VF Commodore

[Garpal Gumnut]

Does anyone have any pricing on the new VF Commodore range?

gg

 

[CanOz]

www.hsv.com.au

CanOz

 

[MrBurns]

Does anyone have any pricing on the new VF Commodore range?

gg

Speculative -


http://www.vfcommodore.com/price-guide.html

 

[Tyler Durden]

Doesn't seem too unreasonable.

Holden makes nice cars. I have a 2005 VZ and am quite happy with it. But I don't know why they and Ford are being beaten so badly by other manufacturers. I mean, the cost of production is one thing I know, but it just seems like people's tastes have changed to prefer cars from other countries. That tells me Holden and Ford probably aren't really listening to the market (and concentrating on asking the government for more money).

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Speculative -


http://www.vfcommodore.com/price-guide.html

I saw that site Burnsie, official prices not released yet.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

I saw that site Burnsie, official prices not released yet.

gg

Would be close though.
They make a good product for the money in my opinion.

 

[sptrawler]

Would you be looking at the Grange? GG

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Would you be looking at the Grange? GG

I'm downsizing the Arnage.

Probably a Calais V6 if I were to go Texas Holden.

Audi A6 and Jaguar VF also on my horizon

gg

 

[JTLP]

Doesn't seem too unreasonable.

Holden makes nice cars. I have a 2005 VZ and am quite happy with it. But I don't know why they and Ford are being beaten so badly by other manufacturers. I mean, the cost of production is one thing I know, but it just seems like people's tastes have changed to prefer cars from other countries. That tells me Holden and Ford probably aren't really listening to the market (and concentrating on asking the government for more money).

Really? You can't see how they are failing?

You're last sentence nails it. Multitude of reasons but I'll put it down to this:

A) We aren't a big "Aussie Bloke" country anymore - people don't want/need this style of car
B) Costs of running are quite high (fuel etc). Who needs a V6 for a metro area anyway?
C) The price probably puts them on par with a 2nd hand Merc/BMW a few years older - many middle age people want to show wealth - why not?
D) Asian influence means lots of Toyotas etc with prinicipally better safety etc.

The list goes on. I personally wish we did away with these sorts of Holdens and Fords. It's just no longer applicable to the way of life. Only subsidies should be for when they do a 4 cylinder version that people would buy

 

[Smurf1976]

I mean, the cost of production is one thing I know, but it just seems like people's tastes have changed to prefer cars from other countries. That tells me Holden and Ford probably aren't really listening to the market (and concentrating on asking the government for more money).

I think it's the basic design of the car itself. A sedan is good for transporting people and that's it.

Every other type of car has some advantage in a practical sense. Small cars, hatches etc = easy to park and drive in the city, economical to run. 4WD's = large, good for carrying practically anything, good for towing. And there are many variants on those "slightly larger" small cars and "a bit smaller" 4WD's (some of them without actual 4WD as such). And of course there's utes and vans for commercial applications too.

The market for large sedans has declined due to innovation and the development of alternative products. Take away the fleet sales and I'd expect that the actual market is pretty small indeed these days. It's not how good the car is or isn't, it's just not the product that most consumers want these days.

 

[McLovin]

Doesn't seem too unreasonable.

Holden makes nice cars. I have a 2005 VZ and am quite happy with it. But I don't know why they and Ford are being beaten so badly by other manufacturers. I mean, the cost of production is one thing I know, but it just seems like people's tastes have changed to prefer cars from other countries. That tells me Holden and Ford probably aren't really listening to the market (and concentrating on asking the government for more money).

I filled up yesterday, 98 octane was $1.61/lt. You're making some big assumptions about what people are willing to spend on petrol when your bog standard model comes with a 3.6l V6.

Aside from that, people don't want big cars. More and more people are living in inner city apartments, do they really want/need a massive car for the odd occassion they actually need to use a car. The more urbanised we become the more redundant large sedans become.

 

[skc]

I think it's the basic design of the car itself. A sedan is good for transporting people and that's it.

Every other type of car has some advantage in a practical sense. Small cars, hatches etc = easy to park and drive in the city, economical to run. 4WD's = large, good for carrying practically anything, good for towing. And there are many variants on those "slightly larger" small cars and "a bit smaller" 4WD's (some of them without actual 4WD as such). And of course there's utes and vans for commercial applications too.

The market for large sedans has declined due to innovation and the development of alternative products. Take away the fleet sales and I'd expect that the actual market is pretty small indeed these days. It's not how good the car is or isn't, it's just not the product that most consumers want these days.

+1. I don't remember the last time I have 4 adults in a car. And unless you are regularly carpooling or a taxi driver, I would suspect that's the case for many people.

 

[Smurf1976]

It seems that the car itself may indeed be a decent car as such. So I'm not knocking Aussie manufacturing for the sake of it.

I'd consider buying one if I wanted to buy a large sedan. But (apart from the fact that I'm not looking to buy a new car at the moment), that's not the sort of vehicle that I'd be likely to buy these days.

 

[Knobby22]

I really like the Falcon and the Commodore but then I could buy a car like the Nissan Dualis that has as more room for my family and uses less fuel. Hard to justify.

The big advantage of the cars is their towing capacity but I don't have a boat or caravan.

 

[MrBurns]

Holdens and Falcons were the traditional transport of the average Aussie family.
The Japanese and increasingly other Asian countries now provide an equally acceptable car for a lot less $'s

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Holdens and Falcons were the traditional transport of the average Aussie family.
The Japanese and increasingly other Asian countries now provide an equally acceptable car for a lot less $'s

It will cost $10,000 more here than in the US.

What a ripoff.

We produce and ship it to the USA and still manage to make a profit.

The bludgers at GM Holden gouge us for an extra $10,000.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/americans-to-pay-10000-less-for-vf-commodore-20130216-2ejoa.html

gg

 

[MrBurns]

It will cost $10,000 more here than in the US.

What a ripoff.

The price of cars in Oz is another story, theft is a better word, you and I would be riding in Ferraris if the playing field was fair.

Well perhaps a Bently Continental Sport........easier on the back.....

 

[Macquack]

It will cost $10,000 more here than in the US.

What a ripoff.

We produce and ship it to the USA and still manage to make a profit.

The bludgers at GM Holden gouge us for an extra $10,000.


gg

Like the boss of Ikea says "Australians are very discerning customers and are extremely happy to pay exorbitantly higher prices than any other consumers in the entire world". Pigs a*se.

Australia Has The Most Expensive IKEA Products In The Entire World
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/0...-expensive-ikea-products-in-the-entire-world/

 

[Knobby22]

We have to get smarter with our money. There seems to be so many companies setting up in Australia because we are soft targets.