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wayneL

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Interesting moves afoot as the Tories drive the final few nails into their political coffin.

Braverman sacked for telling the truth and the stinking decomposing political corpse of Cameron resurrected via gifting him a Lordship and the Home Secretary post... inter alia.

"Ve penetrate ze cabinets" by hook or by crook.

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Immigrants had just been travelling across the EU ending up in France. Then leaving the EU in boats for the UK. Increasingly they are moving across the UK back into the EU in Ireland. Now what?

www.theguardian.com

Ireland plans to send asylum seekers back to UK under emergency law

Taoiseach wants to reduce arrivals through Northern Ireland amid concern that Sunak’s Rwanda plan is driving people to Ireland
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
Ireland and Britain are on a collision course over asylum seekers, with Dublin vowing to send arrivals to Ireland back to the UK and London insisting it will not accept any.

www.independent.co.uk

Ireland tells Sunak ‘stop sending us your migrants’ amid Rwanda row

Government source claims EU would be guilty of double standards if Ireland was allowed to return asylum seekers to UK
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
noirua said:
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has called a General Election for July 4, 2024.
www.telegraph.co.uk

How drenched Sunak fired the starting pistol on a summer vote

Rishi Sunak declared on Wednesday that “now is the moment for Britain to choose its future” as he announced the general election would be held on July 4.
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
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Conservatives are going to be wiped off the map.

Nothing to do with politics either. All western populations are deeply unhappy as politicians have become blatant corporate or special interest proxies and generally do nothing to help their countries.

And then over in Europe it's looking like the right wing political groups are going to do very well in the upcoming elections.

People seem to be stuck in the oh well let's just vote for the opposite mentality. Which isn't that bad because there's really no other choices

Will David Cameron come back as leader that's the question I'm wondering?
 
The Triangle said:
Conservatives are going to be wiped off the map.

Nothing to do with politics either. All western populations are deeply unhappy as politicians have become blatant corporate or special interest proxies and generally do nothing to help their countries.
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The Tories deserve to be absolutely annihilated. There is nothing remotely conservative about this current iteration of the party. They have not only utterly betrayed their own base, but also all those people behind the Red Wall who voted for them last time.

The Triangle said:
And then over in Europe it's looking like the right wing political groups are going to do very well in the upcoming elections.

People seem to be stuck in the oh well let's just vote for the opposite mentality. Which isn't that bad because there's really no other choices
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That said, the current iteration of Labour should be nowhere near government. I have little hope that it will be anything less than an absolute disaster for the country.

And unlike here, a vote for one of the minor parties can be a wasted vote due to the first past the post system.

The Triangle said:
Will David Cameron come back as leader that's the question I'm wondering?
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Please God, No! I'm pinning my hopes on the actual true conservatives such as Kemi Badenoch and Suella Braverman, even Rees-Mogg.

Cameron is a Blairite globalist.
 
SirRumpole said:
Has Sunak got a political death wish?

www.abc.net.au

It's been called 'bonkers' and 'a joke', but here's how PM Rishi Sunak wants to put his country's teenagers to work

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced his party will bring back mandatory national service if they win the UK general election. What does this mean?
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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In a word, yes. But I would point out that he is already a dead man walking.

The conservatives have sowed to the wind and will reap the whirlwind.

But looking a little bit deeper it might reveal what NATO is up to with regards to Russia.

Similar clues are coming from other NATO nations.

Batten down the hatches folks s*** is about to happen
 
wayneL said:
In a word, yes. But I would point out that he is already a dead man walking.

The conservatives have sowed to the wind and will reap the whirlwind.

But looking a little bit deeper it might reveal what NATO is up to with regards to Russia.

Similar clues are coming from other NATO nations.

Batten down the hatches folks s*** is about to happen
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Does that rule out Western Europe for your final resting place?
 
SirRumpole said:
Does that rule out Western Europe for your final resting place?
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No. But it is a factor for consideration.

Like I said in the other thread it seems as far as the Western world is concerned, authoritarianism / totalitarianism seems to be a fait accompli, at least in our lifetimes.

The question is where we would be most happy culturally, in the absence of Millsian liberties.

