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Shorten has only self interest and absolutely no National interest....He is doing everything in his power to stop Abbott achieving a budget surplus.......

We need Shorten like a hole in the head.



IN the house of the hanged, said Cervantes, it is unseemly to talk about the noose. But someone needs to remind Bill Shorten of Labor’s fiscal record. From 2010 on, every day brought pledges of a speedy return to surplus; in the end, all Labor left was a sea of red ink.

Given that record, one might have expected the Opposition Leader to do whatever he could to re-establish Labor’s fiscal credib*ility. Instead, while opposing virtually every savings measure the government has proposed, he has had nothing to say about what Labor would put in their place.

In part, Shorten’s goal is to ensure Tony Abbott can’t deliver the surplus Labor so spectacularly failed to achieve. But his approach also reflects a simple assessment: that voters prefer vast unfunded promises to bitter budget realities. And far from helping the electorate confront the home truths, Shorten has opted to fuel its illusions.

For sure, Shorten vaunts the Hawke government’s achievements, including the tough budgets of 1987-89; but he praises those efforts only so as to bury them. Placing hurdles rather than handrails on the path to fiscal sustainability, Shorten remains wedded to the recklessness of the Rudd and Gillard years.

Unfortunately, Shorten is not alone in turning his back on economic good sense. Beginning 30 years ago, from New Zealand to Scandinavia, centre-left governments reined in welfare programs, cut taxes and opened markets to competition. Now, with even the usually moderate Swedish social democrats endorsing a hard-left, “red-green’’ coalition, that era is well and truly over.

The change reflects perceptions of electoral realities. Origin*ally, centre-left theorists thought that embracing a “third way’’ would broaden their electoral appeal without compromising their working-class constituency; like Richard Nixon going to China, their positioning on the Left meant they, and only they, could afford to take the tough measures needed to ensure prosperity. As a result, good policies and good politics would march hand in hand.

Events, however, have not borne out those expectations. On the contrary, the traditional social-democratic voting base has fractured, shifting partly to further-left parties, such as the Greens, partly to centre-right parties, and partly to neo-populist movements that better express that base’s cultural values.

As for the more affluent voters, they have proven costly to attract and retain, leaving the Centre-Left stranded.

Denmark is a case in point. In the 1970s, 55 per cent of manual workers voted for the social democrats. However, starting in 1993, far-reaching reforms tightened elig*ibility for social benefits, linking them more closely to retraining and strengthening work-availability tests.

The “flexisecurity’’ those reforms provided bolstered Denmark’s labour market; but the social democrats’ traditional electorate withered away.

By the 2001 election, 30 per cent of unskilled workers voted for the neo-populist Danish People’s Party, while only 25 per cent remained with the social democrats.

And the centre-right Venstre party also picked up working-class votes, as the party’s commitment to reduce taxes was more credible than that of its centre-left rivals.

Similar trends have occurred in Germany, where the social democrats came to power in 1998 committed to capturing the middle ground.

Under chancellor Gerhard Schroder, the SPD-led government’s “Agenda 2010’’ reshaped the German labour market, raising the pension age and nearly halving the ratio of unemployment benefits to previous earnings. The economic benefits proved durable and substantial; but the political costs were also high.

In 1998, 46 per cent of unionised workers and lower-tier service sector employees had voted for the SPD; by 2009, that share was down to 20 per cent. Faced with those trends, the SPD has reversed course, demanding, as the price of its participation in Chancellor Angela Merkel’s “grand coalition’’, measures which undo key parts of the Agenda 2010 changes.

As well as lowering the pension age in a country massively affect*ed by population ageing and imposing rent control in major cities, those measures include introducing a minimum wage that will affect about 14 per cent of workers nationwide. That risks pricing unskilled workers, such as migrant women, out of the jobs that have boomed in recent years; however, like its Australian counterpart, the SPD values the gains higher wages will bring its core constituency more than the pain unemployment will inflict on the poor and vulnerable.

