Ukraine War

[IFocus]

I think the media did that, it isn't all about Trump,

Who makes money by exploiting this cultural fault line? The media IMO.

I know you like to blame the media but it was Trump who has sown discord in the US supported all in by the Republicans in the pursuit of power no greater example than Trumps / Republicans behaviour before / during and after the election.

After the attack on the capital Putin would have known he was good to go.

Anyway its all mute now, god help the Ukrainians lucky to be born Australian.... until the Chinese invade

 

[PZ99]

How can you expect that you, or anything you say, can be taken seriously by anyone after posting links to tinfoil hat conspiracy websites?

greggles, that poster is a dropkick - best placed on ignore as he has less than nothing to add to this board.

 

[IFocus]

The West is heading for a new cold war with Russia. Like the last cold war, it can only be won by bankrupting Russia. If the Russian economy is in tatters, the Russian people will deal with Putin. If they don't then they will own their ruined future.

The West needs to isolate Russia economically. It is 2022, any country can be brought to its knees by being shut off from the rest of the world. Europe needs to start finding gas and oil from elsewhere. Bullets were never going to win this war.

Biden's response is pathetic. He is a very weak leader.

From what I understand Putin does had a decent war chest and actions against Russia will blow back against the west economies price of oil and gas rising as an example how it all plays out is hard to say.

One thing for certain is western leaders have ceded Ukraine to Putin the question is what lays down the road to other nearby nation states.

And then there Taiwan?

 

[The Triangle]

I know you like to blame the media but it was Trump who has sown discord in the US supported all in by the Republicans in the pursuit of power no greater example than Trumps / Republicans behaviour before / during and after the election.

After the attack on the capital Putin would have known he was good to go.

Anyway its all mute now, god help the Ukrainians lucky to be born Australian.... until the Chinese invade

How was the attack on the capital remotely related? There is no connecting those dots.

Putin knew he was good to go once Obama, Nato, and everyone else let him take crimea without consequence a few years ago.

 

[sptrawler]

I know you like to blame the media but it was Trump who has sown discord in the US supported all in by the Republicans in the pursuit of power no greater example than Trumps / Republicans behaviour before / during and after the election.

After the attack on the capital Putin would have known he was good to go.

Anyway its all mute now, god help the Ukrainians lucky to be born Australian.... until the Chinese invade

If it was only the U.S that had the issues, I would agree with you, but it is the whole of the West, that has the same underlying issues.
Handy to blame Trump, but not realistic, just fits the narrative.

 

[greggles]

I will say this, Putin has chosen his moment well. The western world is divided, debt laden and unwilling to sacrifice anything. Putin knew we would throw Ukraine under the bus because he knows that our primary fear is our fear of losing our high standard of living.

The West has become a fat, indulgent, navel gazing, social media and identity politics obsessed shadow of its former self. China and Russia see us for what we have become and are starting to make their moves. Xi is watching closely and Taiwan will be next.

 

[moXJO]

He always was, Trump helped divide the US create chaos within the US, did Putin a massive favour.

It was divided long before that. Short memories seem to forget the screeching over bush being "Satan". The left divided the nation into colour and sexual orientation. Then proceeded to burn down their cities.

Putin would have invaded under Trump's reign if the "chaos" was that great. Funny that he went twice under Biden.

Seem to remember Trump supplying javelin missiles, snipers, and other assorted weaponry. Obama sent defense or in Trumps words: "Blankets and pillows"

Also media claims that Ukraine "were not allowed to use the javelins against Russia". Which was another load of shite. Once again Trumps call was the right move.

 

[SirRumpole]

Why go to war with a whole country when you can target one man ?.

We all know whose idea this is, so a stealth missile through the window of a luxury home on the Black Sea while he's inside might do the trick.

 

[moXJO]

The Russian economy can be self sufficient? Huh. The only reason the Russians have an economy is because they export oil, gas and other commodities. Take that revenue away and their economy will crumble. What else does Russia produce that the rest of the world need or want?

Russia has been ransacked by the criminal oligarchs and Putin and his cronies since 1991. It is one of the most corrupt countries on Earth.

Sanctions won't do much if we are being realistic.
Ukraine has about 30% of the world's grain exports 20% of corn 90% of rapeseed.
Russia has debt of 18% gdp.
Then the gas supply.

They will most likely just trade with China.
Obviously this was years in the making and similar to what China has done. Get us addicted to one provider.

Europe is addicted. Are they really going to care about US posturing. More likely they are going to lick a whole lot of boot to avoid pain.

 

[bk1]

Russian-supplied aluminum accounts for roughly 10% of total U.S. imports, highlighting the negative impact that sanctions could have for the U.S. and allies who rely on the metal for everything from iPhones to automobiles and fighter jets.

Almost four years ago, the U.S. levied sanctions on Russian aluminum producer United Co. Rusal International PJSC that sent prices surging and leaving buyers scrambling to find units.

Biden team to hold off on Russia sanctions hitting aluminum

Russian-supplied aluminum accounts for roughly 10% of total US imports, highlighting the negative impact that sanctions could have.

www.mining.com

 

[greggles]

Sanctions won't do much if we are being realistic.
Ukraine has about 30% of the world's grain exports 20% of corn 90% of rapeseed.
Russia has debt of 18% gdp.
Then the gas supply.

