Union Corruption

[qldfrog]

That's astraya for ya! Honestly I've not seen a country with more us vs. them attitude than Australia. Must be the eureka rebellion in the blood

Should have seen France in the 1980....But now both companies and employees are screwed so equal at last!!!
Socialism achieved: checked!

 

[Tink]

Churches and Boy Scouts are natural attractants to Pedophiles;
Theatre, Stage and TV are natural attractants to Homosexuals and Jews;
Public Service sends out pheromones to entice the less inventive and ordered amongst us;
Union leadership roles attract those with a score to settle with blood sucking leeches;
Party politicians are arrogant self serving 4rse7oles who join a political union that best makes a path to the gravy train.

All of them form a union of similar interests of some sort

Tisme, always good to hear your opinion, but I would say pedophiles are where the children are.

I am still waiting for someone to do an investigation into this safe school propaganda, that supposedly has pedophiles in the ranks.
La Trobe University.

How about Monash University where one was picked up last week.

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/f...t=25851&page=6&p=903407&viewfull=1#post903407

 

[Bill M]

That's astraya for ya! Honestly I've not seen a country with more us vs. them attitude than Australia. Must be the eureka rebellion in the blood

You know why this happens? It's because people get sick and tired of being screwed over. They get to a point where they believe the company or boss wants to rip them off all the time and they can't do anything about it. I give a working example of what happened to me.

One Easter Saturday the boss couldn't get anyone to work, the other staff were all away on holidays with their family. So me being single and available thought no worries, I'll go in and pick up the double time and a half. When the pay day came I got paid single rates. I asked why I didn't get my correct rates, the boss said all Saturdays were at normal rates, I knew this was wrong. Then I went into the Department of Industrial relations in Oxford street Sydney and asked for a copy of the relevant award. It clearly stated that Easter Saturday was a public holiday and it should have been paid at double time and half rates.

I confronted the boss with the relevant information. I told him I would take it as far as I could to claim this money owed to me, I said to him I will go to DIR and lodge a claim. He ended up paying but I had to be a bully about it.

The thing is, there are laws, awards and enterprise agreements, bosses and companies try to cheat on them all the time. People are sick of it, they join unions and fight for their rights. It creates a them and us. In all my working life they tried dudding me a few times. I then became a union delegate for a couple of years when I was with a big organisation. Helping people get what they are entitled to is a big part of being a delegate, we only ever called for strike action when the bosses failed to hold up their end of the bargain.

The ones that get me the most a the small shop owners whinging about how they got to pay time and a half or double time on a Sunday. Say a cafe owner for example. Cafes are most busy on a sunny Sunday, their customers spread out onto the footpaths, they are very busy and they make a lot of money. Then they have the hide to complain that they have to pay a waitress $30 an hour for Sunday. Well boo hoo, surely a bit of your extra profits can go to the girl giving up her Sunday to work for you. If these small business owners complain about the high Sunday salary then perhaps they could employ their children in the business for $30 an hour. Oh hang on they are too busy out with their friends. Before anyone asks, yes I have been a small business owner and I worked the Sundays myself mostly because I couldn't get anyone else to do it.

Unions are a necessary organisation, we need to stop employers from breaking the laws and their agreements. We need to pay our people the correct wages. We should never allow ripping off of workers, like the 7/11 mob not paying the correct salaries to their staff and then threatening them with deportations should they say anything. My God keep Australia above the rest, a fair days pay for a fair days work according to the laws. Sorry, rant over.

 

[Tisme]

You know why this happens? It's because people get sick and tired of being screwed over. They get to a point where they believe the company or boss wants to rip them off all the time and they can't do anything about it. I give a working example of what happened to me.

One Easter Saturday the boss couldn't get anyone to work, the other staff were all away on holidays with their family. So me being single and available thought no worries, I'll go in and pick up the double time and a half. When the pay day came I got paid single rates. I asked why I didn't get my correct rates, the boss said all Saturdays were at normal rates, I knew this was wrong. Then I went into the Department of Industrial relations in Oxford street Sydney and asked for a copy of the relevant award. It clearly stated that Easter Saturday was a public holiday and it should have been paid at double time and half rates.

I confronted the boss with the relevant information. I told him I would take it as far as I could to claim this money owed to me, I said to him I will go to DIR and lodge a claim. He ended up paying but I had to be a bully about it.

The thing is, there are laws, awards and enterprise agreements, bosses and companies try to cheat on them all the time. People are sick of it, they join unions and fight for their rights. It creates a them and us. In all my working life they tried dudding me a few times. I then became a union delegate for a couple of years when I was with a big organisation. Helping people get what they are entitled to is a big part of being a delegate, we only ever called for strike action when the bosses failed to hold up their end of the bargain.