But whether jettisoning good policy will yield enduring electoral dividends is far from certain. The reality is that since the 1970s, support for centre-right parties has tended to rise, while that for centre-left parties has fallen virtually everywhere, with changes in party line having few lasting effects.

Nor are the centre-left parties’ woes surprising, as they are trying to do the impossible: to preserve the publicly funded employment on which unions now overwhelmingly rely; to entrench labour-market regulations that favour insiders at the community’s expense; to retain social security systems whose costs continue to mount; and yet to attract the votes of an ever-expanding but tax-shy middle class, without which they cannot govern. Little wonder their rhetoric has drifted into incoherence.

But while the political benefits of the Centre-Left’s flight from reality are uncertain, the economic costs are not. And, as French President Francois Hollande has discovered, those costs eventually inflict a crippling electoral price.

None of that, however, will deflect Shorten from the approach he has adopted. That would require a willingness to sacrifice immediate gains for longer-term consequences, like John Howard did in supporting the Hawke government’s reforms. Ultimately, Howard benefited too, as those efforts left a surer basis for sustainable growth, while the show of responsibility strengthened Howard’s authority.

But Howard had convictions; Shorten only has interests. Believing nothing, he hopes voters will believe anything. Yet the mess Labor left behind cannot be so readily forgotten. Unless Shorten learns from it, Labor will join the brain dead of international social democracy; and the noose that swung for Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard will also swing for him.

Shorten fuels the voters’ illusions

The Australian
July 07, 2014 12:00AM

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Henry Ergas
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Between the Green/Labor socialist left wing Party and PUP, havoc, chaos and confusion reigns supreme all in the National interest.

I have never seen in all my born days such stupidity that is currently taking place in politics today....Several warnings have been given by prominent economists and the RBA and still this stupid Labor Party continues on with disruptive tactics to wreck the economy of Australia......They should hang their heads in shame.

THE federal budget will never get close to being fixed if the Senate forces the government to spend money it doesn’t have on tax cuts and handouts it never promised.

Amid all the Palmer drama last week and confusion about the carbon tax repeal, two big decisions were made that raise questions about whether non-government senators are going beyond any mandate they might have and if such actions make future campaign promises by the party that wins an election meaningless.

It is one thing for the Senate to hold a government to account, or to take the rough edges off a policy, but it is wrong for the house of review to try to overthrow the government’s explicit mandate.

The Senate has created an absurd position where it is forcing the government to deliver tax cuts Labor had abolished and keep payments that Tony Abbott repeatedly said he would axe.

This is entirely different to the post-election decisions to impose a deficit tax on high-income earners, which breaks a promise not to increase taxes, or the $7 GP co-payment that was never mentioned before polling day.

Labor’s position on the $700 million a year in income tax cuts is base political hypocrisy.

These tax cuts were dumped by Julia Gillard and Wayne Swan in May last year on the eve of Labor’s last budget.

They had been intended as a second round of minor compensation next year under original plans for the carbon price to reach $29 a tonne.

But Labor said they were not needed as an expected 0.2 per cent rise in prices was not going to happen. Labor dropped the tax cut, booked the saving in its budget but never got around to doing the paper work.

Last week, when the Coalition sought to put through the legislation to clean this up, Labor suddenly voted to keep the tax cuts, saying they would protect low- and middle-income families from spending cuts. It joined with the Greens and the crossbench to punch another $2 billion hole in the budget over three years.

The tax cuts are worth $1.59 a week to people earning between $25,000 and $65,000. For those on $70,000, there’s an extra $1.21 a week, while people earning more than $80,000 receive 25c a week.

What game is Labor playing? Its election costings assumed the tax cut was abolished and it now offers no saving elsewhere to pay for it.

The government is being forced to spend money it doesn’t have to deliver a promise it never made that was dropped by a former government 14 months ago.

Money bills can’t originate in the Senate but the upper house is also using a tax cut to compensate people for something that isn’t going to happen as compensation for a set of spending cuts that are being blocked.

The other big hit on the budget was delivered by Clive Palmer, when he abruptly said his Palmer United Party senators would vote against removing some of the big spending linked to the mining tax repeal legislation, at a cost of about $8bn-9bn.

