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trainspotter said:
Well Abbott could have taxed the living sh1te out of everyone but instead it looks like they are going to cut their own in house spending which IMO is a good thing. When your own finance department cannot tell you how many agencies are on the government payroll you are in serious trouble. :banghead:

More than happy to my share of tax but not for it to be wasted on useless programmes that bring no real worth into the economy. Who made all the money from the $900 handouts? Ermmmm ... Harvey Norman that's who as everyone rushed out and bought a BIG TV !!
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Exactly, my thoughts too. My worry is that even if the tax payers start to seriously pay down the debt, labor gets back in and does the same thing again...:banghead::1zhelp:

One thing i will say for the liberals, they can't be accused of taking the populist route....:cool:
 
CanOz said:
Exactly, my thoughts too. My worry is that even if the tax payers start to seriously pay down the debt, labor gets back in and does the same thing again...:banghead::1zhelp:

One thing i will say for the liberals, they can't be accused of taking the populist route....:cool:
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But the Greens and the comrades of the Greens ( the Labor party) say what is the problem?....everything is rosy...... Our debt and spending is growing faster than any of the 17 richest countries in the world thanks to Labor.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ter-than-europes/story-fn59niix-1226920839651
 
What a cad this Bill Shorten is.....he must say NO, NO, NO to everything that can get this country of ours back on its feet again but refuses to come up with some alternative......we have to wait until 2016......he probably has no intelligent idea what to do except borrow $100,000,000 each day to pay for more of the usual hare brain schemes we observed 2007/2013.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ght-budget-bills/story-fni0xqrb-1226929173335
 
noco said:
What a cad this Bill Shorten is.....he must say NO, NO, NO to everything that can get this country of ours back on its feet again but refuses to come up with some alternative......we have to wait until 2016......he probably has no intelligent idea what to do except borrow $100,000,000 each day to pay for more of the usual hare brain schemes we observed 2007/2013.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ght-budget-bills/story-fni0xqrb-1226929173335
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Shorten is full of rhetoric and no substance......just an obstructionist to the improvement of our way of life.....He obviously does not want to see the Coalition succeed in bringing the economy back into line.

He could not care less about the national interest, if he did he would be offering some alternatives as a respectable opposition should......But he does not have the brains to offer the way out of the mess his party has left.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...-the-alternative/story-fni0ffxg-1226930892299
 
noco said:
Shorten is full of rhetoric and no substance......just an obstructionist to the improvement of our way of life.....He obviously does not want to see the Coalition succeed in bringing the economy back into line.

He could not care less about the national interest, if he did he would be offering some alternatives as a respectable opposition should......But he does not have the brains to offer the way out of the mess his party has left.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...-the-alternative/story-fni0ffxg-1226930892299
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Don't worry noco, whatever Labor do is fine.
How much of a backlash was there whe Labor lifted the retirement age from 65 to 67, not a murmur.

Now there are sections of the media, screaming that Abbott is lifting the retirement age from 65 to 70.
Not only are they liars, why weren't they so indignant when Labor raised the pension age. Morons
 
Julia said:
Or perhaps those who watched it once and vowed to never again waste half an hour of their time......
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Julia, it is now one hour and has a higher rating than Insiders......Labor politicians have had numerous invitations to appear on the Bolt Show but non have the courage.....they never knock back going on Insiders though.
 
sptrawler said:
Don't worry noco, whatever Labor do is fine.
How much of a backlash was there whe Labor lifted the retirement age from 65 to 67, not a murmur.

Now there are sections of the media, screaming that Abbott is lifting the retirement age from 65 to 70.
Not only are they liars, why weren't they so indignant when Labor raised the pension age. Morons
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Really, is that an excuse to raise the retirement age to 70 years of age? Of course it is not.

Stop blaming the bloody Labor party for every negative things that the Abbott Liberal Party is doing.
 
Just on the title of this thread, the Labor Party are showing themselves to be anything but useless at present, in a political sense.

They have masterfully put forward to the electorate huge misinformation re "cuts to pensions, benefits" in such a convincing fashion, (magically turning future freeze on rises in these payments or change to cpi indexation into actual cuts to present payment levels) ably abetted by Fairfax, and to a lesser extent the ABC, and the government seems powerless to provide a counter to the outrage Labor has so cleverly drummed up.

