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Hi Fastbuck1, I understand that you, as we all do, have some concern whenever a substantial shareholder sells out. As I did explain in my previous post, the exit clearly was very clean with no downward selling pressure and it went to either 1 or 2 parties.

Who knows what Stanley's own personal situation is currently and what his cash requirements are. We do know that he bought at the bottom of the market and has made a stack of cash in the past couple of years. I also agree that at the time of the calamitous share price drop in late 2008 we all saw him as our saviour particularly as it appeared RED had lost its way, but actually he didn't do anything other than buy shares whereas at the time we thought he might use his shareholding to change the management at that time when we were not so happy with things. But those times are now well and truly behind the company, RED has completely changed in its status as we all now know and RED now enjoys a considerable increase in institutional support.

I have recently queried the company about the status of the finance, which I see is the only thing holding back any doubt as to whether the project will be developed within the next year, and I have had it confirmed, as have others, that all is on track with the bank offer.

I understand the final documentation on the debt finance offer is already very close to completion, and its likely the bank will be completing all things BEFORE the end of the July, but with some of the board traveling to N America soon and then Diggers and Dealers in early August the final acceptance of the finance might still be as I had understood it previously, to be the end of the first week of August. BUT there may well be a Trading Halt at the time of the bank offer so that such sensitive information is not leaked out, the only reason why that might not be called is if it will take more than 48 hours for RED to have the final bank offer vetted by a consultant.

I think its also important to consider that Stanley, whilst our past saviour, and a smart man with his previous investments such as Equigold etc, is not necessarily in a position to know any issues that could affect the future course of RED - he was instrumental in having Bolitho included on the board very recently but I suggest no board member would be crazy enough to ever jeopardise their position in providing sensitive information to any shareholder, particularly of the size of holdings that Stanley had!

Finally I understand that the development of Siana has NOT been delayed whatsoever with the way the development has proceeded, even though the bank finance has been put back the past couple of months.

RED board made the call that it would continue to fund the project, in a careful manner, from cash reserves prior to receiving the bank offer, and in any case, had no intention to draw down the bank portion of the funds until later to conserve costs of the borrowings (not that it amounts to much additional cost in the overall context of the funding). Therefore, Siana development remains on schedule to produce first gold in April 2011 - 10 months from now! Once the market appreciates that fact, along with the finance acceptance, the share price WILL move upwards, and I understand with considerable buying support from existing and other interested insto's leading the way!

My only concern now is whether the gold price will remain at these historically high levels, and I have already commented a number of times abut the benefits of hedging, despite many investors arguing against it. I believe that at a time when gold remains in a trading range that is so much higher than previous and way above cash costs of production, it allows considerable profit to be made if some proportion of gold is locked in. And I believe whilst it might be more marketable to say that the gold is locked in more flexible put/call options, I think that some level of gold forwards is much better due to the lower cost and the realisation that you can always roll them if not in the money! (And at todays gold price cash costs are a mere fraction of those prices!).

I have actually been buying more shares the past week Fastbuck1, as I am not deterred one bit by Stanley getting out. I thank him for his past efforts, I thank others for giving us the chance to push it up much higher from here on!
 
Hi Beatle, hi all. First of all i'd like to introduce myself. I'm a long time reader and a first time writer. I've been so intrigued with what everyone has been posting in regards to RED of late. (ie, finance, development of Siana, and drilling reports at Mapawa)

However I too was a little concerned with what happened last week, re, the very large parcel of shares, that were sold. I just cant fathom it. If it was Ross Stanley, why would he sell out now, when we are so close to the ann we've all been waiting in anticipation for... He must have had a valid reason and as with what beatle said, who really knows what his cash requirements are..

RED held up quite well in yesterdays trading, considering the market, RED having a low of .135 and the current gold prices taking a little dive, from record highs.

