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I hope i can answer your questain Dora Once the PIF becomes listed it then becomes sort of a company we are then share holders of that company The board will have full control how it is run share holders do not have a say on right issues etc etc But are given first choice to buy extra shares if they which toI've attached an article from yesterdays GC. I think the last part of it (copied below) explains the rights issue we have been warned about, is this right? Can you tell me if the PIF is listed, would we have a say whether or not more capital could be raised in this way?
"LLA's stapled securities fell 0.2c to 4.6c yesterday but were still well up on the 4c rights issue price which formed the central plank in the recapitalisation plan. The issue, underwritten by Arctic, raised $100 million but it was largely shunned by LLA's existing security-holders. Many of them would still be shell-shocked by the massive drop in value of their holdings since the demise of MFS, which saw their investment in LLA fall from above $1 last year to a low of 3.3c. Original security-holders now own about 10 per cent of the group."
I've attached an article from yesterdays GC. I think the last part of it (copied below) explains the rights issue we have been warned about, is this right? Can you tell me if the PIF is listed, would we have a say whether or not more capital could be raised in this way?
"LLA's stapled securities fell 0.2c to 4.6c yesterday but were still well up on the 4c rights issue price which formed the central plank in the recapitalisation plan. The issue, underwritten by Arctic, raised $100 million but it was largely shunned by LLA's existing security-holders. Many of them would still be shell-shocked by the massive drop in value of their holdings since the demise of MFS, which saw their investment in LLA fall from above $1 last year to a low of 3.3c. Original security-holders now own about 10 per cent of the group."
Wellington Investor Update 9/5/08 :-
Price payable by Wellington for purchasing all the shares in Octaviar Investment Management (which holds 4 other funds beside PIF) is -
4 x actual profit of OIM for the 12 months following the acquisition PLUS the value of the net tangible assets of OIM at the end of the 12 months.
Profit will be ZERO (taking into account all the funds as well as brought forward losses).
Value of Net tangible assets....hhhmmmmm.....what assets will be left and who values them ?? Also, the bank loan (that JH told everyone during her roadshow would be repaid by August), balance remaining has been refinanced. That should nicely offset any tangible asset values.
I will check with WC again Gazzan, I was given that info a couple of weeks ago. It was something to do with a time frame of when creditors had to have had lodged the claims.It seems that if in the event that OCV don't have the PTQ removed as trustee and put an end to the wind-up action, they will go into voluntary liquidation. This being the case, OCV will recognize the total amount of PIF debt.
I hope i can answer your questain Dora Once the PIF becomes listed it then becomes sort of a company we are then share holders of that company The board will have full control how it is run share holders do not have a say on right issues etc etc But are given first choice to buy extra shares if they which to
Yes i know just what your thinking ////////////
Ranch I know that they are bought & sold just lilke shares You know a lot of folk still call shares units too They are not sold in parcels anymore you can buy if you wish just one only unit or as many as you like now days And sell the same way as long as there is a buyer & a seller ////////////If we list on the ASX or NSX, we list as an income fund not as "a sort of company" and the sellers' parcels are shown as units (which they are!) and not shares. There are many, many IFs listed on the ASX (in a separate area to shares) and a few on the NSX. Holding a majority of units does not mean you can take over the IF.
The opening unit price would be what the sellers are offering followed by hargy-bargy as to what the buyers are prepared to pay (just like shares). Simple dimple.
Rance
Yes k.smith, the PIF is being independently audited at the present time and a detailed report of the results will be presented hopefully before the end of Sept. I am not positive if it is PWC conducting the current audit. SeamistyHas anyone heard anymore information about the PWC audit, are they still working on it? And what of the PTQ comeback.....any ideas ?
If we list on the ASX or NSX, we list as an income fund not as "a sort of company" and the sellers' parcels are shown as units (which they are!) and not shares. There are many, many IFs listed on the ASX (in a separate area to shares) and a few on the NSX. Holding a majority of units does not mean you can take over the IF.
The opening unit price would be what the sellers are offering followed by hargy-bargy as to what the buyers are prepared to pay (just like shares). Simple dimple.
Rance
...There are many, many IFs listed on the ASX (in a separate area to shares) and a few on the NSX. Holding a majority of units does not mean you can take over the IF.
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And what of the PTQ comeback.....any ideas ?
Thanks Seamisty You say maybe get the report at the end of Sept. Bloody Hell thats after the big VOTE is taken I can smell a rat its not right i want to know before the vote The unit holders out there are all given a one sided (WC side) in all this mail out Hoping we will all swallow it all Most probelly will sadly Except the ones that think with there heads CHEERS ///////Yes k.smith, the PIF is being independently audited at the present time and a detailed report of the results will be presented hopefully before the end of Sept. I am not positive if it is PWC conducting the current audit. Seamisty
Thanks Great Dame and Jadel. I think a rights issue is a concern.
In response to the above quote:
The corporations act says you only need a 50% vote to replace the RE so I'd say holding a majority of units would mean you can take over the fund.
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