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Feel free to travel and fight there, you will be provided weapons free of charge ....
Feel free to travel and fight there, you will be provided weapons free of charge ....General Patton was right. We had the army in place in Europe after we defeated Germany. Patton wanted to keep going all the way to Moscow. He said we’re gonna have to fight them sooner or later let’s get it over with now..
It's pretty disheartening to listen to this press conference with NATO security general. Sure they say the supports going in to Ukraine, toughing up the NATO borders to the east of Ukraine and so on...Poland offering a peace keeping force, but even that was rejected.
There's a lot of hype about chemical weapons and nukes, scaring the free world of a stance or deterrent against Russia.
Bad diplomacy between the US/RUSSIA (cold war). Which sux, I want to see the US/NATO stand up to Putin and put to he's knees, begging forgiveness. And put a end to his rule...I don't like the diligence that Biden brings to the table...God Bless and go in to Ukrainian territory and fight for their freedom...
The way I carry on I should take that up!Feel free to travel and fight there, you will be provided weapons free of charge ....
I read somewhere that the US was ready to fight the Russians..to the last Ukrainian.The way I carry on I should take that up!
I'm not gonna watch it, I need to be able to sleep... But doesn't take much imagination.WARNING
This video link must not be shown to children
Some things are best unseen so if you don't want to see the real life horrors that go on in wars then do not watch
There is every chance YouTube will bury this video, and I have no problem if @Joe Blow decides to expunge it from this site.
Currently there is dispute over whether it really is Ukrainian soldiers, or Russians with a diabolical propaganda message (eg. shooting their own deserters but they are pretending to be Ukrainian soldiers).
I felt sick after watching it.
The above link is gorey, but the worse one - which I will not link - shows that Hollywood stabbing scenes miss the piercing screams of agony before someones dies. That one will give me nightmares.I'm not gonna watch it, I need to be able to sleep... But doesn't take much imagination.
Dunno about whose propaganda it is... But f$#@!!!
That is ridiculous, if he was in West Germany by July, France would be done and dusted by August IMO.
According to Operator Starsky, it's Russian Fake News, starts at around 44 secs into the vid. Warning that the vid does show the shootings but is blurred.I'm not gonna watch it, I need to be able to sleep... But doesn't take much imagination.
Dunno about whose propaganda it is... But f$#@!!!
Ukraine could have followed Finland and be neutral.
This thread is toxic...i think thread can be ignored, w8ll be better for me, and for the ABC/ Fox news crowds?
What Joe Biden’s gaffe says about his end-game in Ukraine
Nine ad-libbed words mask his caution in dealing with Vladimir Putin
“Iam a gaffe machine,” Joe Biden once admitted, disarmingly. For proof consider his speech in Warsaw on March 26th. Vladimir Putin’s carnage in Ukraine was part of a global “battle between democracy and autocracy”, he declared, closing with an impromptu line: “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.” Was Mr Biden advocating regime change in Russia? No, his aides hastened to say, soon followed by the president himself.
The political gaffe, the commentator Michael Kinsley memorably observed, is when a politician inadvertently speaks the truth. Mr Biden’s many slips often involve him getting muddled or, as in 2012, being unable to catch a double entendre. Seeking to cast Barack Obama as a hard man of world affairs, the then vice-president cited Teddy Roosevelt’s dictum about speaking softly and carrying a big stick. “I promise you, the president has a big stick.”
Mr Biden’s words in Warsaw were different, deliberate and in keeping with insults—“war criminal”, “butcher”—he has been hurling at Russia’s leader. Critics charge that, in suggesting he seeks Mr Putin’s downfall, Mr Biden will harden Russia’s resolve on the battlefield and at the negotiating table. This misses the mark. The reproach rings especially hollow coming from Republicans who still bow to the dangerously wayward and Putin-loving Donald Trump. (On March 29th he urged Mr Putin to reveal dirt on the Biden family.) There is little doubt the world would be better without Mr Putin; and he already thinks America is out to get him.
Rather, Mr Biden’s failing in Warsaw is what might be called the Reverse Roosevelt Doctrine: speak loudly and carry a small stick. To Poles and Ukrainians in the audience, Mr Biden’s most fervent lines carried disturbing implications. Telling Mr Putin “don’t even think about moving on one single inch of nato territory” sounds like giving him carte blanche to do his worst in Ukrainian territory. “We need to steel ourselves for the long fight ahead” implies that he will do nothing to stop horrors quickly.
The parallels he drew—the Hungarian uprising of 1956, the Prague spring of 1968 and Solidarity’s strikes in Poland in 1980—all referred to events behind the iron curtain, where America had little influence. Mr Biden did not mention, say, Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1990 or Serbian atrocities in Bosnia and Kosovo in the 1990s, which America halted through military action. Intervention in Ukraine, Mr Biden says, would risk “World War III”.