Beatle i really like your valuations and the information you provide to us all. It all seems extremely positive. Lets hope it all pans out the way it should. Keep up the good work Beatle... Come on RED

Regards Moit. I am a holder of RED 5
 
Thanks Moit for your kind words, and lets hope that we all can benefit as RED shareholders in the short (and longer term), I really do believe that the market has missed the true value with RED for whatever reason.

With regard to Stanley (if he was the seller and it seems likely that he was), its almost as if he had divine intervention and was told of the drop in gold price! But in any instance I have re-jigged the valuation model based on the latest changes to gold/silver/fx and as you will note the value of Siana to RED remains way above market prices! The valuation is based on discounted cash flow of Siana and is conservative in that it assumes 4 years tax free status whereas RED has recently confirmed the life of Siana mine, based on reserves, of 10 years plus, thus tax free status is actually 5 years!

Siana Valuation:
Based on - US$1,180/oz gold, US$17.50/oz silver, Aus/US$ 0.865
RED (Siana value) = 35.6 cps
Cash = 1.7 cps
SubTotal = 37.3 cps

Additionally for guidance, initial Mapawa = 10 cps
Total RED = 47.3 cps

Regarding those large sales, if the 2 sales are linked (bearing in mind the total was 64 odd million but in 2 parcels of 39 odd and 24 odd millions) then there must be a notice of whoever was the seller and (if linked) who was the buyer, as it was a substantial trade in total (>5%). But of course its not the company that must report, its the shareholders themselves, so the timeframe that they report can be more tardy as the ASX doesn't have the same powers to force shareholders to report! (Especially the seller who seems to lose interest pretty quickly, I wonder why!).
 
Hi all, once again, thank you for your input beatle.

I notice this morning an ann regarding the 64 190 033 million shares bought buy baker steel capital managers, which in return would make them a substantial holder of RED, approx 6.60%. Bearing in mind, thats still doesn't answer the question if indeed Ross Stanley sold out. But as beatle mentioned, the seller would lose interest pretty quickly !!!

I guess that ann does answer our question we've all been wondering, and its great news that theres still people, companies out there that have a little faith in RED...

Regards Moit
 
Hi Moit once again, and I'm happy to see you're continuing to post on RED - the more posts from various inputs the better I believe!

With regard to your comments about Baker Steel, I think there are some very strong positives regarding their position:
Firstly, they are a long term investor, not in it for a cent turn or so, they will be in RED for a long time if the company performs as promised. That means 64odd million shares are now tied up for quite a while.
Secondly, Baker Steel do not invest in spec stocks with little promise, they are into growth stocks, and have been associated with many successful gold stories in the past - this effectively gives another tick of approval to RED by a significant fund manager.
Thirdly, I have been told previously that RED is being courted by another Melbourne based fund, and that fund will not become involved until the debt finance is approved. That fund, generally takes a position no less than 5 - 6%of any stake in its target companies - ie around another 50 million odd shares. I had wondered if this stake purchased by Baker Steel was that Melbourne fund, but clearly its not as Baker Steel is UK and Sydney based! Therefore if that Melbourne fund gets involved, after the debt finance is announced, you can imagine how many shares will be hanging around without a home at the current price, bearing in mind that RED is now trading about 38% of its Siana value! RED shares will likely move up with that additional buying pressure IMO!
 
Hi beatle, i agree with you 100% about posting on RED. The more the merrier, which in turn has to be a good thing. Thats why i thought i'd start to post. I was sitting back everyday, just reading, thinking i should be getting more involved. Mainly because, it is a company, that i and my father, believe in and have a nice little stake in. Certainly as long term investors, definitely not for the short term... How ever he is a little ill-informed with computers, so i tend to pass on various bits of useful information, from yourself, anderbond, fastbuck1 and the others, all in relation to RED 5's development and how things are progressing and so forth.