The ones that get me the most a the small shop owners whinging about how they got to pay time and a half or double time on a Sunday. Say a cafe owner for example. Cafes are most busy on a sunny Sunday, their customers spread out onto the footpaths, they are very busy and they make a lot of money. Then they have the hide to complain that they have to pay a waitress $30 an hour for Sunday. Well boo hoo, surely a bit of your extra profits can go to the girl giving up her Sunday to work for you. If these small business owners complain about the high Sunday salary then perhaps they could employ their children in the business for $30 an hour. Oh hang on they are too busy out with their friends. Before anyone asks, yes I have been a small business owner and I worked the Sundays myself mostly because I couldn't get anyone else to do it.

Unions are a necessary organisation, we need to stop employers from breaking the laws and their agreements. We need to pay our people the correct wages. We should never allow ripping off of workers, like the 7/11 mob not paying the correct salaries to their staff and then threatening them with deportations should they say anything. My God keep Australia above the rest, a fair days pay for a fair days work according to the laws. Sorry, rant over.

You only have to look at the half decade spiral up wages of public servants under their powerful union and the deterioration of technical trades wages by comparison due to lack of cohesive unionism. Some would suggest this is just calibration of worth to the community.....

 

[SirRumpole]

My God keep Australia above the rest, a fair days pay for a fair days work according to the laws.

Of course people should be well paid, and should give value for money.

I'd be interested in a mechanism for deciding whether the above is true.

Comparison with other countries of similar GDP per head perhaps ?

Maybe company profits per head of employees ?

Pay compared to cost of living ?

We need to do some work on actually measuring what is a fair pay level for work performed.

 

[CanOz]

Fair comments Bill M. I just can't understand why Australia has so much us vs. them mentality compared to Canada, or the US, or Europe. I have sensed that attitude a bit from people from the UK though, maybe there is a connection there?

I don't like authority and i think its made me a better boss for it. However, i don't share the same us vs. them mentality that exists here. Its like an eternal pessimism, very persistent. Was Australia more corrupt than Canada in the past, or am i just too blind to see that?

Regarding wages, are we sure that paying someone between 80-100k a year to flip a sign is a fair wage? If it is, do we have the right to complain about the cost of goods and services when we know that high labor component is a good part of the reason?

 

[qldfrog]

Unions are a necessary organisation, we need to stop employers from breaking the laws and their agreements. .

I hope we all agree with that but my perception of the CFMEU for example is more of a bikie club screwing people and a blackmailing/extorsion machine than a body genuinely interested in the workers welfare/rights.
Do we have proper unions here for workers which are not too ALP linked?
I understand at the company level, you might find genuine union reps even a CFMEU, but it means your fees still goes to help the ALP/headquarter travel expenses..
Anyway, just for my knowledge, am a small one man business owner

 

[noco]

You know why this happens? It's because people get sick and tired of being screwed over. They get to a point where they believe the company or boss wants to rip them off all the time and they can't do anything about it. I give a working example of what happened to me.


Unions are a necessary organisation, we need to stop employers from breaking the laws and their agreements. We need to pay our people the correct wages. We should never allow ripping off of workers, like the 7/11 mob not paying the correct salaries to their staff and then threatening them with deportations should they say anything. My God keep Australia above the rest, a fair days pay for a fair days work according to the laws. Sorry, rant over.

Yes people do need to stop being screwed not only by employers but also the unions.

The workers at Chiquita, Clean Event, Coles and McDoanlds got well and truly screwed by Bill Shorten and the AWU.

And the band played "TRUST OUR UNIONS AGAIN"....:blaah::nono::bs::band

 

[Smurf1976]

Do we have proper unions here for workers which are not too ALP linked?

I'm a member of one that gave its opinion on candidates for the recent election. They sure weren't telling people who to vote for as such but expressed their opinion in favour of, for the 5 Tasmanian electorates:

Bass - none of them any good and that includes Labor.

Braddon - Labor

Denison - Independent

Franklin - Labor

Lyons - Minor party

So I wouldn't say they're joined at the hip to the ALP given they only gave them 2 out of 5.

 

[sptrawler]

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Do we have proper unions here for workers which are not too ALP linked?

Over East maybe, in W.A I doubt it, from my experience.

 

[qldfrog]

I'm a member of one that gave its opinion on candidates for the recent election. They sure weren't telling people who to vote for as such but expressed their opinion in favour of, for the 5 Tasmanian electorates:

Bass - none of them any good and that includes Labor.

Braddon - Labor

Denison - Independent

Franklin - Labor

Lyons - Minor party

So I wouldn't say they're joined at the hip to the ALP given they only gave them 2 out of 5.