The sad thing is that if Labor/The Greens/PUP do block most of the government's Budget, continue to persuade the already ill informed electorate that they are about to have their income almost completely taken from them, then a few years down the track with debt blowing out further every year, and the interest bill becoming way more than the current $1 million per month, then there really will be something for the electorate to worry about.
 
Macquack said:
Really, is that an excuse to raise the retirement age to 70 years of age? Of course it is not.

Stop blaming the bloody Labor party for every negative things that the Abbott Liberal Party is doing.
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I watched Richo and Jones on 601 Foxtel to night and they interviewed Scott Morrison..........poor old Richo did not know which way to turn....Jones and Morrison had him tied up in knots regarding the Labor Party and in the end Richo had to concede, Labor was lying on many issues in the budget....no mention was made about the retirement age....but there is one thing I CAN tell you, I was a Plumber and Drainer in the 40's and 50's when there were no mechanical means of digging drains....we had several laborers, two who were in their early 70's who would use a pick and shovel all day....even go down 8' and all you could see was the dirt coming out of the trench.

I worked several years past that and I can tell you it does not do you any harm, in fact it will help one to stay alive......So, I am afraid I cannot accept that a majority of people would not be able to do some kind of work up until they were 70........when you look at the fact that people are now living longer due to modern medical science and stem cell research, future governments will find it most difficult to maintain the finances needed for aged welfare....

So I do not see what the fuss is all about lifting the retirement age to 70.

Work hard and live longer if you are capable.
 
I worked as a labourer building schools in the early 60s noco.

A digger and two men can prepare a site in a day now with automation which once would have taken 10 men a week.

Since the population has also increased many times, TELL ME against these sums,

Where are the jobs?
 
noco said:
... future governments will find it most difficult to maintain the finances needed for aged welfare....
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Unlike most governments in the OECD , Australia does not levy a social security tax, so we are not heavily taxed as far as the rest of the world goes. Certainly there is an aging population demographic that needs to be accounted for.

People now work full time until the day they retire, then ...nothing. What about more flexibility, so they can gradually reduce their working hours over say the last three years and job share with their successors ?

That would allow time for training and mentoring upcoming staff, as well as alleviating the symptoms of wear and tear on the body and mind of advancing age.
:)
 
explod said:
I worked as a labourer building schools in the early 60s noco.

A digger and two men can prepare a site in a day now with automation which once would have taken 10 men a week.

Since the population has also increased many times, TELL ME against these sums,

Where are the jobs?
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Yes, I noticed that when I had some extensive work done on my home. Builder rolled up with one of those mini-diggers along with various attachments. Post holes dug, trench dug, concrete ripped out, the lot. Only him and one other. Told me in the past he would have up to five workers on site but now he only needs one reliable worker and doesn't have to put up with dropkicks who have a hangover. On only one day was there an additional person and that was to assist with lifting and fitting roof panels over the deck.
 
Julia said:
They have masterfully put forward to the electorate huge misinformation re "cuts to pensions, benefits" in such a convincing fashion, (magically turning future freeze on rises in these payments or change to cpi indexation into actual cuts to present payment levels) ably abetted by Fairfax, and to a lesser extent the ABC, and the government seems powerless to provide a counter to the outrage Labor has so cleverly drummed up.
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If proposed indexation or freezing of payments or pensions results in pensioners receiving less than they would on current arrangements, then that is actually a CUT in pensions. Under an Abbott government, pensioners would receive LESS over time than they would under existing arrangements.

It's perfectly correct to say that these changes amount to a cut in pensions, there is no 'misinformation'.
 
explod said:
I worked as a labourer building schools in the early 60s noco.

A digger and two men can prepare a site in a day now with automation which once would have taken 10 men a week.

Since the population has also increased many times, TELL ME against these sums,

Where are the jobs?
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Ah yes, mechanization is a wonderful thing and it can save lots of time and cost....I have to agree with you on that point.

WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

I am pleased you raised that subject..

Firstly you do not have to rely on an employer to give you a job.....to pay you a wage every fortnight.....there is plenty of unskilled work around if you care to go looking for it.

