War threat in Ukraine

[basilio]

Always an obvious outcome . Ukraine is a critical supplier of world grain supplies.

How Russia's invasion of Ukraine could make bread and noodles more expensive

Ukranian farmers are among the hundreds of thousands fleeing war or fighting to defend their country. There are fears a prolonged war could disrupt global supply chains of popular products like wheat.

www.abc.net.au

 

[basilio]

If that is true @Value Collector , why would anyone build tanks? It kind of indicates the Russians just want to commit suicide, I mean really 280 tanks, for 300 missile shots.
Amazing if true.

If you check the story there might be some exaggeration.
Nonetheless it is very effective and would certainly be slowing Russian tanks down.

 

[JohnDe]

If that is true @Value Collector , why would anyone build tanks? It kind of indicates the Russians just want to commit suicide, I mean really 280 tanks, for 300 missile shots.
Amazing if true.

That demonstration was on a stationary tank with no defence system, guys shooting had no pressure from an enemy on the hunt for them.

It’s definitely a good offensive weapon but it’s not going to cause the total destruction of a well commanded army regiment with tanks. Though it will make inexperienced soldiers panic & run leaving empty tanks. Which did happened in the first week.

 

[basilio]

Yep Russia is a major supplier of many resources.

Yes slowing or stopping this trade will cause problems.
So what do you think happened in 1914 or 1940 ? That somehow it didn't matter that world trade patterns were basically stuffed ?

This is a serious situation. If the West decides it wants to continue sanctioning Russia until the situation in the Ukraine is resolved acceptably then governments will need to tackle these problems.

It's called going to a war economy. The obvious steps are

1) Minimise non essential use of resources that may be in short supply
2) Scour the country and friendly partners for alternative supplies
3) Where necessary fast track new processes to replace some of these resources.
4) Prioritize use of scare resources.
5) Institute price control measures to prevent gouging and hoarding.

One absolute certainty. There is no way a free market economy is going to resolve these issues. It needs strong government direction.

Russia is probably in a far more difficult situation than us. But I bet a determined central economy will make a better fist of these challenges than a hands off approach.

 

[JohnDe]

 

[over9k]

@moXJO, largely in agreement with what you've said.
Not sure why there's such opposition to the idea that the media we're consuming is just as biased as the media that Russians are consuming... And that perhaps we don't have the entire story?

The best solution at this point (for the world) is to allow Russia to topple the Ukrainian government with as little humanitarian impact as possible.

Best case scenario it remains a neutral state and we restore ties with Russia.

The West is fooling itself if it thinks Russia is in pain or Putin gives a sh*t. Oil has sky-rocketed by 30% in 2 weeks and the US hasn't even turned off their imports!!!

We are staring down the barrel of hyperinflation with no remedy (green tech is not ready yet and the people don't want nuclear)

Stagflation. We're headed for stagflation.

Just wait until the other eastern european states and taiwan get invaded

 

[Knobby22]

The protesters in Russia won't succeed. Look at what happened in Hong Kong for instance. Putin will just crack down harder, he has already banned most sites on the internet and will go further.

Protesters will be arrested and some will be killed. The state has more power than when the French revolution occurred

Russians think they aren't free now, they will know what a jackboot to the face will feel like soon (as will the Ukranians).

 

[againsthegrain]

You have to love the Javelins, 280 tank kills from 300 fired, for those not familiar with the Javelin, watch the 40 second video of one being tested against a tank.

300 Shots Fired, 280 Russian Tanks Gone: US Missiles In Ukrainian Hands

Javelin missile: The Ukrainian military fighting the much larger Russian invasion force has been able to kill hundreds of Russian tanks and armoured vehicles using a hand-held anti-tank missile supplied by the US, according to a US journalist.

www.ndtv.com

The Javelins go magic along with the Bayraktar drones they got from the Turks. Drone bogs down a convoy of trucks and tanks by taking out the front and back then some guys with Javelins jump out covered by snipers to take out the stationary tanks stuck behind what the Bayraktar cooked up

 

[Value Collector]

If that is true @Value Collector , why would anyone build tanks? It kind of indicates the Russians just want to commit suicide, I mean really 280 tanks, for 300 missile shots.
Amazing if true.

The Javelin is a powerful weapon, it’s expensive though, but both Germany and the Netherlands have sent to Ukraine.

Tanks are Niche weapons that are powerful in some circumstances if used correctly and are supported by infantry to protect them, but they can be sitting ducks and are vulnerable to modern weapons like the Javelin.

