wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
- Joined
- 9 July 2004
- Posts
- 25,581
- Reactions
- 12,707
...and meanwhile, the Proles think it's all about good guy versus bad guy.
Ukraine War
- Thread starter robertbanking
- Start date
Dona Ferentes
A little bit OC⚡DC
- Joined
- 11 January 2016
- Posts
- 15,087
- Reactions
- 20,472
only if you accept "This page collects ISW and CTP's updates on the conflict in Ukraine. In late February 2022, ISW began publishing daily synthetic products covering key events related to renewed Russian aggression against Ukraine."
You may wish to wade through some of these.
The framework for OSINT is here.
The framework for OSINT is here.
OSINT Framework
osintframework.com
greggles
I'll be back!
- Joined
- 28 July 2004
- Posts
- 4,460
- Reactions
- 4,494
Funny you should say that. An interesting take on the long term economic agenda of the Russia-Ukraine Invasion.
IFocus
You are arguing with a Galah
- Joined
- 8 September 2006
- Posts
- 7,471
- Reactions
- 4,467
Did someone say history?
"moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The term Holodomor emphasises the famine's man-made and allegedly intentional aspects such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs and restriction of population movement. As a large part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.["
en.wikipedia.org
Holodomor
"moryty holodom, 'to kill by starvation'),[a][3][4][5] also known as the Terror-Famine[6][7][8] or the Great Famine,[9] was a famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. The term Holodomor emphasises the famine's man-made and allegedly intentional aspects such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs and restriction of population movement. As a large part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–1933 which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.["
Holodomor - Wikipedia
In Russia, your position dumps you!
- Joined
- 3 November 2013
- Posts
- 1,566
- Reactions
- 2,769
I don't know what to laugh at:
The obvious propaganda that Ukraine is still being held and Russia is fighting a losing war, or the CNN host's insistence that the war was unprovoked.
JohnDe
La dolce vita
- Joined
- 11 March 2020
- Posts
- 3,924
- Reactions
- 5,761
Which "losing war"? The one on 8 November 1917, or February 2014, or 25 November 2018, maybe 24 February 2022
- Joined
- 3 November 2013
- Posts
- 1,566
- Reactions
- 2,769
Nah, the current one where Russia seems to be gaining more Ukrainian territory daily and the plight of Ukrainian citizens is prolonged thanks to idealistic Western ggovernment 'help' prolonging the inevitable
JohnDe
La dolce vita
- Joined
- 11 March 2020
- Posts
- 3,924
- Reactions
- 5,761
Well that one is a no-brainer.
Everyone knew that the might of Russia would overwhelm the Ukrainian defence force.
The only thing that caught military advisers off guard was the Russian military incompetence.
- Joined
- 30 June 2008
- Posts
- 15,357
- Reactions
- 7,232
When wars escalate numbers of dead and injured start to become meaningless. 1000, 10,000, 100,000 casualties ? All too hard to remember the people behind these numbers.
This story from Ukraine looks at the real people being blown to kingdom come. In this case it is some of the Ukrainian citizens (not soldiers) incidentally or deliberately killed in this war of attrition.
Having said that at least half a dozen young men were burned to death in that personnel carrier. But they had no right to be in that village.
We remember the murdered bakers, the postal workers, the animal shelter volunteers and we say: there will be justice
A destroyed armoured personnel carrier stands in the central square of the town of Makariv, 60km west of Kyiv. Photograph: Efrem Lukatsky/AP
Sun 13 Mar 2022 06.15 EDTLast modified on Sun 13 Mar 2022 14.10 EDT
Before, my wife and I hardly ever ate bread. At least, if we weren’t in the village where we sometimes spend weekends away from our home in Kyiv. The bread we bought in the village was always tastier than the city stuff. In the Ukrainian countryside, there is a long tradition of having plenty of bread on the table and of eating it with butter and salt or dipping it in milk. Bread dipped in fresh cow’s milk was also given to little kids and they loved it.
Since arriving in western Ukraine, where like hundreds of thousands of my fellow countrymen my family has sought relative safety, we find ourselves eating much more bread than before.
Our boys have always loved fresh bread. They enjoy making and eating sandwiches. In our village shop, we would buy our favourite Makariv loaf – a soft, white, brick-shaped loaf. It was baked at the well-known Makariv bakery which is 20km from our village. Occasionally, you could find this bread in Kyiv, but only in small corner shops, not supermarkets.
I have been thinking about that Makariv bread for several days now, remembering the taste. Only now, as I remember, I sense the taste of blood on my lips, like when I was a child if someone split my lip in a fight.
