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There should be mandatory updates on their websites on a weekly basis, transparency about all aspects of the loan arrangements between the fund and the borrowers, and full disclosure about any financial facility arrangments that are or have been in place.
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WC seemed to have goofed by there legal proceedings, which we paid for, and then seemingly WC lost. Did WC really think they could take on the Government.
Yes, we did pay for the legal proceedings, as stated by Caroline Snow(CEO):-
Wellington as responsible entity of the Premium Income Fund have been party to a number of court proceedings since 2 May 2008, and consequently the Premium Income Fund has paid the legal fees and expenses incurred in relation to the initiation and conduct of these court proceedings inorder to protect the interest of Unitholders.
WC did not win anything at all, and so how did they protect the interest of Unitholders. Did they think the PTQ would come after our fund, as that is the only thing, I can think of? Anyway how much are we talkng about? ...
Hi follks, I'm an investor (loser) in FMF. I've just been sent a copy of your Fund's Update. I'm really surprised that your manager is going on with the old line of 'completing the development', to keep the drip flowing to the lenders.
In the FMF, I believe this action was the cause of great losses to the fund, especially when contracting with so called 'development partners' (those who bring in the money, but want as Shiloh did, 'a pound a flesh').
Further, I notice that your manager has a given an undertaking to the Supreme Court of Queensland not to draw management fees unless certain conditions prevail.
However, does your manager take 'direct fees' from lenders? I've been asking this question of the new manager of the FMF for quite some time now and they simply refuse to answer.
From newspaper reports it seems that City was taking up to $20m in these fees directly from lenders. I'd guess they continued to take them (ahead of the FMF) right up to the day they lost the mangership of the FMF.
When a fund is frozen and income into the fund has stopped, any money that a manager takes directly from a lender comes straight out of the pockets of the investors in the fund.
I think its a worthwhile question to ask managers.
I hope this information might be of use to you.
I've often wondered why members of the PIF don't have a meeting and de-list the fund since listing the fund seems to have been quite a disaster and caused such a great deal of stress to many investors in the PIF.
Perhaps Breaker could present WC with a list of concerns/questions on behalf of AG members which need more clarification? I would like the following clarified:::Breaker,
I would like this issue of "direct fees" discussed....
Is it common practice for MIS to charge these fees,
and what happens when the fund is illiquid? How are these fees accounted for in financial statements?
Hi Mellifuous, I am sure most would like to see PIN delisted, not only to save the PIF money on a little used service but also to eliminate WC using the NSX listing as an excuse for 'non disclosure' of information due to strict rules of being a listed company. Investors were promised many things from JH when they put their support behind her only to be let down time and time again, especially with the lack of information and transparency JH touted we would get at the Investor Forums and dribbled through numerous media articles!!Hi follks, I'm an investor (loser) in FMF. I've just been sent a copy of your Fund's Update. I'm really surprised that your manager is going on with the old line of 'completing the development', to keep the drip flowing to the lenders.
In the FMF, I believe this action was the cause of great losses to the fund, especially when contracting with so called 'development partners' (those who bring in the money, but want as Shiloh did, 'a pound a flesh').
Further, I notice that your manager has a given an undertaking to the Supreme Court of Queensland not to draw management fees unless certain conditions prevail.
However, does your manager take 'direct fees' from lenders? I've been asking this question of the new manager of the FMF for quite some time now and they simply refuse to answer.
From newspaper reports it seems that City was taking up to $20m in these fees directly from lenders. I'd guess they continued to take them (ahead of the FMF) right up to the day they lost the mangership of the FMF.
When a fund is frozen and income into the fund has stopped, any money that a manager takes directly from a lender comes straight out of the pockets of the investors in the fund.
I think its a worthwhile question to ask managers.
I hope this information might be of use to you.
I've often wondered why members of the PIF don't have a meeting and de-list the fund since listing the fund seems to have been quite a disaster and caused such a great deal of stress to many investors in the PIF.
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