Wellington Capital PIF/Octaviar (MFS) PIF

rmstrader · 26 May 2011

thekids said:
OMG well said DepressedDad & keep the info flowing Seamisty. This site is for people with shares in PIF, pity we can't keep outsiders OUT.

DepressedDads - no I am not a unit holder in PIF unfortunately I was a shareholder in MFS when Michael King sent it to the bottom of the sea. So while there is a connect there that it. I have also not mad a comment either way about PIF other then to say the it is up to the unit holder to make the right decision for then- I am in no way involved in the process, don't want to be. I am a small shareholder in my own right in G8 Education this I have previously stated - my comments to Seamisty have been about not misrepresenting the facts. In the old footy saying - play the ball not the man! what has G8 got to do with PIF other then Jenny Hudson is a NON executive director.

simgrund · 26 May 2011

astevo said:
It seems there is an unfortunate coincidence, and some confusion between the name used by a forum member and another entity (and nicknames given to it).

I'd like to thank "ASICK" for his/her knowledgable and insightful contributions.

ASIC on the other hand, (and I'm sure this is the entity that Simgrund was referring to as A'sick) has thoroughly deserved my/our condemnation.

cheers! (in 3 weeks!)

- Alan.

Yes Alan, you're on the button with ASIC plume de nom of A'SICk.
I meant no derogation to member's forum name who I suspect may have been on the same track.
That of displaying personal displeasure with this less than august body.
We are still waiting for their progress in $147.5 m recovery action.
So forgive this unintended confusion and bouques to ASICK for valuable feedbacks.

In contrition,

NOR · 26 May 2011

: Wellington Capital PIF/Octaviar (MFS

rmstrader said:
Seamsity - Who every your are, I can see that your dissemination of information is not based on providing helpful commercial investment information. It is at best a misguided approach that is based on some malicious personal intent and vendetta.
I have already asked for a response on another blog “G8 Education” regarding the validity of what I suspect is defamatory – unsubstantiated letter, that is not on the company’s letterhead that it is suppose to be from and is not even signed. In spite of two requests you have not been forthcoming in providing a response, why?
Now I note that with contempt your misinformation above.
Point 1.
Jenny Hudson is not the “CEO of G8 Education” Mr. Craig Chapman is – you can’t even get a basic thing like this right. Jenny Hudson is not even an executive of the company!
Point 2.
Upon reading your next statement re the death of the child “attending on the Cherie Hearts centre” I have been advised that the child passed away not at the centre. Interesting point – this centre is a franchise centre under the control and management of the Cherie Hearts management and was before G8 Education had even made the takeover offer. I am not sure if you are trying to imply that the Cherie Hearts team was somehow responsible.
My company was for some 10 years a corporate sponsor of one of the leading Australian SIDS foundations (sudden infant death syndrome) and until recently I was an advisors board member. I have seen the anguish that this causes and it is devastating. You are using a sad situation – that the parents of the child are on record as saying that this is a “private matter” and ”wish to be left alone in their grief” to pursue some perverted and bitter goal. It appears that you understand all about gutter tactics – because that where you appear to be working from.
Your logo of the “shark” is fitting for you. I hope you have the gust to apologies to all concern.
I intend to lodge a formal complaint with the site managers, ASX and ASIC regarding your postings.

You are a disgrace to use the circumstance of the death of a child in this manner.

ASICK · 26 May 2011

rmstrader said:
ASICK - I appreciated your previous post which I will respond to but don't preach to someone when you don't know or understand their circumstances. If this person wants to help people then don't do it by bagging and misrepresenting the facts. If this person is trying to help people involved with PIF - then why the "attack" on G8 Education??

My focus is not "very much focused with SIDS in complete indifference to the anguish suffered by members of the PIF" This is a foolish unmeasured quote. At least the people of PIF have some hope - whether it is with their current management team or if they choose to vote otherwise with someone else. I hope they make the right decisions for themselves - at least they have some hope - I was a shareholder of MFS I had no say in it when Michael King sent it down to tubs and I got ZERO. everyone....stick to the facts stop playing the man and ASICK do your want to stick your other foot in your mouth. Poor attack and poor form! RMStrader.

touchy aren't you? - arrogant too - but 'playing the man'? I guess I was - as you now do to me - strike up the band, and if you can take your feet out of your mouth, we'll goose step down the avenue together.

rmstrader · 26 May 2011

seamisty said:
At no time did I ever intend to cause further grief to the families concerned. I sincerely apologise to any I may have offended. Jenny Hutson is not the CEO, sorry she is non executive director, chairperson and a sustantial holder in G8.
My post said 'relating to the death of a child attending one of the Cherie Hearts centres under G8 management' In hindsight I should have said who attended.

