I do not know about each union or workplace in Australia and frankly I do not care. All I know is at the floor level we would have been screwed over many times if we did not have our our unions protecting us. You know, real experiences in my and my families workplaces. I still have a family member working for a large supermarket chain, they still try to get away with certain things that go against the present enterprise agreement. All they need to do is stick to the rules. What a casino does up in north Queensland is of no interest to me, sorry, I can't look out for the whole country.
The problem is Bill M stated the unions do not have any connection with Greens and we all know they have accepted lots of donation from the unions.
You can't look after the whole country?????Well, stop praising the corrupt unions...The unions are only looking after themselves just as politicians do I am sorry to say.
I have never stated anything like that. I think you mixing me up with someone else.
I praise whoever looks after the pleb on the tools/the shop floor that needs a voice and can't defend themselves. I have given you more than enough examples of how bosses or companies rip off innocent workers. Nothing more needs to said on the matter.
I guess i worked for a fair and reasonable business for many years and i'm a little tainted by that. If someone is legally entitled to something under an act, law or agreement, then an employer should honor that. For a supervisor or manager to deny that is just plain poor management practice.
for my own interest, which union is this? if private feel free to PM/abstain
Thanks Smurf, have to say I never heard of CEPU until today which probably is a good thing: not aiming on publicity but real work.I'm a member of the CEPU (Communications, Electrical and Plumbing Union).
I've worked as a tradesman "on the tools" and I've also been a boss. I've had good bosses and bad just as I've encountered good staff and bad. I've also encountered good unions and dud ones so I've seen most of what can go wrong and what can go right.
I did not accuse you at all.
Perhaps you should read my post #37 again and you will note it was directed to explod and not you.
Nothing more to be said???????...Looks like you have lost your argument about your righteous corrupt unions and don't like what I have told you....You just do not want to hear about their dirty deals which do not favor the employees.
90% of what I've seen unions do relates to simply enforcing the law. The rest relates to comparing one employer with another and arguing that employees working for x shouldn't be substantially worse off than what the rest of the market is offering for comparable work.
Ideally we shouldn't need unions to do that but in practice we do. An individual employee quite likely won't be able to afford the cost of professional legal assistance should it become necessary whereas a union can and will pool resources to make it happen.
If employers wanted to get rid of unions then all they need to do is make them obsolete by simply following the letter of the law. Someone is supposed to be paid x, well then pay them x without question. Someone is bullied by their manager - OK then, bring in a private investigator and if necessary sack the manager. Etc. Some employers do the right thing but there will always be some who don't and that's where unions become necessary.
Over the years I've worked for brilliant bosses and terrible ones as have many. So long as there are duds around there will be a role for unions just as we'll need police so long as we have criminals. If everyone just followed the law then we could do away with unions, police, courts, lawyers and so on and save a fortune but I can't see it happening.
It is in post #40 you said "The problem is Bill M stated the unions do not have any connection with Greens". I never said this, please try to stay focused and stop saying things that aren't true.
There is corruption all around us nocco, from government, big business, unions, police and every other organisation out there and of course the union being no exemption. If there is wrong doing then it needs to be fixed, that is not up to me or you, it is up to those in power.
The dealings that I have had with 3 different unions in my life were all about helping the membership at floor level. Looking after conditions, hours of work, safety etc. When I was a delegate for 2 years I never got paid for it and rarely did I ever get any time off for training. It was unpaid work and sometimes carried over into my own time. looking after people on the shop floor, the lowest paid in the workforce is what I care about, these are the people that get cheated the most. (many example above) Unions in some workplaces are as relevant now as what they have always been. Many have said, in a perfect situation you have good staff and good bosses and you don't need Unions, good and well. I agree but unfortunately it is not a perfect world out there.
I would still like your comment on the dirty deals down by unions who exploited the workers to gain cash for the union coffers....Do you still consider these corrupt unions did the right thing by the workers of those companies I mentioned previously?...And what about the corrupt CFMEU?...They are rotten to the core.
I still say we do not need corrupt unions when we have Fair Work Australia......Unionism has past its use by date...This is the 21 st century not the 19th.
Typical issue, after 4 hours of continuous work each employee is entitled to a 10 minute toilet break. Do you know how many times a day a supermarket breaches this rule per day? It would work better to have a delegate on the ground making sure all the staff get their entitlements as per agreement rather than running to FWA for minor issues.
Worked for an Oz corporation back in the mid seventies that made sure the various boards included a quota of union representation ... seems to have worked well because it is now a dominant world player in its field. The company had a novel idea that team play and genuine employee inclusion might be of benefit to the collective and profit.
They weren’t all upscale dining spots. The statement is littered with charges from McDonald’s, Red Rooster, Donut Land and Cactus Jack’s.
The Palaszczuk Government used its final parliamentary sitting week in December last year to reverse a Newman government edict that union bosses must publish credit-card statements.
Let's have all union leaders publishing their credit card statements, as well as all company executives and all politicians.
Any problems with that ?
So I hope you can appreciate there is a difference.
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