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I've been out of the loop for a while, but what happened to back burning during winter?
When l was growing up, back burning used to happen all the time. Not so much now?
Lots of finger pointing at Greenies only problem is they have never been in government any where on main land Australia and certainly didnt control cutting the budgets.
It does appear to be business as usual, who can get the most teflon on, so that none of the $ hit sticks.I've been out of the loop for a while, but what happened to back burning during winter?
When l was growing up, back burning used to happen all the time. Not so much now?
I agree in a strict legal sense they haven't been in government but the Greens (as in the political party) and conservationists (as distinct from the Greens) in general do claim to have been effective at various things by means of protest and preference votes etc. That's no conspiracy, it's a claim often made by prominent Greens politicians and other environmentalists over an extended period.
I've been out of the loop for a while, but what happened to back burning during winter?
When l was growing up, back burning used to happen all the time. Not so much now?
The march of the Gumtree is a big factor that is often overlooked. And a lot have marched right into rainforest territory. They are a bastard of a tree when it comes to fire. And the one thing that thrives after one.
I think it’s important to distinguish the Greens, that is the political party, from anyone who simply campaigns on some random environmental issue. In the same way as some worker arguing with a boss isn’t Labor and a random group of farmers aren’t the Nationals and so on.My understanding is that the Greens have long advocated for prescribed burns
Yeah, reminds me of this...
Fined for illegal clearing, family now feel vindicated
They were labelled law breakers, fined $50,000 and left emotionally and financially drained.
But seven years after the Sheahans bulldozed trees to make a fire break — an act that got them dragged before a magistrate and penalised — they feel vindicated. Their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek, Victoria, still standing.
Mr Sheahan is still angry about his prosecution, which cost him $100,000 in fines and legal fees. The council's planning laws allow trees to be cleared only when they are within six metres of a house. Mr Sheahan cleared trees up to 100 metres away from his house.
"The council stood up in court and made us to look like the worst, wanton environmental vandals on the earth. We've got thousands of trees on our property. We cleared about 247," he said.
He said the royal commission on the fires must result in changes to planning laws to allow land owners to clear trees and vegetation that pose a fire risk.
"Both the major parties are pandering to the Greens for preferences and that is what is causing the problem. Common sense isn't that common these days," Mr Sheahan said.
Melbourne University bushfire expert Kevin Tolhurst gave evidence to help the Sheahan family in their legal battle with the council.
"Both the major parties are pandering to the Greens for preferences and that is what is causing the problem. Common sense isn't that common these days," Mr Sheahan said.
So what is exactly your point? A family managed to save their house vs being pictured evacuating from a beach and they did not have a point?I was aware of that story recon they got screwed, even with a 50 mt break around the house they still had to fight long and hard to save the house remember seeing how burnt the place was but still standing.
What's needed is a scientific approach and the removal of politics from all this.
No elected person should be making these sorts of decisions, it's a job for experts based on science not some damn politician of whatever persuasion.
So what is exactly your point? .
Sure, read the abc, hottest on record..well actually 1910I guess how many people can clear 50 mts around their house to start with I couldn't?
The fire conditions for that story were bad the current ones are beyond extreme that 50 mt would not have held you have towns burning for Christ sake its all unrepresented.
As for CC what happens when we get hotter what will the extremes be then as for the current situation this is the current weather patterns
"The last couple of months have seen a triple whammy of climate factors leading to widespread death and destruction right across the country.
The combined impacts from one of the strong positive Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) events on record, a Sudden Stratospheric Warming (SSW) event and flow on strong negative Southern Annular Mode (SAM) events have resulted in 2019 being the hottest and driest year for Australia on record.
In short, the lack of moisture from the Indian Ocean and lift in the westerly storm track towards the country from the south has brought hot, dry weather - and devastating fire conditions.
One additional flow on effect of the strong positive IOD event was that it blocked the development of the monsoon trough across the north of the country, effectively holding it at bay until now. The onset of the monsoon usually occurs late October and into early November, bringing enhanced rainfall across northern Australia."
But look lets all pray for Scotty from marketing Smoko it must surely be a horrible time for him.
Maybe shires or council will stop giving out building permits for people that want to live on their bush block?Especially if they have large damages awarded against them.The rates may not be worth it.I was aware of that story recon they got screwed, even with a 50 mt break around the house they still had to fight long and hard to save the house remember seeing how burnt the place was but still standing.
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