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Ukraine war: Huge Russian ship destroyed by Kyiv's navy

Flames and thick black smoke was seen rising over the port of Berdyansk, in southern Ukraine, as Kyiv's navy said it had destroyed a Russian ship using the dock to unload tanks.
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Ukraine destroys Russian landing ship after state media revealed its location with propaganda footage: Huge fireball rises over port that had been taken by Putin's forces​

  • Ball of flames and smoke seen rising from Berdyansk, a Ukrainian port under the control of Russian forces
  • Kyiv's navy claimed to have hit and destroyed the Orsk, a 370ft Alligator-class Russian landing ship
  • If confirmed, it would be the largest vessel that Ukraine has struck and another embarrassing loss for Putin
  • Russian state media revealed the ship's location just days earlier, showing it unloading armoured vehicles
 
sptrawler said:
One wonders if it will be a joint currency, between China and Russia.
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there was already a plan ( seemingly abandoned ) to have a BRICS common currency since Russia , China and India are moving closer and Brazil MIGHT be thinking of returning to the group that only leaves South Africa 'stranded ' , but maybe Iran would be invited to make up the bulk of the economic clout , rather strange the original plans omitted Pakistan ( under Imran Khan ) i would have thought they would have been invited even if just to settle the Kashmir dispute , so India could grow in a better coordinated manner

now to me , it seems that China does NOT want to be the reserve currency , but would like a reasonable amount of influence in it
 
Here's a educational view, on the war in Ukraine; Detailing Ukraine's History, showing sum powerful insight the lead up to the Russian Invasion. Why in Putin's eyes, and explains why Ukraine failed to become a NATO member, and tells of a resilient nation, full of good stock, but let down by a past President, who was in my eye's untrustworthy. And let the Ukrainian nation down...That's why there in conflict now and Putin got he's way...


For those who ain't all adwares of the conflict it makes for some good viewing...

 
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" Russia without Ukraine is a country, Russia with Ukraine is an empire."

thanks for posting
 
There is a lot more to European history than a 30 minute video could ever show, and regardless to past history, we are now seeing history in the making.

"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen"--Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.

Russo-Finnish War, also called Winter War, (November 30, 1939–March 12, 1940), war waged by the Soviet Union against Finland

Soviet troops totaling about one million men attacked Finland on several fronts. The heavily outnumbered Finns put up a skillful and effective defense that winter, and the Red Army made little progress. In February 1940, however, the Soviets used massive artillery bombardments to breach the Mannerheim Line (the Finns’ southern defensive barrier stretching across the Karelian Isthmus), after which they streamed northward across the isthmus to the Finnish city of Viipuri (Vyborg). Unable to secure help from Britain and France, the exhausted Finns made peace (the Treaty of Moscow) on Soviet terms on March 12, 1940, agreeing to the cession of western Karelia and to the construction of a Soviet naval base on the Hanko Peninsula.
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In a muddy car park in Norway's Far North, Finnish troops show off their military might, lining up rocket launchers, artillery and snowmobiles as they prepare to train alongside their NATO brothers-in-arms.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has shifted public opinion in the two Nordic nations.

For the first time, a majority of Swedes and Finns have come out in favour of joining NATO, according to opinion polls published since late February.

Military officers from the two nations refuse to comment publicly on the politically-sensitive matter, but insist that if and when the time comes for NATO membership, they'll be ready.

Stockholm and Helsinki have both ruled out joining for now, though the issue has been the subject of extensive political discussions in Finland.
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Former Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubb says he believes Helsinki will soon apply for NATO membership. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has increased public support for NATO in Finland to record levels.

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'Finland will join NATO' - former PM Alexander Stubb – DW – 03/24/2022

Former Finnish Prime Minister Alexander Stubb says he believes Helsinki will soon apply for NATO membership. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has increased public support for NATO in Finland to record levels.
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Value Collector said:
I am not sure how you can think this invasion is going well for Russia.

Compare it to the USA invasion of Iraq and the Battle of Bagdad.

It took 6 Days for the USA to capture Bagdad, 3 weeks into the invasion.

The USA did it with a force of 30,000 soldiers, The battle of Bagdad losses for the USA was 34 soldiers, 2 planes, 1 helicopter, 2 tanks and 17 other vehicles.

