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Western society is doomed


You all realise that Tizzie was just being sarcastic don't you ? Just a bit of 'armless d(t)rollery dressed up in delibrately ridiculous imperialism?
All sucked in arn't you now ? What do you believe ? What do you want to believe ? What should you believe ? What do we take "seriously" ?

What do we let slide as a bad joke ?

What do we laugh at nervously or otherwise ?

What do we call out ?
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By the way Tisme you are dead wrong in your denial of the British in slave trading, Opium running and running concentration camps in South Africa. I would have guessed that someone as well read as you would realise that so your denials or misdirection pose some interesting questions.
 

My memory of ME history is a bit hazy, but the hey days of ancient Egypt and Babylon/Persia was taken over by the Greeks following Alexander.

Alexander's generals divvy up the empire, mixing themselves in among the barbarians to such an extend that it soon became hard to tell what's Greek and what's native in, say, Ptolemy's Egypt.

So lots of M/E science and knowledge was mixed in with Greeks... until Rome burned and salted Carthage [modern day Libya?] to gain supremacy over the Mediterranean. Moved to Alexandria, burnt that great library, took Greek's science and myth blah blah.

These were some 7 centuries or more before Muhammad was called to the mountain. And by my understanding, Islam "unite" the Middle East and ruled it with love, kindness and no doubt a crap load of operation liberation freedom civilising missions until all either believe in Muhammad or pay higher taxes.

So science, progress and stuff flourished under Islam during its days of empire and being that indispensable, God-fearing state.


Every country control its people by religion. In Western countries, God is often separated from Church but some still managed to bring back the good old days. That and they have a better god with a more powerful religion: Money and freedom to plunder and exploit.
 
An example of Western decline:

Trump on Puerto Rico: It's surrounded by water, big water, sea water.

Though the fact that two comedians can laugh at the emperor and still not disappeared... there's some hope.

 

The problem with regurgitating the past to suit an argument are the factors many of us, blessed with vast knowledge and balance, are all too well aware of, especially students of Darwin. When you parade fiction dressed up as fact you are displaying your bias for all the world to see, albeit disguised behind a facade of self interest. These are critical issues that must be addressed in marketing:

Firstly you must make the distinctions between truth, expectations and falsehoods. Our brains are wired for political bias and we can't do anything to rid ourselves of tribal bias, which is the core question being posed by WayneL and his concern for the terminal condition of our once great culture

To go back in history to prove the present is a great way to apply personal bias'. In marketing you/we must accommodate these bias' and be aware that frequency often gazumps probability:


1) age bias
2) gender bias
3) Over confidence bias (something I'm not susceptible to)
4) Rationalsim
5) Hindsight bias
6) Fallacious Conjunctions
7) Base rate fallacy
8) Racial, ethnic and cultural bias

Maslow's theory aside, one of the biggest drivers for arguing the toss when confronted with a superior protagonist is heuristics, where we assume something that agrees with our point of view is much more valid than something we know nothing or little of. When heuristic boundaries are encountered in an argument generality often replaces specificity.

The fallback is to recognition of names, places, trauma, etc. Often that heuristic single minded point of view has a truer decision merit than Bayes theorem or the multiple points of evidence that the Perry Mason people would use to prove their own intransigent point of view.

As has been proven time and time again on this forum, I have a solid heuristic core that is predicated on fact and nothing but the facts. After relentlessly asking for proof of argument using facts, the score so far is Tisme: 1,347 Others: Zip. My record rests on its own merits and I rest my case.
 

Brought back memories of uni days where I would open a textbook, read to the third paragraph and realise I have no idea what the egghead was on about.

I thought Maslow was on about the hierarchy of needs. He talks about biases too?

I would have to fire up Google to translate your, somewhat insightful, essay there. But it's too early for that, the coffee haven't kicked in yet. Which reminds me, gotta buy proper Woolies Select coffee and milk, this Asian pre-packed mix of "coffee" and white powder won't do.
 

Remember that knowledge is power my son.

Maslow's hierarchy is marketing 101 and as is a mouthful of word speak like "early adopters", "target market' etc. Real marketing, as opposed to it's reincarnation in recent years as an arts degree, is about mathematics, datasets, human behaviour, products and services, manipulation, and all those "isms" and models.

Necessarily, human decision making is described in terms similar in complexity to why vegemite is a standout when compared to marmite and promite..... some things (and some of use) are just irrefutably correct.
 