The unfortunate incident occured on the 14th April 2011. G8 made an announcement to the ASX on the 19 April 2011 which stated 'the Cherie Hearts Group International PTE LTD is not directly involved in operating the Cherie Hearts childcare centres and primarily acts as a holding company for the vendor' http://www.hotcopper.com.au/asx_announcements.asp?id=292510 I assumed this meant that G8 was still in control of operating all the CH childcare centres they had previously aquired in Dec 2010??

I have the required documents substaniating my posts which I will provide to any or all of the above. Good luck with getting a response from ASIC! Sorry I did not respond to your posts on the GEM thread, I was not aware of them.
I have earnt my 'logo' and am proud of it. Seamisty

Seamisty - I have no don't that you are attempting to assist people that share your opinion with hoe you should deal with PIF and as I have said the will of the unit holders I believe will be made know in some forthcoming vote - but here it is what has this got to do with G8 Education?

Your apology is well place to any of the families involved, but yet you continued to REPEAT the same accusations. If I can find out from G8 Education the real story inside leaving a message and getting a comment one hour later surely you could - ESPECIALLY given the gravity of the statement. "The unfortunate incident occured on the 14th April 2011" (the dead of a child) as you have stated, did not occur at a a Cherie Hearts centre - it happened at the child's home! yet you still want to pass comment on another angle implying that ... ho well if G8 have said they run and own the Cherie Hearts franchise centers it must be their fault. I don't know how you are getting this information or who is feeding you this rubbish - but it is wrong and misleading muck racking.

Please I would suggest that you retract your statement and focus your efforts on PIF - I would not post the documents that you have. I have late today been advised by G8 Education that if you wish further evidence of what I have told you they have said they will post a written statement. Get your facts right and play the ball not the man in your fight with PIF. rmstrader

ASICK · 26 May 2011

I just went to hot copper and note that Seamisty has posted 'my information is that', then comment re: child death. It's more than fair comment to press for the source of the 'information' in the circumstances, and since the matter was raised on ASF, perhaps it should be settled on ASF.

This matter seems to be more about G8 than PIF and it seems that's why our new found friend has appeared on scene.

To keep the tread on topic, I'll ignore any further witticisms from him/her (including the one posted immediately after this posting).

rmstrader · 26 May 2011

ASICK said:
touchy aren't you? - arrogant too - but 'playing the man'? I guess I was - as you now do to me - strike up the band, and if you can take your feet out of your mouth, we'll goose step down the avenue together.

How original - arguing throw away lines from criticism leveled at you. Whose the touchy one???

simgrund · 26 May 2011

rmstrader said:
Seamisty - I have no don't that you are attempting to assist people that share your opinion with hoe you should deal with PIF and as I have said the will of the unit holders I believe will be made know in some forthcoming vote - but here it is what has this got to do with G8 Education?

Your apology is well place to any of the families involved, but yet you continued to REPEAT the same accusations. If I can find out from G8 Education the real story inside leaving a message and getting a comment one hour later surely you could - ESPECIALLY given the gravity of the statement. "The unfortunate incident occured on the 14th April 2011" (the dead of a child) as you have stated, did not occur at a a Cherie Hearts centre - it happened at the child's home! yet you still want to pass comment on another angle implying that ... ho well if G8 have said they run and own the Cherie Hearts franchise centers it must be their fault. I don't know how you are getting this information or who is feeding you this rubbish - but it is wrong and misleading muck racking.

Please I would suggest that you retract your statement and focus your efforts on PIF - I would not post the documents that you have. I have late today been advised by G8 Education that if you wish further evidence of what I have told you they have said they will post a written statement. Get your facts right and play the ball not the man in your fight with PIF. rmstrader

Hello rmstrader,
I wish to intrude but only in a role of a peacemaker.
There are many on this thread who recall with anguish previous suspensions of this thread.
At fault were exactly the type of exchanges starting to heat up here.
That was terrible and it took real perseverance to return to this stage of informed exchanges.
You probably realise that the good news spread on this thread
is, literally, life-saving.
Please help us maintain this by simply providing the corrective information for benefit of those you feel need to read it to change their perceptions.
We can do it without destructive consequences.
I sympathise with your losses in MFS.
PIF group too has a grievance against those very same Directors.
Hopefully ASIC - initiated legal action will punish them.
Best wishes to you,
simgrund

seamisty · 26 May 2011

Hi all, Sorry about the controversy generated by my G8 post. We all know that we have bigger issues at stake here and I refuse to risk blowing something out of proportion further than is already evident so I am not prepared to comment on the issue again. From past experience we know how valuable this thread is as a communication point, we also know how easy it is to lose it and that there will be attempts made to have us shut down. Everyone has their own agenda, ours at present is to achieve a better outcome for the PIF than what we are currently experiencing so lets move forward and concentrate on achieving that better outcome!! Seamisty

selciper · 26 May 2011

Please let's concentrate on the main task at hand - the EGM. Life is complicated enough at present where PIF is concerned without debating the moral merits or otherwise of certain posts. Keep away from minefields!