Compare that to the current Russian losses at the moment, not to mention that the USA was fighting across an ocean on the other side of the world, Where as Russia is just across their border and struggling logistically.

It’s true that no one seems to have the ability to deploy anywhere on the globe and maintain a strong logistics supply chain like the USA, the closest other nation would be the Brits, Russia has shown a huge weakness in their abilities in my opinion.
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USA (along with all their pals all around the world) was able to mass troops, arms and supplies for aImost half a year before taking Iraq. Iraq had a huge personnel force but they were already demoralised/fatigued by 8 years fighting Iran and barely surviving. Once the Allies took out the Iraqi air force, it wasnt too hard to take out all the radars and antiquated tanks etc.. in the iraqi forces.

I would urge you to look at the more recent Afghan war and see how that ended. Somali civil war still ongoing and I think Yemen wars still going. US war machine can only do so much all around the world, much like historical world powers, dutch/british, after a while, it gets too costly to have your fingers in so many pies.

Regarding Ukraine, as I mentioned Russia is trying to take it as much intact as possible. They are not trying to destroy everything. It would be a very simple matter to destroy key telecoms/energy/water targets in a day or two. There are a lot of their own Russian people in the many Ukrainian cities and towns. Its very different when you are "liberating" a nation that basically speaks the same language, same religion, similar culture, historical ties, same slavic race..

Putin is also not seeking to kill/capture Zelensky but to get him to come to the table and effect their demands.

And talking about supply chains, I think the days of easy logistics etc are over, USA itself currently having ships piled up outside their ports waiting to process the shipments etc..
 
bluekelah said:
USA (along with all their pals all around the world) was able to mass troops, arms and supplies for aImost half a year before taking Iraq.
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I hope that you realise that Russia and the Ukraine are on the same continent, that the border each other, that Russia has the worlds largest train network, that Putin has secretly planned the invasion since 2013.

There is nothing to analyse, Russian military is a mess. Russian corruption has lead military spending to be rorted, resulting in substandard equipment and training.

All Russia has is the threat of nuclear weapons.
 
JohnDe said:
I hope that you realise that Russia and the Ukraine are on the same continent, that the border each other, that Russia has the worlds largest train network, that Putin has secretly planned the invasion since 2013.

There is nothing to analyse, Russian military is a mess. Russian corruption has lead military spending to be rorted, resulting in substandard equipment and training.

All Russia has is the threat of nuclear weapons.
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I hope you realise that Russians are not trying to flatten Ukraine :D and they are putting an offensive in the middle of a freakin snowy winter/spring weather, its warming up now, google weather showing a balmy -2 degrees in Kiev tonight...

I could say the same thing about Ukrainian military in a mess as well :D They are arming civilians with no military training and letting them fight ( or shoud we say martyr themselves) . Why would a well trained military with reportedly 200k personnel strength vs 100k+ Russians need to recruit trigger happy civilians that have never killed) . Ukrainian corruption has been just as bad. But hey the generals on both sides used to be drinking buddies decades ago under the USSR banner :D

It would have been easy so easy to just take out the 15 nuclear reactors, lights out in Kiev and "win" the "war" Why has Russia not done that? Why are they still mucking around, slowly taking over cities/towns and infrastructure? DId you read about the recent protest in a town that ended with the Mayor being released and getting the Russians to leave em alone if they didnt house any Ukrainian troops. Whats up with that? Doesnt sound like a real war to me?
 
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bluekelah said:
USA (along with all their pals all around the world) was able to mass troops, arms and supplies for aImost half a year before taking Iraq. Iraq had a huge personnel force but they were already demoralised/fatigued by 8 years fighting Iran and barely surviving. Once the Allies took out the Iraqi air force, it wasnt too hard to take out all the radars and antiquated tanks etc.. in the iraqi forces.

I would urge you to look at the more recent Afghan war and see how that ended. Somali civil war still ongoing and I think Yemen wars still going. US war machine can only do so much all around the world, much like historical world powers, dutch/british, after a while, it gets too costly to have your fingers in so many pies.

Regarding Ukraine, as I mentioned Russia is trying to take it as much intact as possible. They are not trying to destroy everything. It would be a very simple matter to destroy key telecoms/energy/water targets in a day or two. There are a lot of their own Russian people in the many Ukrainian cities and towns. Its very different when you are "liberating" a nation that basically speaks the same language, same religion, similar culture, historical ties, same slavic race..