They will most likely just trade with China.
Obviously this was years in the making and similar to what China has done. Get us addicted to one provider.

Europe is addicted. Are they really going to care about US posturing. More likely they are going to lick a whole lot of boot to avoid pain.

You are correct. This has been years in the making. While increasingly populist and spineless western leaders have been shouting slogans and buying votes, the world's tyrants have been slowly and meticulously positioning themselves to strike. They have progressed their long term geopolitical strategies like grandmaster chess players, carefully making move after move while our leaders played right into their hands.

 

[wayneL]

A bit of a side bar: but when did Kiev (How it has always been spelt in English) become Kyiv?

What does this mean?

 

[moXJO]

You are correct. This has been years in the making. While increasingly populist and spineless western leaders have been shouting slogans and buying votes, the world's tyrants have been slowly and meticulously positioning themselves to strike. They have progressed their long term geopolitical strategies like grandmaster chess players, carefully making move after move while our leaders played right into their hands.

Even the fact the Germans went with the Russian pipeline. The US was screaming at them not to do it. Also that Europe was not spending enough on defence. The resistance to that statement because Trump said it.

All that green energy counts for sht when the tanks start rolling. Even the US cutting its oil production at such a critical time in world affairs. The whole lot of them were caught napping.

Luckily Ukraine spent a lot on shoring up its defenses. Those Ukrainians are a hard people. They will die for their freedom. Hopefully they hold out for a while. Russia has some terrible weapons (thermobaric missiles come to mind). Pray for low casualties.

I hope the west surprises me. But who are we kidding.

 

[moXJO]

A bit of a side bar: but when did Kiev (How it has always been spelt in English) become Kyiv?

What does this mean?

'Kiev' is Russian rooted

 

[greggles]

Even the fact the Germans went with the Russian pipeline. The US was screaming at them not to do it. Also that Europe was not spending enough on defence. The resistance to that statement because Trump said it.

All that green energy counts for sht when the tanks start rolling. Even the US cutting its oil production at such a critical time in world affairs. The whole lot of them were caught napping.

Luckily Ukraine spent a lot on shoring up its defenses. Those Ukrainians are a hard people. They will die for their freedom. Hopefully they hold out for a while. Russia has some terrible weapons (thermobaric missiles come to mind). Pray for low casualties.

I hope the west surprises me. But who are we kidding.

The Germans going for the pipeline is no different to the west moving their manufacturing base to China. We have traded our independence and position of strength in the world for China's cheap labour and cheap consumer products and Russia's oil and gas. Now we're no better than a meth addict whose dealer has just punched them in the face. We want to punch back, but we're afraid the dealer won't sell us any more meth.

I woke up today with this awful sense of self loathing. We've been outplayed, and this is just the beginning. Does the West have the moral strength to change the rules of the game and start playing to win?

I feel desperately sorry for the people of the Ukraine. Putin will capture their country and install his own puppet and we will do nothing more than sit on the sidelines and shake our fist.

 

[sptrawler]

The Germans going for the pipeline is no different to the west moving their manufacturing base to China. We have traded our independence and position of strength in the world for China's cheap labour and cheap consumer products and Russia's oil and gas. Now we're no better than a meth addict whose dealer has just punched them in the face. We want to punch back, but we're afraid the dealer won't sell us any more meth.

I woke up today with this awful sense of self loathing. We've been outplayed, and this is just the beginning. Does the West have the moral strength to change the rules of the game and start playing to win?

I feel desperately sorry for the people of the Ukraine. Putin will capture their country and install his own puppet and we will do nothing more than sit on the sidelines and shake our fist.

As I've said on numerous occasions, there isn't much between us and China, we are sitting on China's raw materials, with Chinese money we could become a huge irrigated food bowl.
I didn't start the thread, "Sell W.A to China", for no reason.
We could have sold it to them, because Australia actually doesn't think twice about W.A and we are basically defenceless.
Lucky we have the SAS over here, well that is until we throw them in gaol, we will probably have to wait until they get out to organise a plan.
I think channel 7 is organising an SAS recruitment plan, so we should be o.k.
As you say @greggles the West has no one but itself and its greed to blame.

 

[wayneL]

Right wing dictator invades... silence.

Where is the out rage?

Not a bad effort by Stan Grant on the Wests response

This stood out "Liberalism elevates the individual to the point of alienation"

Here's why the West doesn't know how to fight Putin's Ukraine war

As globalisation rises in the West, Vladimir Putin is encouraging the return of the tribe. He sees the West's individualism as a weakness and his approach has set the world ablaze, writes Stan Grant.

www.abc.net.au

WTF? Right wing?

 

[moXJO]

Defenders on snake Island were wiped out by a Russian warship.

 

[DB008]

Biden is a weak, frail old man with dementia, who was clearly and obviously installed into that position - Putin has jumped on Ukraine after watching the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal. Xi is also looking on with Taiwan in it's sights.

 

[SirRumpole]

Meanwhile, one part of the free world fights back.

Anonymous takes down Kremlin, Russian-controlled media site in cyber attacks

Hackers launch cyber attacks against Russian government websites, including state-controlled Russia Today, in response to the Ukraine crisis.

www.abc.net.au