Useless Labor Party

[noco]

Honestly I'm having a hard time believing you're really this dense.

You high lighted a percentage of 6.1%...I just want you to explain where the 6.6% comes in on those statistics....Once again I should remind you the Palaszczuk Labor Government came into office in February 2015.

 

[boofhead]

Go to page 4 of the ABS PDF that Ves linked to. It has the Nov and Dec 2014 for each state.

 

[noco]

Go to page 4 of the ABS PDF that Ves linked to. It has the Nov and Dec 2014 for each state.

I believe this is where the variation comes into the equation.... The data I quoted (6.1%) was actual unemployment figures according to to the Queensland Government Statistics......The figure of 6.6% Ves is quoting was only a trend by the ABS and was seasonally adjusted in December 2014 to 6.1%.

Do you agree with that?

 

[Ves]

I believe this is where the variation comes into the equation.... The data I quoted (6.1%) was actual unemployment figures according to to the Queensland Government Statistics......The figure of 6.6% Ves is quoting was only a trend by the ABS and was seasonally adjusted in December 2014 to 6.1%.

Do you agree with that?

It doesn't say 6.1% for Queensland. The 6.1% is in the Australian column.

It also says in the footnotes down the bottom:

(a) Data are based on 12-month average.(b) Original series.
Source: ABS 6202.0, Labour Force, Australia, Jun 2016

 

[noco]

It doesn't say 6.1% for Queensland. The 6.1% is in the Australian column.

It also says in the footnotes down the bottom:

Well, actually it does mention QUEENSLAND......You will note the trends and then to the right are the seasonally adjusted figures which indicates very clearly 6.1% in December 2014 on page 4 ABS....I would say the seasonally adjusted figures would take precedent over trend figures which you seem to be referring to.

When Anna Bligh was in government she was committed to creating 100,000 jobs in her first year.....T o assist her in obtaining that figure, she enrolled another 14,000 public servants....Most were not gainfully employed as Campbell Newman found out and in his endeavor to reduce government spending, those 14,000 were made redundant, most of whom were absorbed into private industry.

Then along come Annastacia Palaszczuk who in her wisdom decides to re-engage another 14,000 public servants in the past 2 years..

All of this must have an influence on the unemployment trend.

 

[Ves]

Well, actually it does mention QUEENSLAND......You will note the trends and then to the right are the seasonally adjusted figures which indicates very clearly 6.1% in December 2014 on page 4 ABS....I would say the seasonally adjusted figures would take precedent over trend figures which you seem to be referring to.

Just to clarify I was talking about the page you linked from the QLD Gov site, not the ABS report I linked. Which is where you copy/pasted the figures from in the post that you made and I quoted.

 

[noco]

Hey sport, watch your tongue, Joe Blow is doing his best to stamp out character assassination and ridicule.

Most of us are fulfilling his request...So do the right thing and keep it clean.

Just to clarify I was talking about the page you linked from the QLD Gov site, not the ABS report I linked. Which is where you copy/pasted the figures from in the post that you made and I quoted.

Well, if you are referring to the link I presented from the Queensland Government statistician, it clearly shows 6.1% and not 6.6%....So I am not sure what you are trying to clarify.

 

[Ves]

Well, if you are referring to the link I presented from the Queensland Government statistician, it clearly shows 6.1% and not 6.6%....So I am not sure what you are trying to clarify.

Refer post #1324.

The 6.1% figure in the QLD report you posted is for Australia not QLD.

It's also not from the QLD Gov statistician. The data they are using in the QLD report is sourced from the ABS.

 

[overhang]

Well, actually it does mention QUEENSLAND......You will note the trends and then to the right are the seasonally adjusted figures which indicates very clearly 6.1% in December 2014 on page 4 ABS....I would say the seasonally adjusted figures would take precedent over trend figures which you seem to be referring to.

In the ABC fact check article Ves linked earlier it states

The Australian Bureau of Statistics has advised Fact Check that trend data, as opposed to seasonally adjusted data, is a preferable measure.

But Fact Check has used the ABS's trend data throughout this piece, because the ABS says it is a better measure.

"The trend is always the better estimate, it smooths the seasonally adjusted out so it is less volatile. It gives you a better measure of the underlying strengths of what's going on in the labour market," Mr Collett said.

Seasonal adjustment "is a means of removing the estimated effects of normal seasonal variation from the series so that the effects of other influences on the series can be more clearly recognised," the ABS says in its labour force publications.