This includes the Schoolkids Bonus, a superannuation tax cut of up to $500 for 3.6 million low-paid workers and tax breaks for small business.

The Prime Minister could not have been clearer that he was going to abolish these payments. There were no weasel words or fine print hidden in costings.

He made a virtue of the unpopular decisions he was willing to take to fix the budget. He said they were linked to the mining tax that failed to raise the revenue to pay for them and when he got rid of the tax they would go too.

The biggest risk he took was saying he would axe the Schoolkids Bonus, describing it as a “cash splash with borrowed money”.

In the 2010 election, Abbott had tried to outbid Labor by offering a bigger, non-means tested, handout.

Now, by dumping it, Abbott insis*ted he would not shirk hard decisions.

He would end the payment for about 1.3 million eligible families of $410 a year for each child in prim*ary school and $820 for each child at secondary school.

Labor relentlessly highlighted during the election that, under Abbot*t,* a family with two kids would lose payments worth about $15,000 over their school life.

These were potentially vote-losing policies. Labor campaigned hard against the unfairness of each measure.

It made strong arguments direct*ly to the people and lost.

Regardless of whether these are good or bad policies, the government was clear about what it would do.

It’s a bit rich for Labor to attack Abbott for breaking other promises when they are forcing him to break pledges he is trying to keep just because they don’t like them.

Palmer, however, is a shameless populist wanting to play havoc with Abbott’s agenda and the budget.

Palmer wants to spend billions of dollars of borrowed money with no credible or costed plan to raise matching revenue.

It all seems to be based on the Magic Palmer Money Tree that certainly sounds too good to be true.

When he is put on the spot, he rattles off a list of discredited savings ideas and blusters that the government has “got plenty of money (and) Joe Hockey’s just pulling your leg”.

Palmer is campaigning for the next election but doesn’t like it when questions scratch below his facade, whether it relates to his business affairs, political negotiations or policies.

He’ll be at it again today, seeking to be the centre of attention over the carbon tax.

It suits Bill Shorten and Labor for Abbott to look like he is not in control and for the budget to be a shambles.

But they all should all heed the warning by Reserve Bank governor Glenn Stevens in The Weekend Australian that political leaders deferring tough decisions to tackle the budget deficit could expose Australia to a much greater risk of a more serious economic downturn when the next one does occur.

And then the sorts of spending cuts and revenue grabs a government might be forced to make might be truly unpalatable.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...e-choices-closer/story-fnmnl1y0-1226987520382
 
Joe Hockey gave Labor a pretty big serve in QT today on matters budget.

Doc, that is all well and good but doubt if the Green/Labor socialists will change their stupid attitude for the good of the Nation
 
Seriously Labor, if you want to cut back on fossil fuel use, and you've been shafted by the greens in achieving this, why can't you support the extra revenue from having fuel tax indexation.

It's not like we're overly taxed on petrol - 4th lowest in the OECD.

It's a reasonable revenue raiser, it will slowly push people to buy more efficient cars, it helps to broaden the tax base away from teh current over reliance on income taxes.

Support it and let the Government wear most of the blame, and you can thumb ya nose at the greens for being the hypocritical party.
 

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Seriously Labor, if you want to cut back on fossil fuel use, and you've been shafted by the greens in achieving this, why can't you support the extra revenue from having fuel tax indexation.

It's not like we're overly taxed on petrol - 4th lowest in the OECD.

It's a reasonable revenue raiser, it will slowly push people to buy more efficient cars, it helps to broaden the tax base away from teh current over reliance on income taxes.

Support it and let the Government wear most of the blame, and you can thumb ya nose at the greens for being the hypocritical party.

I agree Syd Labor seem to be playing from Abbotts opposition hymn book .....shame
 
Billy boy's going to have his hands full promoting his great big second hand tax on everything.
 
Support it and let the Government wear most of the blame, and you can thumb ya nose at the greens for being the hypocritical party.

Alternatively the Greens, if they had intelligent leadership, could support it and 'thumb ya nose" at Labor for being the hppocritical party.