In relation to baker steel, i actually thought, that the 64 0dd million shares that were traded,were in fact the fund manager you were talking about last week and that they had already bought in and weren't waiting for the go ahead with the debt finance approval. As it now turns out, we have baker steel, and still the possibility of another fund manager entering RED 5 as a substantial holder. Lets just hope with what you were told, RED being courted by a Melbourne based fund manager is in fact the case and the debt finance ann after approval, then things should truly be looking rather golden for RED and its shareholders...

Great talking to you beatle, chat soon.
 
Hi Moit once again, and you thought exactly the same as me about Baker Steel and the other yet-to-buy fund manager. Its exciting to think of that extra investor possibility.

Also consider the next couple of weeks from a news flow and activities point of view:
1. Quarterly out in no later than in 1 week - and probably due out late this week (because if the main executive directors are over in N America from 26th July (Monday) so they will probably want to report before the weekend arrives);
2. Mapawa drilling - I would imagine that RED would want to put out a release on the shallower drilling BEFORE the quarterly to keep that information separate to what is the (summary) quarterly report update. Thus its possible that Mapawa news will be out tomorrow (thursday) with quarterly on friday.
3. Project finance offer likely in latter part of next week - with possible trading halt for RED management to get their heads around it. But this might happen early the following week, when there is all sorts of goings on with Diggers and Dealers happening in Kalgoorlie.
4. The outcome of any investor support coming out of RED's N American road show is likely to happen through the course of next week.

Thus there is limited chance from tomorrow to get RED shares before some probably significant news items coming out!
 
Hi Beatle, Moit and all others that contribute to this post.
I am a holder and was and still am wondering why such a large holding would be sold at what would seem so close to a long awaited and anticipated anouncement.
Does anyone know if Ross Stanley is involved with or has an association with Baker Steel, could this explain?
Thank you for your contributions, i have been reading for some time now and learning from your posts and lets hope this goes the way we all want.
 
Mister mark - from Oresearch website:
QUOTE
Ross Stanley–Executive Consultant - Ore Search Limited

Mr. Ross Stanley has been involved in the mining industry in Australia and Africa for over 40 years. Starting in Australia during the 1970’s he founded a contract mining services company, Stanley Mining Services (SMS) and built it into a globally recognised organization within the mining industry. SMS was listed on the Australia stock exchange in 1997 and was later taken over by the American group Layne Christiansen. Mr. Stanley later resigned from the company he founded, but the company continues to operate in Africa and Australia to this day.

Mr. Ross Stanley has been involved in a number of successful mining projects. The most recent of these has been his involvement with Equigold NL (Equigold), which was listed on the Australian stock exchange in 1996. Mr. Stanley is a major shareholder in Equigold and until recently a member of the company’s board of directors. Since being listed Equigold has developed three gold mines in Australia, two of which are currently operating and is at present constructing the treatment facilities for the Bonikro gold project in Cote d’Ivoire. The first gold to be produced from this project is scheduled for May 2008. Mr. Stanley was instrumental in the initial entrance of Equigold into Cote d’Ivoire.
END QUOTE

A coupe of things to allay concerns re his selling:-
From the little I see; he has a skill for investing in early stage companies and whil Red has been around a while (!!) it is about to take a step up to development / pre-production, so maybe he prefers to being closer to the action when that happens.

I wouldn't get stuck on why people sell - if you need the money in anything less than a long term time frame then leaving it linger on market is just plain risky. Christopher Browne (Tweedy Browne fame) has a lovely story when he learnt that a client casually mentioned in passing he'd be buying a house and that he had the whole deposit invested in stocks -Browne immediately persuaded him to sell it all - the clients needs had changed and he could no longer assume Risk. He also happened to nicely avoid the '87 Crash.
 
Regarding Baker Steel

Its important to note that they have come on board with ALL of their 64m shares with sell from Ross Stanley - they didn't have any shares prior and hadn't particpated in the cap raise.

They must have been seen the presos back then - they could have taken a bite back then - they have now achieved same price and for the sake of a couple of months they have removed some risk knowing that the CR was successful, Mapawa is shaping up,(as has POG) but other than that the story was the same back then!!