Fair and good to know
for my own interest, which union is this? if private feel free to PM/abstain

 

[Bill M]

Another few examples of why unions are necessary. These are all true stories and what happened to members of my family directly.

Member works for a medium sized supermarket chain. Works without any incident for over 5 years, was a good employee. Mother in law gets very ill and has to relocate to another state to be a carer. After 5 years you are entitled to long service leave pro rata if it is due to illness of a family member, or to move interstate to do that. Mother in law is classed as immediate family. Supermarket failed to pay long service leave pro rata. I lodged a complaint to the secretary of the union, they followed up the complaint, the member was finally paid what was owed to her.

Picnic day for this union is to be on Melbourne Cup day each year. Each member is required to have that day off or have 8 hours off in lieu. If the 8 hours off in lieu is not given within that Month then a further days pay at ordinary hours is to be given to the member. 30 days went by no payment was given. I wrote a letter stating the rules to the delegate at that organisation, subsequently that delegate pursued this non payment and the payment was made to the member.

This ones a doozy. Member works on a Sunday at large family fruit shop. She gets paid ordinary rates on a Sunday because the owners say it is too expensive to pay the correct double time rates. I plead with the family member to stand up for her rights, it is just underpayment. Upon standing up for her rights, the boss of this fruit shop asks the member to follow him into a large refrigerator. In there he tells her, ok I will pay you double time for Sunday but don't tell any of the other staff I will do that. The member didn't feel comfortable with his approach and resigned from the job. It was easier to do that than piss off the entire Italian community in that area.

I can't comment on big business union corruption, but at the floor level this kind of **** goes on all the time. I would always want to be a member of the union to protect my rights and that has nothing to do with who I do or don't vote for.

 

[noco]

Another few examples of why unions are necessary. These are all true stories and what happened to members of my family directly.

Member works for a medium sized supermarket chain. Works without any incident for over 5 years, was a good employee. Mother in law gets very ill and has to relocate to another state to be a carer. After 5 years you are entitled to long service leave pro rata if it is due to illness of a family member, or to move interstate to do that. Mother in law is classed as immediate family. Supermarket failed to pay long service leave pro rata. I lodged a complaint to the secretary of the union, they followed up the complaint, the member was finally paid what was owed to her.

Picnic day for this union is to be on Melbourne Cup day each year. Each member is required to have that day off or have 8 hours off in lieu. If the 8 hours off in lieu is not given within that Month then a further days pay at ordinary hours is to be given to the member. 30 days went by no payment was given. I wrote a letter stating the rules to the delegate at that organisation, subsequently that delegate pursued this non payment and the payment was made to the member.

This ones a doozy. Member works on a Sunday at large family fruit shop. She gets paid ordinary rates on a Sunday because the owners say it is too expensive to pay the correct double time rates. I plead with the family member to stand up for her rights, it is just underpayment. Upon standing up for her rights, the boss of this fruit shop asks the member to follow him into a large refrigerator. In there he tells her, ok I will pay you double time for Sunday but don't tell any of the other staff I will do that. The member didn't feel comfortable with his approach and resigned from the job. It was easier to do that than piss off the entire Italian community in that area.

I can't comment on big business union corruption, but at the floor level this kind of **** goes on all the time. I would always want to be a member of the union to protect my rights and that has nothing to do with who I do or don't vote for.

So what do you say about the employees of Chiquita, Clean Event, McDonalds and Coles who were dudded by Bill Shorten's corrupt AWU.?...Did the unions protect those employees rights?...How many more dirty deals have been made by the corrupt unions for financial favors?.....Dirty deals that we never hear about.....Money that ends up in the Labor/Greens coalition bank accounts.......The unions made McDonalds sign up and pay for the employees unions fees without the employees consent......In the 21st century it is not compulsory to be a union member except in the public service.

I know for a fact the employees of the hotel casino in Townsville do not get penalty rates and that place is open from 10 am to 4 am the next morning 24/7.....It does not matter whether the employees are cleaners, cooks or casino table operators, they are are paid the one rate of pay....No penalty rates on Saturdays and Sundays.....Why aren't the unions standing up for those employees rights?

Mcdonalds did a dirty deal with the unions ....time and a quarter on Saturdays and time and a half on Sundays.

What is wrong with employees going to Fair Work Australia if they think they have been dudded?......

Unions may have been necessary in the 19th century but in the 21st century they have now become redundant....Union membership has dropped from 45 % down to under 15 %........We need the unions like a hole in the head.

 

[explod]

Noco, you are lumping the Greens with Labor. They are very different and the Greens have nothing to do with unions or other parties at all.

One of the main reasons why I stopped ALP membership myself years back was because of corrupt members in the North Western Suburbs of Melbourne controlling politics for inner self interests.

