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Brujo
yep, you qualified that comment at the time (get over 9/11) - still you said it was food for thought, so .. I was just "chewing it over"

Giuliani sure isn't about to forget. Arguably too far the other way (never was prepared to talk to them even before 9/11).

Interesting article in Time about President Fuhgeddaboutit (Rudiy Giuliani is apparently frontrunner for Republican ticket) - current NY Mayor. Not even prepared to talk to Arabs - "in 1995 he unceremoniously kicked Arafat out of the UN related concert for world leaders at the Lincoln Centre - just after Israel agreed to Palestinian self rule" - Clinton administration were courting Arafat at the time, but Giuliani said "I would not invite Arafat to anything anywhere any place." etc. As Time concludes "when it comes to diplomacy, Fuhgeddaboutit"

"The second incident occurred just after 9/11. Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Tala handed Giuliani a cheque for USD $10 million to help relief efforts, but the cheque was accompanied by a press release in which the Prince said it was time to get to the roots of the problem in the Middle East, which included Palestinians "slaughtered" by Israel "while the world turns thye other cheek". Giuliani refused to accept the money. "There is no moral equivalent [for the 9/11 attacks]" he said. "And to suggest that there's a justification for it only invites this happening in thefuture. It is highly irresponsible and very very dangerous."

They (TIME) go on to say that they probably would do the same (paraphrasing), BUT "there is a difference between what is appropriate for a mayor and what is appropriate for a President" "'I don't forget' is not a sufficiently flexible foreign policy doctrine"

The following is NOT the same TIME article, just someone (US) writing to the editor at TIME.
meanwhile he is apparently frontrunner... Both McCain or Giuliani seem locked into prolonging the Iraq war it seems (as I read it). despite " growing public calls for US troops to return home rapidly". You would have to expect that there's a good chance that Democrats will get in in 2008 yes?
 
Correction to prevoius - Mayor of NY until Dec 2001.
Just to get back on thread - he was tough on crime and was pretty successful apparently..

But again , that TIME article summarises that "The next US President is going to haveto be a nimble diplomat, willing ttalk tocountries people don't like and leaders considered abhorrent".

As that lady implies in her letter to the editor, when you're in a mess like the world is in at the moment, you have to be a bit pragmatic surely.
This is the legacy of GW Bush - others will have to sort it out.
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200705/s1911471.htm
gee this must have been a tough decision
doh
 
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