This makes their buy more significant - & haven't just taken a small bite.

Beatle - my guess is also for consecutive ann.s - I had commented previously they seem to like spacing news ann.s out over 2-3 days rather than all at once. Do you know why directors going to US?
 
Hi Mgm1a, some points well made re the seller and the buyer. For mine, Baker Steel buying in is a real tick of approval for RED going forward, they have done their due diligence and consider it a good price to enter knowing that project development is going well and the price remains highly discounted!

With regard to the N American visit, I'm not aware of specifics other than to know there have been roadshow presentations prepared in the past weeks - not the same as the latest presentation, so I guess we should also see that new presentation released to the market early next week, perhaps on Monday.

Its interesting to see that Matthews Partners is now on the breach of the takeover limit again, having worked their way back to that position after losing some of their %age due to the placement etc.

Now I'm waiting for the project debt to be announced and some follow up buying from another Melbourne based fund. That will be an interesting phase IMO.
 
RED's Quarterly out this morning had no real surprises as the news has been slowly working its way out, but as a reassurance to the doubters out there, the Quarterly is tremendous news, as official company confirmation that ALL IS ON TRACK for an APRIL 2011 FIRST GOLD POUR!!!

RED share price is likely to be re-rated as a matter of this news, and the imminent bank debt offer announcement should spur those last doubters to change their minds about whether RED will ever produce gold.

With the gold price still strong, RED based on Siana alone, has a value approaching 40 cps, and with Mapawa continuing to excite shareholders about a possibility of a major porphyry gold/copper project in the making, the potential for a RED being taken over looms close - especially with Matthews Capital close to the takeover 20% level - their holding is highly strategic in the possible event of a major gold player wanting to take RED out!

I can see that takeover premium allowing for RED share price to move up towards relativity already enjoyed by MML, thus RED could move towards a target of around 70cps in the coming 9 months as project moves towards first production!

Go RED Go!
 
Hi all I jumped onboard at open this morning after I noticed a strong buy recommended by Macquarie ,it all looks good for RED all on track is great news , I might just short this one , time will tell,for now I will just watch it closely for a good exit point.
Good luck to all holders
 
You make a good point Fatsoh about why the RED Quarterly is out a week early, and actually it was expected due to a few things happening next week:
1. Senior executives are traveling to N America for a roadshow (and whatever else - remember that Boyongan is owned by Philex, of Canada) and will therefore will be unavailable for the majority of the week to attend to news flow.
I assume the main reason for the trip is to alert interested parties of how the company is progressing, especially as soon thereafter the project finance is likely to be in place.
2. As with most companies RED likes to put out its main information regarding various activities under their own headline announcements, with the summary only in Quarterly reports. I had actually expected the Mapawa latest drillholes out yesterday, prior to the Quarterly today, but to be due to awaiting drill assays. Its possible that an announcement on Mapawa has been prepared for release in their absence, but I would not expect RED to do that as they are quite diligent in attending to announcements on a methodical (read slow, haha) basis, and likely to be announced on their return.
3. The project finance announcement is unlikely to be out next week for the same reason of executives being in N America, but its possible that RED, upon its offer being provided, goes into a Trading Halt, but probably that is unlikely whilst Senior executives are overseas (as the TH should be attended to within 48 hours).
4. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Presentation Update released on Monday, to coincide with the N American roadshow - and it will have a bit more in it than the previous Preso released a couple of weeks ago.
 
Beware, I am NOT a technical trader, and therefore my technical analysis is limited. It would be good to have someone more adept to comment on ASF about RED's technical trading outlook...

I am aware on another chat forum that someone is interpreting RED's price chart as forming a cup and handle formation, interpreted in this sense to be positive.

I see a similar pattern appearing, but its not a cup and handle, it appears to be the base of a big bottle of bollinger, haha. RED is going up, and will soon be in uncharted waters, trust me!!!