So get over it noco, you should not lump things you do not like together. In fact you have failed to answer such questions I put to you on the Hansen thread. :bad:

The Greens in short are about equal opportunites, improved educational opportunities, a fair go for the disadvantaged and our environment.

Apologies to others for being off topic.

 

[CanOz]

I guess i worked for a fair and reasonable business for many years and i'm a little tainted by that. If someone is legally entitled to something under an act, law or agreement, then an employer should honor that. For a supervisor or manager to deny that is just plain poor management practice.

 

[qldfrog]

I guess i worked for a fair and reasonable business for many years and i'm a little tainted by that. If someone is legally entitled to something under an act, law or agreement, then an employer should honor that.

Agree, we shoulkd not need union for that, better policing and justice system in my opinion;
But as I said from the start, I am not anti union when both side are reasonable and not involved in extorsion be it members or employers, or ALP leadership

 

[noco]

Noco, you are lumping the Greens with Labor. They are very different and the Greens have nothing to do with unions or other parties at all.

One of the main reasons why I stopped ALP membership myself years back was because of corrupt members in the North Western Suburbs of Melbourne controlling politics for inner self interests.

So get over it noco, you should not lump things you do not like together. In fact you have failed to answer such questions I put to you on the Hansen thread. :bad:

The Greens in short are about equal opportunites, improved educational opportunities, a fair go for the disadvantaged and our environment.

Apologies to others for being off topic.

It is a well known fact that the unions are donating funds to the Greens...Do some research on it and you may learn something....And why should I not lump the Greens with the Labor Party?.....They swap preferences at election.....Most of them are members of the Fabian Society (communism)....The Labor Party accept policies laid out by the Greens......Gillard did a signed deal with the Greens and Labor had to accept the carbon dioxide tax forced on them by the Greens.....You know Gillard's famous words "THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD"....Do you remember that one?

I apologize if I have missed replying to your questions about Pauline Hanson as I have been in and out of hospital over the past 2 to 3 weeks.....I will check it out and review your questions.

 

[SirRumpole]

It is a well known fact that the unions are donating funds to the Greens...Do some research on it and you may learn something....And why should I not lump the Greens with the Labor Party?.....They swap preferences at election.....Most of them are members of the Fabian Society (communism)....The Labor Party accept policies laid out by the Greens......Gillard did a signed deal with the Greens and Labor had to accept the carbon dioxide tax forced on them by the Greens.....You know Gillard's famous words "THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD"....Do you remember that one?

I apologize if I have missed replying to your questions about Pauline Hanson as I have been in and out of hospital over the past 2 to 3 weeks.....I will check it out and review your questions.

All the best for your health noco.

So what if unions donate funds to the Greens, business donates to the Liberals and farmers donate to the Nats.

What's your problem ?

 

[Bill M]

So what do you say about the employees of Chiquita, Clean Event, McDonalds and Coles who were dudded by Bill Shorten's corrupt AWU.?...Did the unions protect those employees rights?...How many more dirty deals have been made by the corrupt unions for financial favors?.....Dirty deals that we never hear about.....Money that ends up in the Labor/Greens coalition bank accounts.......The unions made McDonalds sign up and pay for the employees unions fees without the employees consent......In the 21st century it is not compulsory to be a union member except in the public service.

I know for a fact the employees of the hotel casino in Townsville do not get penalty rates and that place is open from 10 am to 4 am the next morning 24/7.....It does not matter whether the employees are cleaners, cooks or casino table operators, they are are paid the one rate of pay....No penalty rates on Saturdays and Sundays.....Why aren't the unions standing up for those employees rights?

Mcdonalds did a dirty deal with the unions ....time and a quarter on Saturdays and time and a half on Sundays.

What is wrong with employees going to Fair Work Australia if they think they have been dudded?......

Unions may have been necessary in the 19th century but in the 21st century they have now become redundant....Union membership has dropped from 45 % down to under 15 %........We need the unions like a hole in the head.

I do not know about each union or workplace in Australia and frankly I do not care. All I know is at the floor level we would have been screwed over many times if we did not have our our unions protecting us. You know, real experiences in my and my families workplaces. I still have a family member working for a large supermarket chain, they still try to get away with certain things that go against the present enterprise agreement. All they need to do is stick to the rules. What a casino does up in north Queensland is of no interest to me, sorry, I can't look out for the whole country.

 

[noco]

All the best for your health noco.

So what if unions donate funds to the Greens, business donates to the Liberals and farmers donate to the Nats.

What's your problem ?

Thanks Rumpy....Just another old age hiccup.

The problem is Bill M stated the unions do not have any connection with Greens and we all know they have accepted lots of donation from the unions.