Finding a course between preventing Russia’s takeover of Ukraine and averting nuclear escalation involves much semantic and legal contortion. What weaponry is defensive, or what action escalatory? Mr Biden sends Ukraine anti-tank weapons, but not tanks; anti-aircraft missiles but not military aircraft. He is at pains to say what he will not do: no to American troops on the ground, no to no-fly zones. His response to Mr Putin’s madman nuclear threats is reassurance that America will not get involved. Mr Biden invoked the words of the late Polish pope, John Paul II, “Be not afraid.” Yet it is the president who seems frightened of tangling with Mr Putin, not the other way around.
How to explain this caution? The first and most obvious reason is that Russia has a bigger stockpile of nuclear weapons than America does, and a greater doctrinal propensity to use them. Even Mr Biden’s fiercest critics agree that getting into a war with Russia would be a bad idea. The second factor is Mr Biden’s aversion to America’s over-reliance on force, given the quagmires in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military action should be a last resort, not the first, he thinks; and should be used only when vital interests are at stake. His economic sanctions on Russia, he believes, are “a new kind of economic statecraft with the power to inflict damage that rivals military might”.
Left unsaid is that Ukraine is probably not as important to Mr Biden as, say, Taiwan. America sees Russia as a disrupter, and China as the only challenger to its supremacy. Another of Mr Biden’s gaffes last year is telling. Asked whether America would defend Taiwan from a Chinese attack, he replied: “Yes, we have a commitment to do that.” The White House rushed to clarify that the president intended no change in America’s “one-China” policy, or its doctrine of “strategic ambiguity” about defending the island. For Taiwan, then, Mr Biden does seem ready to risk nuclear war.
A cynical possibility, which many Ukrainians believe, is that Mr Biden wants a drawn-out war to exhaust Russia, at the cost of much Ukrainian blood. That may be too Machiavellian. There is little sign that the Biden administration has thought much about the end-game. It says it will not dictate the terms that Volodymyr Zelensky, Ukraine’s president, should accept. This is disingenuous given that Mr Biden in effect sets limits on what Ukraine can achieve. If Mr Zelensky does not have the weapons with which to evict Russian forces, he will have to give up territory; if nato will not admit Ukraine, he will have to accept neutrality.
Shoot the bear?
Now that Russia is bleeding in the battlefield, prominent Americans want Mr Biden to go all-out to help Mr Zelensky rout the Russian army. Victory would revitalise democracy and might even bring down Mr Putin. Mr Biden, however, prefers the long game. Ukraine is bravely holding its ground, Russia is being weakened and China is paying a political cost for embracing Mr Putin. Only Russia’s leader knows what would make him resort to nuclear weapons, but a senior American defence official thinks the triggers probably include “the prospect of all-out conventional defeat of Russia’s military” or a threat to the Russian state (in other words, a threat to Mr Putin).
What about Mr Biden’s chin-jutting in Warsaw? It is probably moral outrage, as he says, with perhaps some cheap rhetoric. The president may be loose in his tough talk, and cautious to a fault in his actions. But in the nuclear age that is surely better than emulating a swashbuckling militarist like Teddy Roosevelt.
Probably doesn't need a brain surgeon to arrive at that painfully obvious conclusion.
“One is of psycho-neurological nature,
Anecdotal evidence can sometimes be a false leader, but on the strength of it coming from one person I will put it out there.i don't think the Ukraine is particularly healthy at all , remember all the years various foreign aid has been flowing , right back to the Obama ( and Biden's $1 Billion ' sack the prosecutor or no aid ' moment ) AND if Russia stops using the Ukraine to transit gas through , it will take another economic hit ( if haven't seen any news about Russia upgrading/maintaining that aging pipeline in the future )
the Russians hammered out an agreement in 2015 that the West and Ukraine Government never followed for even a few months
now it will be interesting to see how many will be economic refugees ( moving to a more prosperous economy , that is liable to be permanent ) the ones seeking in refugee in Russia are more likely to return to the Ukraine after peace returns ( Russia isn't a quantum leap up the economic prosperity scale , so home will have it's appeal )
there is a real possibility the Ukraine will descend into a chaotic power vacuum ( like Libya ) , i would think both sides ( EU and Russia ) would prefer that didn't happen
Poland must not know how to leverage the best out of being part of the EU. I still have family in Europe and they have all done well with being part of the EU, both in easy travel and profitability with work and creating businesses that can easily cross borders.
The increased security by combining resources is a factor for many nations in Europe, especially with what is happening now.
My Polish mate tells me that they have never trusted the Russians, or the Germans. And it it the Germans that made Russia rich and emboldened Putin.
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