RED is NOT the same ugly duckling that it was years ago, now it has got a real gold project in Siana, lots of cash in the bank, huge blue sky at Mapawa, and a brand new shareholder base that will push RED to new highs soon.

I AM a fundamental analyst, and my fundamentals suggest RED can get to 48 cents based on current share price, with more likely based on successes at Mapawa. And from a relative pricing point of view, could move towards 70 cents to compare it with its (long distance) neighbour MML.

Red is going to fly shareholders to the moon, FINALLY!
 
Beatle a north american road show could mean a listing on the tsx, now that would realy put a rocket under red.....
 
A very interesting point Fastbuck re a N American listing, and I have no doubt it could do wonders for increasing the exposure of RED shares to other market investors and push the share price up. In fact CGX has been thinking about removing its ASX listing, bearing in mind its major asset is Masbate in the phils, as a consequence of most of its investors are N American insto's, and possibly opening it up to a HK listing as well!

Canada and N America seems to take on Phils minerals projects far more readily than Australia so it would be a positive, but I think that RED management don't really have a plan to remove its ASX listing or whether it wants to also extend to a N American listing. RED is different to CGX in that it has got a widespread of aust based insto's on its books, whereas CGX is more focussed to the N American insto's/funds.

One thing which I did fail to see earlier, and for that I apologise Huitzii, is your comment that there is a strong Buy recommendation by Macquarie for RED. I didn't see your post as I was so excited about reading the quarterly and realised the share price was moving up and due to move higher. (I also bought a few more shares in RED this morning, just to top the portfolio up again!).

Go RED you good thing! (If Macquarie is now also pushing it then it means RED is beginning to open up to more and broader based retail investors, as well as insto's and fund managers.
 
another 4 mil os crossing after the close, getting more exciting by the day ,the more shares tied up by insto's the more upside pressure will result when news on finance is released.......:)
 
I like your conclusion Fastbuck, and agree with it too! In fact I wouldn't be surprised if we see a real move up next week once the overseas news filters through via management presentations how cheap RED is. To be honest in my entire investment career, which covers 42 years, I can't remember a share that is sitting so cheap on the market, based on fundamentals already well documented by the company and others!

Its just the doubters lingering due to previous inaction by the company, but if people don't realise that RED has really pulled its finger out and is finally gaining traction now, then no one can ever say they weren't told - us longer term RED shareholders Fastbuck will finally get the reward, and my only thought is, how many shares am I satisfied to have! I don't want to be greedy, but for me this is a once in a lifetime chance to make some easy cash! (Of course always subject to no market crash or gold price crash). I have been in the market the past week buying more, as I know once we hit 20 cents the sky is the limit!

Personally I can see a time soon when RED will be traveling northwards of 30 cents, and we will be asking why we didn't buy more! The fact that Instos and Fund managers are only now starting to get hold of stock, at prices around the placement price of 15.5 cents says to me that they are not in it for making a quick buck! Once the loose shares are gobbled up, they are going to be held till a rerating has happened, and since that will be guided by fundamental analysis we can safely expect 30 - 40 cents trading within the next few months in my opinion.

Sell at your peril, isn't that your favourite saying Fastbuck?

Good luck to all long term RED shareholders, we all deserve a change for the better due to our perseverance!
 
This is the chart that I done this morning before placing my order (5:30 AM) after seeing the Macquarie recommendation, yesterday the 10 day average crossed the 68 day average giving a positive buy signal which as I said was confirmed by Macquarie research.
If RED can break the 15.5 cent resistance on Monday morning I think we will be in for a good week.
I am by no means a chartist and am only in my second week of live trading (and surprisingly making fair results) so make what you will from my chart and defiantly don't take my advise for anything.
As fastbuck1 has already said 4 mil late trade today im keen to see who it was that bought them and more importantly who sold them?
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