The fact is Makariv bakery was bombed a few days ago by Russian troops. The bakers were at work. I can imagine the fragrant smell that surrounded them the moment before the attack. In an instant, 13 bakery staff were killed and nine were injured. And the bakery is no more – “Makariv bread” is a thing of the past.
www.theguardian.com
This story from Ukraine looks at the real people being blown to kingdom come. In this case it is some of the Ukrainian citizens (not soldiers) incidentally or deliberately killed in this war of attrition.
Having said that at least half a dozen young men were burned to death in that personnel carrier. But they had no right to be in that village.
I have run out of words for the horror of Putin’s crimes in Ukraine
Andrey KurkovWe remember the murdered bakers, the postal workers, the animal shelter volunteers and we say: there will be justice
A destroyed armoured personnel carrier stands in the central square of the town of Makariv, 60km west of Kyiv. Photograph: Efrem Lukatsky/AP
Sun 13 Mar 2022 06.15 EDTLast modified on Sun 13 Mar 2022 14.10 EDT
Before, my wife and I hardly ever ate bread. At least, if we weren’t in the village where we sometimes spend weekends away from our home in Kyiv. The bread we bought in the village was always tastier than the city stuff. In the Ukrainian countryside, there is a long tradition of having plenty of bread on the table and of eating it with butter and salt or dipping it in milk. Bread dipped in fresh cow’s milk was also given to little kids and they loved it.
Since arriving in western Ukraine, where like hundreds of thousands of my fellow countrymen my family has sought relative safety, we find ourselves eating much more bread than before.
Our boys have always loved fresh bread. They enjoy making and eating sandwiches. In our village shop, we would buy our favourite Makariv loaf – a soft, white, brick-shaped loaf. It was baked at the well-known Makariv bakery which is 20km from our village. Occasionally, you could find this bread in Kyiv, but only in small corner shops, not supermarkets.
I have been thinking about that Makariv bread for several days now, remembering the taste. Only now, as I remember, I sense the taste of blood on my lips, like when I was a child if someone split my lip in a fight.
The fact is Makariv bakery was bombed a few days ago by Russian troops. The bakers were at work. I can imagine the fragrant smell that surrounded them the moment before the attack. In an instant, 13 bakery staff were killed and nine were injured. And the bakery is no more – “Makariv bread” is a thing of the past.
I have run out of words for the horror of Putin’s crimes in Ukraine | Andrey Kurkov
We remember the murdered bakers, the postal workers, the animal shelter volunteers and we say: there will be justice, says the Ukrainian novelist Andrey Kurkov
- Joined
- 30 June 2008
- Posts
- 15,357
- Reactions
- 7,232
After reading the Ukraine story this video started to play. Serendipity
Value Collector
Have courage, and be kind.
- Joined
- 13 January 2014
- Posts
- 12,014
- Reactions
- 8,285
There is a big difference between a war happening because of global economic turmoil and a war purposefully being organised as a solution.
Value Collector
Have courage, and be kind.
- Joined
- 13 January 2014
- Posts
- 12,014
- Reactions
- 8,285
Would Australians roll over and give up?
I doubt it, so why expect Ukraine to? If they wanted to they would.
- Joined
- 3 November 2013
- Posts
- 1,566
- Reactions
- 2,769
Because this isn't a war between Ukraine and Russia. It's now a proxy war between US-UK-NATO and Russia. Ukraine is already lost.
This is just futile chest thumping by the Western world that risks drawing in more countries into the conflict.
EDIT: See today's front page articles. American journalist killed. Military residence shelled with 30+ killed (ironically were 'foreign legion').
JohnDe
La dolce vita
- Joined
- 11 March 2020
- Posts
- 3,924
- Reactions
- 5,761
JohnDe
La dolce vita
- Joined
- 11 March 2020
- Posts
- 3,924
- Reactions
- 5,761
Value Collector
Have courage, and be kind.
- Joined
- 13 January 2014
- Posts
- 12,014
- Reactions
- 8,285
I disagree, it is most certainly a war between Russia and Ukraine, Ukraine is just receiving some assistance, much like Australia would.
- Joined
- 3 November 2013
- Posts
- 1,566
- Reactions
- 2,769
We are free to disagree.
If my house was being shelled because Scomo kept asking for weapons and volunteer mercenaries to fuel we have little to no chance of winning - instead of agreeing to pull out of a military agreement that we had no hope of joining - I think I'd be pissed at Scomo.
- Joined
- 28 August 2010
- Posts
- 1,154
- Reactions
- 1,720
But if Xi said your house is in a mainly Chinese suburb in Australia, we are annexing this suburb as part of China now, would you just give up too?