Unfortunately Milne and Hanson-Young are too dumb to realise that it would restore to the Greens some relevance in the Senate which they have lost to the PUPs.
 
Billy boy's going to have his hands full promoting his great big second hand tax on everything.

Maybe not. Given there's already a 70% chance of an el nino next year, and the fact that there's never been so much heat in the water heading towards Australia in the records currently available, if next year turns out to be a long hot angry summer the electorate may just start to ask themselves if the removal of the carbon tax that barely gave them a couple of coffees a week in savings may not have been such a bad insurance policy against the worst.

Until Labor can actually start acting like an alternative Govt, and they're really giving up a great opportunity at present to show they can actually guide us through the mining CAPEX cliff better than the current Govt, I don't like their chances.

If Abbott and Hockey can't bring themselves to follow some of the advice they get in their tax review, we're all stuffed. Shame they couldn't bring themselves to actually use some of the Henry Tax review. Shame Labor couldn't be bothered with it too.
 
Given there's already a 70% chance of an el nino next year, and the fact that there's never been so much heat in the water heading towards Australia in the records currently available, if next year turns out to be a long hot angry summer the electorate may just start to ask themselves if the removal of the carbon tax that barely gave them a couple of coffees a week in savings may not have been such a bad insurance policy against the worst.

Even allowing for the worst case scenario weather wise, do you think the electorate would believe that had the carbon tax been retained the weather would have been any different? Australia's contribution to emissions, though high per head of population, is relatively insignificant in absolute terms. Only the loonies on the very left, like Robert Manne writing in The Guardian last week, assume that Abbott has hastened the demise of the world by repealing the tax.
 
Even allowing for the worst case scenario weather wise, do you think the electorate would believe that had the carbon tax been retained the weather would have been any different? Australia's contribution to emissions, though high per head of population, is relatively insignificant in absolute terms. Only the loonies on the very left, like Robert Manne writing in The Guardian last week, assume that Abbott has hastened the demise of the world by repealing the tax.

I doubt even Milne would believe the pricing of carbon would have any effect on near term weather events, but during the last long drought voters became increasingly worried about what was happening. Howard increasingly looked out of touch on the subject. The same could happen to Abbott depending on how the weather goes over the next couple of years.

The below graphs shows just how insignificant the carbon tax impost was on Australian businesses. If a maximum cost increase of <= 0.184% has sent businesses broke then I'd argue they had much bigger problems that were the real cause of their demise.

I'll keep hoping Labor can start offering some better socially acceptable alternatives to Abbott's slash and burn budget. With so many holes in the tax system it doesn't take much to bring in the revenue and make the system fairer.
 

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Shorten might be long on compassion but it is only skin deep....he is playing the naive for fools and they are lapping it up but sooner or later many will wake up to this Fabian indoctrinated Green/Labor socialist left wing rhetoric.

And from the www.restoreaustralia.org.au

There is no real difference between Fabianism and Leninist Communism. Both their goals are to impose collectivism. Communism sought to impose collectivism using overwhelming force. We have seen how that failed.

The Fabianists believe in achieving their aims by stealth. They were opposed to the violent revolutions in Russia and China. Instead, they prefer to infiltrate into positions of power and then go about implementing their socialist agenda step by step. They operate so stealthily and operate so slowly, chipping away at the very fabric of society little by little, that most people don’t even notice they have lost their freedom until it is too late. At the same time, the Fabianists are extremely skilled at manipulating public opinion using emotive causes that sound so attractive that most people miss the sinister purpose behind them.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...ng-on-compassion/story-fnhulhjj-1226996579255
 
=noco;833575]Shorten might be long on compassion but it is only skin deep....he is playing the naive for fools and they are lapping it up but sooner or later many will wake up to this Fabian indoctrinated Green/Labor socialist left wing rhetoric.



And how do you really know all this noco?

I am no fan of Labor or Shorten, but just have a good look at the unsubstantiated dribble you have just written.

One could say a lot about Abbott shooting off at the mouth too. Update developments on the airline crash for starters.
 