You might see some Russian tanks rolling round with these weird cages on top, those cages are designed to try and defeat weapons like the Javelin, because the Javelin works by having two explosive charges, eg one to penetrate the tank, and a second to push inside and explode on the inside of the tank, by having the cage it causes the javelin to explode it’s first charge a few feet away from the tank which messes it up, it does have a direct fire setting where it attacks from the side, but tank armour is stronger on the side.

 

[Value Collector]

That demonstration was on a stationary tank with no defence system, guys shooting had no pressure from an enemy on the hunt for them.

It’s definitely a good offensive weapon but it’s not going to cause the total destruction of a well commanded army regiment with tanks. Though it will make inexperienced soldiers panic & run leaving empty tanks. Which did happened in the first week.

It’s a guided missile, the tank can be moving and it will still hit its target.

It’s also a “shoot and scoot” weapon, meaning once you fire it, you can run away, you don’t have to hold a laser or anything on the target.

As I mentions above there are defences such as the cages, and reactive armour, but even with these if a tank is hit it’s still likely to have either a weapons kill or a mobility kill.

When attacking a tank, there are three levels of “Kill” you can inflict

1, mobility kill (tank is immobilised eg lost a track, but weapons still function)

2, weapons kill (tank is mobile, but it’s weapons systems are damaged or destroyed so it can’t really fight)

3, catastrophic Kill (both mobility and weapons or crew is destroyed)

A Javelin is highly likely to inflict a Catastrophic Kill, but if not will still probably achieve either a mobility or weapons kill.

 

[moXJO]

It’s a guided missile, the tank can be moving and it will still hit its target.

It’s also a “shoot and scoot” weapon, meaning once you fire it, you can run away, you don’t have to hold a laser or anything on the target.

As I mentions above there are defences such as the cages, and reactive armour, but even with these if a tank is hit it’s still likely to have either a weapons kill or a mobility kill.

When attacking a tank, there are three levels of “Kill” you can inflict

1, mobility kill (tank is immobilised eg lost a track, but weapons still function)

2, weapons kill (tank is mobile, but it’s weapons systems are damaged or destroyed so it can’t really fight)

3, catastrophic Kill (both mobility and weapons or crew is destroyed)

A Javelin is highly likely to inflict a Catastrophic Kill, but if not will still probably achieve either a mobility or weapons kill.

All the above is correct. Missile technology is reaching the stage where tanks are in danger of becoming obsolete. There are other systems that will punch through side armour.

 

[Value Collector]

All the above is correct. Missile technology is reaching the stage where tanks are in danger of becoming obsolete. There are other systems that will punch through side armour.

The Ukrainians have already been calling saint Javelin hahaha.

 

[waterbottle]

Here it is, the East v. West divide

 

[JohnDe]

Umm the azov flag
Keep dickbating though. Let's see what you can youtube next.

Here you go -

 

[waterbottle]

The demands:

 

[moXJO]

Here you go -

War Crimes, more reasons for US to enter and make a bigger mess. Is this verified? probably by pro west media....

I don't support Russia by the way. I just don't like the disinformation out there. NATO and US have basically armed a lot of countries around Russia that were formally ussr. Ukraine was probably the last straw.

Putins guise of entering under "neo nazi removal service" is of course bs. But I suspect you believe what I wrote above is to support it. No, it was to point out it was an actual thing in Ukraine. Russia itself has its own neo nazi battalion. The 'Sparta battalion'. The fact Russia of all places has a strong neo nazi presence blows the mind. But as I said Europe is facing a strong far right problem.

In any case, there was a supposed cease fire to let refugees out. I thought the Russians called it.
I wouldn't put anything past putin though. But looking at the narrative so far, US wants in. Or a reason to punch down more.

This isn't a war the world jumps into. It's one you grind out from the sidelines till hopefully the cost is to high for Russia to continue.
Russia could end the world as we know it if hot heads make a move.

 

[moXJO]

The demands:

Won't happen. Yet anyway.

 

[Value Collector]

Here it is, the East v. West divide

If the nukes do start flying and you happen to be outside the blast area and you don’t have a basement, you can construct an improvised fall out shelter to Shield yourself from the high levels of radiation that will be present in the days after the blast.

Seal all the windows of your home and build your shelter in the centre of the home, radioactive dust will be settling on the roof of your home and the ground outside and it will be most radio active in the hours and days right after the blast.

remember the three factors.

Time- limit the time you are exposed

Distance- keep the maximum distance away (centre of home)

shielding- maximise the amount of stuff between you and the radioactive source (dust outside)

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

gg

 

[Smurf1976]

One thing I wonder about is financial impacts due to the sheer speed and scale of commodity price movements?

That is, is anyone on the wrong side of a trade losing serious $ billions?

Pure speculation on my part but it's at least possible.