If you are prepared to leave the comfort of your home for a few weeks at a time there are plenty of opportunities in the fruit and vegetable industry...Farmers either have to rely on back packers or bring in workers from overseas......you will be able work what ever hours you want and be paid for the amount of work you do....that is the harder you work the more you will get...you will be gathering Vitamin D to strengthen your bones and exercising your body instead of sitting in front of the TV all day twiddling your thumbs and relying upon the Government to feed you for doing nothing.

Now if you do not want to leave the comfort of your home and you have a motor mower, there are lots of opportunities around with a simple add in the local paper.

There are several distributor agencies, like Home Care, around who are always looking for people to sell their products....you drop off a catalogue, pick it up the following week with an order...no hard selling....you are paid a commission.....you are out in the Sun and exercising your body at the same time.

If you are disabled and computer literate, you will find plenty of opportunities on the net.

So there go......problem solved......work is there so all you have to do is find it....very simple.....you just have to use your brain and not your mouth.

Anything else I can help you with, just go to my PM.
 
SirRumpole said:
If proposed indexation or freezing of payments or pensions results in pensioners receiving less than they would on current arrangements, then that is actually a CUT in pensions. Under an Abbott government, pensioners would receive LESS over time than they would under existing arrangements.

It's perfectly correct to say that these changes amount to a cut in pensions, there is no 'misinformation'.
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1+. While it may disappear from the ABS web-site, this is the current information regarding the difference between the CPI and Selected Living Cost Indexes:

Households have been categorised based on the principal source of household income, derived from the 2009–10 Household Expenditure Survey (HES). The four household types in scope of the HES account for just over 90% of Australian households. The four household types that have been identified as being appropriate for the construction of these indexes, are:

Employee households (i.e. those households whose principal source of income is from wages and salaries);
Age pensioner households (i.e. those households whose principal source of income is the age pension or veterans affairs pension);
Other government transfer recipient households (i.e. those households whose principal source of income is a government pension or benefit other than the age pension or veterans affairs pension) and,
Self–funded retiree households (i.e. those households whose principal source of income is superannuation or property income and where the HES defined reference person is ‘retired’ (not in the labour force and over 55 years of age).
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And the actual differences are reflected in this current table so over time there will be a diminution if the purchasing value of the pension with is effectively a cut.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/6467.0

Don't know how to insert a table so apologies for a simple link.

The Government at one stage also published the Treasury Measure of Underlying Inflation in order to smooth out seasonal variations and a number of payments were based on this. However, it was done away with a few years ago because, yep, the trend over time was greater than the CPI itself. Gotta love stats.
 
SirRumpole said:
If proposed indexation or freezing of payments or pensions results in pensioners receiving less than they would on current arrangements, then that is actually a CUT in pensions. Under an Abbott government, pensioners would receive LESS over time than they would under existing arrangements.

It's perfectly correct to say that these changes amount to a cut in pensions, there is no 'misinformation'.
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We'll have to just disagree on this. Particularly in the context of what many pensioners believe to be happening which is that the amount currently being received is going to be reduced. Listen to a few radio talk back programs and you'll get it.
 
Julia said:
We'll have to just disagree on this. Particularly in the context of what many pensioners believe to be happening which is that the amount currently being received is going to be reduced. Listen to a few radio talk back programs and you'll get it.
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Some pensioners may be confused, but you can hardly blame the Labor party for that. They are not there to defend the Coalition's policies, and the word 'cuts' is valid in real terms.

As you have rightly pointed out before, it's up to the Coalition to explain their policies. The fact that they are having difficulty doing that, up to this point at least, may lead one to believe that their policies really are as unfair as the Opposition says they are.

Oh, PS,

Just a question on a previous post of yours, you said the interest bill on our debt was a million dollars a month. Joe Hockey said in Parliament that it's a billion a month. Was he wrong ?

<smile>
 
SirRumpole said:
Oh, PS,

Just a question on a previous post of yours, you said the interest bill on our debt was a million dollars a month. Joe Hockey said in Parliament that it's a billion a month. Was he wrong ?

<smile>
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Indeed it should have been a billion per month, Rumpole. I am indebted to you for the correction.:)
 
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