Putin is also not seeking to kill/capture Zelensky but to get him to come to the table and effect their demands.

And talking about supply chains, I think the days of easy logistics etc are over, USA itself currently having ships piled up outside their ports waiting to process the shipments etc..
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Don’t confuse invasion with long term occupation or successful destruction of a government.

The USA were extremely successful in both the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the down fall in Afghanistan came from the inability to install a stable self sustaining government that could maintain those occupied land when the USA left.

Russia hasn’t even been successful in completing the invasion and taking the capital and government yet, which is only step one.

If they can’t complete step 1, how are they going to complete step 2 which is maintain an occupation? and then how are they going to succeed in step 3 which would be installing a self sustaining government friendly to their long term objectives?

The USA are very good at step 1 and step 2, but russia is floundering, I would argue no country is good at step 3 long term any nation will revert back once occupation forces leave, if that’s what it’s citizens really want.
 
Value Collector said:
Don’t confuse invasion with long term occupation or successful destruction of a government.

The USA were extremely successful in both the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the down fall in Afghanistan came from the inability to install a stable self sustaining government that could maintain those occupied land when the USA left.

Russia hasn’t even been successful in completing the invasion and taking the capital and government yet, which is only step one.

If they can’t complete step 1, how are they going to complete step 2 which is maintain an occupation? and then how are they going to succeed in step 3 which would be installing a self sustaining government friendly to their long term objectives?

The USA are very good at step 1 and step 2, but russia is floundering, I would argue no country is good at step 3 long term any nation will revert back once occupation forces leave, if that’s what it’s citizens really want.
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Yes. “They’d be doing this not to make a better, safer EV for customers, or in their own self-interest. Instead, they’d be commonizing components so that Agassi-style disruptors—start-ups in the nonexistent “business” of battery swapping—can literally leverage their way into their cars and multi-trillion-dollar industry; with robotic stations to jack up cars, switch out batteries, and take a cut of any profits. Any automaker invested in current EVs and the charging model would be cutting their own throat, and handing potential competitors the knife.”
 
Australia will send armoured troop carriers to Ukraine, ramping up the military aid it is providing the embattled country to stave off Russia’s invasion.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said Australia would fulfil Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s plea, with the Bushmaster vehicles to be flown to Europe. He did not say how many would be deployed, although up to four can be delivered on each aircraft.

“We will fly them over there in our C-17s to make sure they can be there to support [Ukraine],” Morrison said.
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Craton said:
As each C17 can hold four Bushmasters, might take a few round trips eh.
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We have 8 of the C-17 aircraft in our airforce, so that’s 32 Bushmasters in the first round of flights.

I have no idea how many they are planning to send, but round trips taking 34 hours of flying probably 48 hours or so including loading and routine maintenance, they can more a lot of stuff from Australia to Ukraine in a short time.

An “Air Bridge” could be established with planes taking off every six hours, and like clock work planes with equipment and supplies will be landing every six hours.
 
Value Collector said:
We have 8 of the C-17 aircraft in our airforce, so that’s 32 Bushmasters in the first round of flights.

I have no idea how many they are planning to send, but round trips taking 34 hours of flying probably 48 hours or so including loading and routine maintenance, they can more a lot of stuff from Australia to Ukraine in a short time.

An “Air Bridge” could be established with planes taking off every six hours, and like clock work planes with equipment and supplies will be landing every six hours.
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You may not know this, but how many Bushmasters do we actually have, and about what percentage would we be willing to give away, possibly never to be seen again ?
 
SirRumpole said:
You may not know this, but how many Bushmasters do we actually have, and about what percentage would we be willing to give away, possibly never to be seen again ?
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Retired Australian Army lieutenant general Peter Leahy says Australia has Bushmasters to spare.
"We've got over 1,000 of them, in fact a number of them are surplus to requirement in the Australian Army, they're also used by the Air Force," he said. "Other countries have them in service in small numbers, but frankly we have more than we need."
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What is Australia's troop carrier the Bushmaster?

Volodymyr Zelenskyy's appeal for Australian-made armoured vehicles has been answered, with Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirming Bushmasters will be sent to join the fight against Russian forces.
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