Mutchy · 26 May 2011

simgrund said:
Hence the real need to secure Independent Observer entity.

Regards,

Hi Simgrund.
Computershare will be providing the personnel to register proxies at the EGM and will be providing independent observers and auditors for checking and tallying the proxies.
The proxies, if any, lodged with Armstrong will have to be presented to Computershare personnel for the tally at the meeting. A poll will be called for each motion.
Steve Mutch
Hon Sec PIF Ag Inc.

simgrund · 26 May 2011

Mutchy said:
Hi Simgrund.
Computershare will be providing the personnel to register proxies at the EGM and will be providing independent observers and auditors for checking and tallying the proxies.
The proxies, if any, lodged with Armstrong will have to be presented to Computershare personnel for the tally at the meeting. A poll will be called for each motion.
Steve Mutch
Hon Sec PIF Ag Inc.

Relieved to hear it. Thanks Steve.
I am sending a proxy, as well as trek down south for the day.
See you again soon,

seamisty · 26 May 2011

k.smith said:
I have sent my vote by FAX...as per the yellow form..

"alternatively you can FAX your form to 61 3 9473 2145"

if you are faxing from Melbourne, just fax to 9473 2145

if you are faxing from another state, you will need to put the area code,
so 03 9473 2145

the 61 is there for overseas votes...

You can verify that Computershare have received your vote by calling them. (I did)

ksmith please post the number that you called Computershare on to verify your vote as I have had several enquiries from voters wanting confirmation of receipt. Thanks, Seamisty

k.smith · 26 May 2011

seamisty said:
ksmith please post the number that you called Computershare on to verify your vote as I have had several enquiries from voters wanting confirmation of receipt. Thanks, Seamisty

Ph: 1300 567 148

It is a Computershare number, mentioned on the yellow proxy form itself and is esp. for the PIF.

You will need to quote your ID number , which is the ten digit number starting with the letter C on the right-hand side of the YELLOW PROXY FORM.

seamisty · 26 May 2011

k.smith said:
Ph: 1300 567 148

It is a Computershare number, mentioned on the yellow proxy form itself and is esp. for the PIF.

You will need to quote your ID number , which is the ten digit number starting with the letter C on the right-hand side of the YELLOW PROXY FORM.

Thanks ksmith, will pass it on. Does anyone know what the go is for using 1300 numbers from overseas? Seamisty

JohnH · 26 May 2011

seamisty said:
Thanks ksmith, will pass it on. Does anyone know what the go is for using 1300 numbers from overseas? Seamisty

Found this on the internet:-
"a customer may call you using your 1300 number if the country that they are calling you from accepts the call.

This will depend entirely on that countries telephone network. If the call is accepted by the overseas network the customer will be charged accordingly as per that network's fees.

Your customer's can call your 1300 number/s by dialling the overseas code of that country + Australia's country code (61) + your 1300 or 1800 number."

seamisty · 26 May 2011

JohnH said:
Found this on the internet:-
"a customer may call you using your 1300 number if the country that they are calling you from accepts the call.

This will depend entirely on that countries telephone network. If the call is accepted by the overseas network the customer will be charged accordingly as per that network's fees.

Your customer's can call your 1300 number/s by dialling the overseas code of that country + Australia's country code (61) + your 1300 or 1800 number."

Have passed it on JohnH, thanks, Seamisty

k.smith · 26 May 2011

seamisty said:
Thanks ksmith, will pass it on. Does anyone know what the go is for using 1300 numbers from overseas? Seamisty

For all enquires to Computershare if calling from outside Australia, the number is +61 3 9415 4159

the 1300 number is just for calls within Australia.

Thanks, Jadel, for your insightful post today.
This site, and the AG, has been, imo, instrumental in giving a collective voice to the many decimated ordinary investors....

JohnH · 26 May 2011

Night all............ I'm going to bed, perchance to dream of red leather jackets and returned $$$.

...........Sorry Seamisty, just drunk you bottle of cleanskin!!

simgrund · 27 May 2011

JohnH said:
Night all............ I'm going to bed, perchance to dream of red leather jackets and returned $$$.

...........Sorry Seamisty, just drunk you bottle of cleanskin!!

Ha, at least you still can afford cleanskins.
The lesser of us are squeezing them last drops from bottles abandoned in the gutters.
A slurred cheer to you,

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