Australia has many downsides for us, the many upsides have overruled those, particularly in terms of personal liberty and lifestyle.

Those two things are quickly disappearing as a overarching factor of life in Australia.

It is something which is and I would find difficult to explain in a post of a couple of paragraphs, but quickly becomes apparent in a discussion of a few hours over a few drinks vis a vis it is complex.

It's a cultural thing
 
The Triangle said:
Conservatives are going to be wiped off the map.
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The Triangle said:
People seem to be stuck in the oh well let's just vote for the opposite mentality.
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I think the real issue is none of the parties in 2024 do what they originally set out to do.

Conservatives aren't actually conservative.

Labour parties aren't much about workers.

Democratic parties aren't keen on democracy.

Environment parties aren't much about the environment.

Progressives tend to be more into revisionism and keeping yesterday's problems alive than actual progress on any issue.

For all of them even when it comes to their own self-proclaimed priorities they fall a long way short of actually delivering them.

Therein lies the basis of the overall crisis in political leadership. The irony that "identity politics" has in practice meant a complete loss of any real identity in terms of what they stand for.

This crisis of identity in the West isn't limited to politics. Other obvious examples including anti-intellectualism at universities which are the last place one would expect to find that. Or for a less serious one there's now country and even rap musicians in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame despite numerous hugely successful rock musicians not being in it, a situation that makes a mockery of the name.

That broad loss of purpose, focus and direction runs throughout the West's institutions from academia to entertainment.

For another, well you can get a better credit score by being in debt. Go figure...... :2twocents
 
PM Rishi Sunak says - if he wins the election - he will bring in a hybrid National Service model for all 18 year olds where 1 in 10 do military service for a year and the others do community service - may be a good thing in my view.

It will:

1. Improve readiness against autocratic regimes that have returned in force within Europe.
2. Engage the youth which are increasingly unhappy.
Having time off with your fellows for a year away from the caustic effects of social media while increasing country preparedness would probably do a lot of youth and the country some good.

The financial cost though will be great. The country is already going down the chute however the good may outweigh the bad.

Australia also is having trouble. Kids know longer join the Army Reserve and though I am not for the same model, perhaps we could afford to create a similar one year National Service style training with rewards such as removing student debt for UNI students or for high school students a tax free cash payment upon completion.

Lets face it, the world is getting nastier.

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4. Give unemployed young adults, some exposure to a structured lifestyle and possibly supply them with life and work skills.
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It will but as with all this there's the detail.

For many it's simply a missed year of work.

Next step = wage inflation. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
For many it's simply a missed year of work.
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Or for some, a missed year of sitting around with a lot of other disenfranchised unemployed youth, honing a drug habit.
I've experienced that one very close to home.
This is the ABC's take on it.
I would think there would be exemptions for youth who have a career already happening, as you say it is all in what the fine print says.


www.abc.net.au

It's been called 'bonkers' and 'a joke', but here's how PM Rishi Sunak wants to put his country's teenagers to work

British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced his party will bring back mandatory national service if they win the UK general election. What does this mean?
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
From the article:
British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced the Conservative Party will introduce mandatory national service if it wins the UK general election on July 4.

It was the first major policy announcement since Mr Sunak called a snap election last week.

Here is what we know about the proposed policy and the history of national service in Australia.

What is the difference between national service and conscription?​

Conscription means people are forced to join the armed forces for a certain period of time.

Mr Sunak's national service proposal falls some way short of that.

British 18-year-olds would be compelled to volunteer in the community or enter a 12-month placement in the armed forces.

What would national service look like in the UK?​

Teenagers would be given two choices if the Conservatives win the general election and enforce national service in the UK.

The first option would be volunteering in the community, giving up one weekend a month for a year.

Placements could include helping the NHS, police and fire services, and some charities.

A full-time placement in the armed forces for 12 months would be the second option.

Young people who chose this option would "learn and take part in logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations," the Conservatives said.

National service would apply to young people in England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

Would there be punishments for refusing?​

The proposed scheme would not force anyone to take part in military training and teenagers would not be sent to prison for refusing to comply.

But it would be required by law and there would be non-criminal sanctions for refusing.
 
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