Trend data, on the other hand, "reduces the impact of the irregular component of the seasonally adjusted series" and is "used to analyse the underlying behaviour of a series over time".

The trend data shows that in December 2014 under Newmans government the unemployment rate was 6.6%, the 2016 December unemployment rate under Palaszczuk was 6.1%.

 

[Tisme]

Well, if you are referring to the link I presented from the Queensland Government statistician, it clearly shows 6.1% and not 6.6%....So I am not sure what you are trying to clarify.

I'm guessing you wished you hadn't opened the lid on this issue. By now you would have realised that raw data is what keeps statisticians in work.

 

[drsmith]

Oops!

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business...d/news-story/750135b2fef524065f3a9d43b4bbae49

 

[PZ99]

CentreScare! lol

 

[Tisme]

CentreScare! lol

Has this become Bill Shorten's fault yet?

 

[PZ99]

Has this become Bill Shorten's fault yet?

Indeed. Only the ALP is responsible for these policies

 

[sptrawler]

WOW, Labor are suggesting apprenticeships and training, now the boom is over, silly Billy front and centre.

Jeez I love the thick skin these muppets wear, why weren't they cranking up apprenticeships, when they were in the middle of the mining boom.
Politicians must have a button on the side of their heads, that re formats their brain.IMO

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/8ca79b389d86f2b366dda7daa32d4ef0

Here is a chart of 457 visas, during the 2008- 20012 Labor run mining boom.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/06/27/glance-457-visa-holders-australia

I didn't see the same enthusiasm by Labor then for apprenticeships, I remember Gina getting a free reign to use 457's at Roy Hill.lol
Snake oil salesmen.IMO

In reality, the W.A election will be a real test of the BS the media puts out, they are saying Barnett will be creamed.

Let's wait and see

 

[noco]

I am utterly sick of both Bill Shorten and Malcolm Turnbull's rhetoric every time they front the media...JOBS...JOBS....JOBS but neither say how they will be created.

2500 jobs to go when Toyota close their doors.......800 jobs to go when Hazelwood power station closes plus all the jobs that are allied in those towns....On Paul Murray tonight six people were interviewed in the town of Morwell and all were concerned how the closure will affect business in Morwell resulting in more going on the unemployment heap and leave the town to go else where to find work.

 

[sptrawler]

It is starting to heat up at last, it is about time, wank!ng on over same sex marriage and asylum seekers, isn't cutting it for the silent majority.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-08/turnbull-and-shorten-trade-barbs-during-question-time/8252540
What the politicians have to ask is, how can it be right for pensioners, single parent families and every other welfare recipient to be questioned?
When they don't question Julia Gillard, John Howard and numerous other politicians, getting a tax payer funded obscene pension, without it affecting the tax on other income they earn? That's from my understanding.
It is a bit like the super surcharge impost, politicians didn't have to pay it, Judges didn't have to pay it, senior public servants didn't have to pay it, only plebs had to pay it.lol

 

[Tisme]

It is starting to heat up at last, it is about time, wank!ng on over same sex marriage and asylum seekers, isn't cutting it for the silent majority.

I think it's all too late. Perhaps most of us are consigned to the idea of government being a lame duck and social engineering of marriages and sexual orientations a fait accompli.

Both these blokes are going to try on flannel shirts to steer the working class away from Hanson.

The only ones who enjoy it for the moral wins are the sycophantic Barnaby Joyces and similar types on both sides of the house. Many of us who are disconnected with parties see it as score in a sport we don't really like.

Pub test last night = more interested in the imminent rain.

 

[noco]

What has Daniel Andrews got to hide?...He is has done nothing wrong, then he has nothing to fear.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s/news-story/3b74404a75fb601539c79923e5be6980

 

[drsmith]

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/for-sale-signs-to-bring-new-life-to-schools-ng-b88381011z

If you’ve ever fancied living in your own school, complete with a cricket pitch and basketball courts, now’s your chance.

Buntine Primary School, 300km north of Perth in the heart of wheat, sheep and wildflower country, came on to the market last week — and it’s a steal at $80,000.

Also up for sale is Latham Primary School, 30km down the road, for an asking price of $70,000.

Both schools were closed by the Education Department in 2015 after student numbers dropped below 15.

During a national schools building program run by a previous Labor Federal government, Buntine primary was given a $450,000 multi-purpose classroom and Latham primary got a $650,000 covered assembly area.

Useless Labor Party.