C'on, knowledge is not power.
Money and gunpowder is power.
You, being English, should know that better than most.

Knowledge that leads to money can be said to be power. But only once it produces money. Before the cash comes in, it's just an idiot being irresponsible with his time where real smart people work 9 to 5, earn $100K a year and "owns" 3 properties, a BMW and take annual holidays overseas.

Knowledge itself, for its own sake, is only for amusement on internet forums.

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Yea, real marketing can be all that fancy maths, data analysis, quality products and services... That or gunboats and a Marshall Plan.
 
Has there been a 100 year period where our culture hasn't significantly changed?

But dude, change was necessary in the olden days when things were bad. In today's modern world, who needs change when we have things are great as they are.

Just look at today's effeminate girly men and wanting equality, helping their wive with child rearing and domestic housework. prffff... going down the tube this place. Gonna be taken over by the Chinese and Arabs who do real manly stuff and beats all their wives, without alcohol too!
 

Correction I'm an Australphobe who concedes, perhaps begrudgingly, that the Brits are the reason for the rule of law, for the industrial revolution, for the innovation revolution, for commerce, for whiteman's rule, and for Australia as we knew it a few years back before imported arcane perversion grew legs and took over our social and political must needs.

We have become a pussy nation of bleeding hearts where the comfort of the few social 'tards is more important than the mob.

One thing remains constant:

 
Great article in the Oz today,I don't share Matt Ridleys' optimism.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/8de1283fe163dcccc2d68b3cf7f1408a


His blog is a good read:

 

Australphobe? So you dislike or loathe Australia? tut tut.

Are you trying to pull a Chinese with all that claims about British innovation and white goodness?

What else was left out in them innovation and civilising burden? The list is way too long we're lucky the Indians and Arabs invented the proper numerals instead of sticking to Roman Numerals widely used across its former colonies

And no, the first rule of law was the Code of Hammurabi, in Babylon around 1700 before God sent his one and only son - Superman Followed by other culture, probably China with the LEGALIST starting with Lord Shang around 800BCE. That's some 800 years before the first Caesar got bored of conquering most of the civilised world and decided to take a boat ride over the channel to collect a few savages to the collection.

Might surprised you that most of the mob are fine with gays and their having equal rights.
 

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Of course the Brits gave us the rule of law and parliaments. Why is it whenever someone loses an argument they resort to an irrelevant primitive history for precedence.

Britain was the greatest empire there ever was and it sponged on every culture it seconded to make it and its possessions enriched with the cross pollination of ideas and skills that make up modern societies around the world. The political, technological, industrial, labour and innovation revolutions were all born out of Britain, forget about ground rhinoceros horn and shark fin soup, and get onboard with the smart folk.
 

I never liked Yorkshire puddings or dumplings much though.

As for warm beer, well ...
 
Our government and institutions have to have the balls to stand up to this sort of cultural imperialism, or we will be forced under.

Australia's universities are failing to protect free speech



If Chinese students enter into this sort of subversive activity they should be thrown out, and not have their fees refunded. It's disgraceful.
 
The political, technological, industrial, labour and innovation revolutions were all born out of Britain,
?????

Gunpowder ? *Where's the 'Empire without that?
Copernicus ? *see above
Galileo ? *see above
The Renaissance? *Does life imitate art or visa v
The enlightenment? *see above...
Double Entry book keeping? *Wedgwood would have gone broke without it.
etc,etc
FFS!
You can see along way when you stand on the shoulders of giants... Even over the Channel.

The above are but one, more or less from the 'west'. City states of the Continent.
And it's a big swim from Britain to pick up Tom Payne's 'Rights of Man' hot off the press.
Plenty of Witch burning going on all over the place at that time as well. A practice Tony Abbot, Alan Jones and pack of other commercially microphoned mental midgets would be all to happy to re-instate as a town square entertainment.
A little bit of looking further afield on education might address what seem some deficiency's here.
May I suggest Worlds best practice the Finish model.
 


Once again you are relying on primitives to bolster an argument about modern industrialised society.

Who cares that China managed to make some cracker black powder. The first real use of "gunpowder" was by the Brits against Calais in the 14 century.

Copernicas, Galilleo, Victa lawn mowers and hills hoists all great discoveries, but pale in the face of the sheer mass of British enterprise, protestantism, and cando.
 

Fighting words from a country that was a sunny day's away from being a colony of Spain, then France, then Nazi Germany.

Btw, aren't the Poms pretty much the bastard child of French's Normandy?
 
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