Maybe not. Given there's already a 70% chance of an el nino next year, and the fact that there's never been so much heat in the water heading towards Australia in the records currently available, if next year turns out to be a long hot angry summer the electorate may just start to ask themselves if the removal of the carbon tax that barely gave them a couple of coffees a week in savings may not have been such a bad insurance policy against the worst.
An El-Nino is associated with anomalously warm waters over the eastern equatorial Pacific, not around Australia.
 
And how do you really know all this noco?

I am no fan of Labor or Shorten, but just have a good look at the unsubstantiated dribble you have just written.

One could say a lot about Abbott shooting off at the mouth too. Update developments on the airline crash for starters.

plod I have posted this link before but I happy to post it again for you to read....If you maintain it is unsubstantiated dribble then make sure you read this link from top to bottom.

http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/fabians-and-pm-gillard/ 25/06/2014 5 KB
 


My sincere apologies noco.

However, on the fabian's you can in no way exclude the Libs.

The author indicates a few extreme views also. Could be worth a full dissasertion ole Pal.

If not familiar I recommend you purchase the June issue of New Dawn.
 


My sincere apologies noco.

However, on the fabian's you can in no way exclude the Libs.

The author indicates a few extreme views also. Could be worth a full dissasertion ole Pal.

If not familiar I recommend you purchase the June issue of New Dawn.

I believe you may be talking about something that happened in America in 1921.
 
I believe you may be talking about something that happened in America in 1921.

A big can of worms here, too much to express on my hand held phone, so will get back in a few days.

In the interim a book "The Grand Deception" 2011 by Prof. Dr. Mujahid Kamran could start a detailed perception.

But not referring to.US 1921 noco, just who really controls the world.
 
Greg Combet wasn't silly enough to lead the pile of ruins Julia Gillard left,

An embattled Julia Gillard secretly offered to stand down as Prime Minister in June 2013 and secure the leadership for then Climate Change and Industry minister Greg Combet in order to fend off Kevin Rudd, Mr Combet has revealed.

But dogged by months of ill-health, and unsure that a switch to a third leadership contender so close to an election would improve Labor’s position, Mr Combet declined the chance to be prime minister.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...er-to-fend-off-kevin-rudd-20140724-zwd9z.html
 
The ultimate aim of the Labor Party has not changed from what they call democratic socialism and they will try and achieve it what ever it takes.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-rewrite-purpose/story-fnbcok0h-1227003410284

The party’s driving mission since 1921, according to its constit*ution, has been to implement democratic socialism. This foolish statement was adopted in the shadow of the Russian Revolution and after the split in the party following World War I, as the party was radicalised. The socialist objective defines the party’s central purpose as “the democratic socialisation of production, distribution and exchange, to the extent necessary to eliminate exploit*ation … in these fields”.

NSW Labor, traditionally the party’s most moderate and pragmatic branch, opposed the decis*ion by the federal conference to impose the objective. But it was dir*ected nationally that this was to be the party’s purpose, even though no Labor government has sought to follow it to the letter.

Recognising that it was an alba*tross, changes were made in the 1950s to make the objective applicable “only to the extent necessary” and to iterate that the party believed in “democratic” socialism. An extensive 1981 review made no change to the core statement.

Momentum is building within the party for a rewrite of Labor’s guiding philosophy at the national conference scheduled for July next year, in Melbourne. It cannot recommit to socialism.

This offers the party the chance to develop a clear statement of values to guide future policy development and its approach to governing. The party should free itself of the clunky, doctrinaire, utterly unworkable language that shackles it to the past.

The objective, always impractical, fails to accept that economic mobility and opportunity is created by a dynamic, efficient and productive economy energised by competitive capital, labour and product markets.

Gough Whitlam, Hawke, Paul Keating and Kevin Rudd argue that the objective should be abolished. However, several federal Labor shadow ministers aligned to the Left faction, such as Stephen Jones and Doug Cameron, have lined up against Shorten to defend socialism. So has Labor’s national president Jenny McAllister.
 
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