of 'tradition' while they "get over it". There are no simple answers when arguing the grey areas just one truth and that is that these animals ARE dying LENGTHY PAINFUL MOURNFUL DEATHS.
And if people want to get out there and do something about it then more power to them!
and yes the media SUCK.

 

[wayneL]

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http://www.earthsave.org/environment/foodchoices.htm

 

[Ants]

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Thanks for that link Wayne. Education is a grand thing.

peace and respect to visual

 

[visual]

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Anyway as I`ve said before if people just left the Japanese alone,they would probably lose interest in killing whales.

Ants,when I wrote that I meant it in reference to the fact that the Japanese are in fact storing the meat,not only that, they are trying to introduce it to school children,presumably to influence their choices later in life.So if people stopped all this pressure probably the practice would`ve already have been in the past.

 

[kgee]

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Bottom line I dont give a F*** about whales and these types of politics....
To me there are bigger problems in our society that need addressing

A little plug for father o riley and his "youth off the streets " programme...now here is someone passionate about making the world a better place and I'd imagine one day of his work is much more beneficial than saving a couple of whales

excuse my potty mouth but "middle class" politics annoy the hell out of me

 

[visual]

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Wayne ,interesting article,
however lately the media has been paying a lot of attention to China,and the thing that really stikes me is how they just want to be like the rest of the western world,well they keep mentioning America and the choices available to Americans.A lot of these problems are brought about by people wanting to be alike,logic doesnt seem to come into the argument really.Imagine if logic played a part in people decision making,obesity would be a self explanatory problem,polution also,instead mention to someone that you have a small car because you really dont need a big car and they will point out ,that to buy a small car costs the same as a family car

In fact in one of the programs a chinese person mentioned having these choices made him unique,and here I was thinking that the chinese were unique,he didnt seem to understand that his choices was making him the same.

 

[wayneL]

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Wayne ,interesting article,
however lately the media has been paying a lot of attention to China,and the thing that really stikes me is how they just want to be like the rest of the western world,well they keep mentioning America and the choices available to Americans.A lot of these problems are brought about by people wanting to be alike,logic doesnt seem to come into the argument really.Imagine if logic played a part in people decision making,obesity would be a self explanatory problem,polution also,instead mention to someone that you have a small car because you really dont need a big car and they will point out ,that to buy a small car costs the same as a family car

In fact in one of the programs a chinese person mentioned having these choices made him unique,and here I was thinking that the chinese were unique,he didnt seem to understand that his choices was making him the same.

Agree!

Interesting species the ol' Home Sapien

 

[wayneL]

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It's interesting where these threads end up LOL

 

[crackaton]

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Yea, some eat: snails, snakes, guinea pigs, frogs, dogs, horses, pigeons, at the same time when some are disgusted with the practise.

Some eat rats, but during Beijing Olympic Games, rat-serving restaurants will be closed or will not serve rat meat due to possible negative publicity.

Hey just eat a four and twenty pie or some dim sims. Bound to be a bit of rat in them lol

 

[Sean K]

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Specialties in East Timor are all the three letter animals: cat, rat, bat, and dog. All served at 'special' functions, usually satay style. Not tasty.

 

[Rafa]

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In my opinion, the 'humane' killing of animals is just a way to ease our conscience... i.e. i think the term is doctors wives syndrome!

i mean, you are still killing an animal.... you either eat animals or you don't!!!


If we are ok with eating animals, which I am, then i think in Oz, we should all eat Kangaroos, they don't need 'feed' as in grain, they just eat the wild grasses!!!

Other option is the wild / or game meat...

very tasty too....

this cattle issues you raise in the article wayne, is the more the result of 'commercial' harvesting of cows for beef!

 

[Stan 101]

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of course, you could always get the same feeling with a trout

I'm yet to see a pod of 10 metre long trout :

 

[The Mint Man]

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Dried dog food.

Julia

this isnt tha three word story thread :

 

[Staybaker]

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Bottom line I dont give a F*** about whales and these types of politics....
To me there are bigger problems in our society that need addressing

A little plug for father o riley and his "youth off the streets " programme...now here is someone passionate about making the world a better place and I'd imagine one day of his work is much more beneficial than saving a couple of whales

excuse my potty mouth but "middle class" politics annoy the hell out of me

Hey, do you know what "annoys the hell out of me"? It's people who respond to an argument or discussion with a statement such as "Who cares about problem A? Problem B is much worse!"

The logical conclusion to this mode of thinking is that only one problem at a time would be addressed by mankind - even assuming that everyone could agree on which problem was the worst! The fact is, there are six billion of us on this planet, so surely it's better for everyone if people divide their attention and address the problems that they each, individually, think are worthwhile? (I think this is called a "market".)

If you really think that the problem of whaling is not worth addressing, then give your reasons. But just interrupting a discussion to point out another problem that you think is more worthwhile doesn't really help.

Regards, Staybaker.

 

[kgee]

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imo perspective and priorites are of some importance...so once again whales aren't high on my priority list

 

[The Mint Man]

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The logical conclusion to this mode of thinking is that only one problem at a time would be addressed by mankind - even assuming that everyone could agree on which problem was the worst! The fact is, there are six billion of us on this planet, so surely it's better for everyone if people divide their attention and address the problems that they each, individually, think are worthwhile?

:iagree:
well said.

Knee,
I totaly agree with your comments on father o riley, i watched a doco on him once... very interesting. However as I said above i agree with what staybaker said.

cheers

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Re: Whaling, whats your thoughts?

Bottom line I dont give a F*** about whales and these types of politics....
To me there are bigger problems in our society that need addressing

A little plug for father o riley and his "youth off the streets " programme...now here is someone passionate about making the world a better place and I'd imagine one day of his work is much more beneficial than saving a couple of whales

excuse my potty mouth but "middle class" politics annoy the hell out of me

Well said!

 

[Happy]

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Just remembered, off topic, but still on killing.

Somebody ‘smart’ came up with an argument against draconian measures against polio, malaria, tuberculosis and all other types of bacteria and viruses.

Very crafty argument, as animals, plants and everything else is part of our eco system.

If we successfully kill the influenza, we might also kill chance of good seasonal workout for our immune system.

 

[Happy]

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ABC July 25, 2006.

Japan reports high rate of pregnancy in hunted whales

A Japanese Government report has revealed that 70 per cent of whales killed by the Japanese whaling fleet in the Antarctic over summer were pregnant.
The report reveals that 224 of the 391 minke females and two endangered fin whales killed in the hunt were pregnant.
Nicola Beynon from Humane Society International (HSI) says they also have evidence that the mammals were killed in Australian waters.
"Approximately 90 per cent of all the whales killed in [the] Antarctic were killed within the Australian whale sanctuary and if we can get the whaling stopped that would have a massive dent in the overall hunt," she said.
"Japan is blatant - they openly admit to killing whales in Australian waters, that Australia considers to be its own territorial waters and has declared a whale sanctuary".
HSI will take the Japanese whaling company to the Federal Court in October, hoping for the so-called scientific research cull to be stopped.

Looks that saying: ‘killing two birds with one stone’ can be applied to aquatic life too,

And maybe saying is OK for other animals too, as apparently whales originated in water, ventured out on the land and went back to water.
There is some debate going how did the nasal opening go past eyes, but this is different story again.