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[Muckman]

What you said is true, but this is the current technology that we have (battery powered EV’s). This is a push towards for cars to be improved and more sustainable with the resources that we have. Sure, maybe in the future with new emerging technologies that battery powered will be not suitable but that has not come to fruition at the moment. Probably in the next 5-20 years, who knows.

I just think telsa owners are brain washed to a point that even when I tell them that if they had a choice between a v8 with zero emission to a telsa, they still choose the telsa lol like WTF? even when the engineering is against then they still insist.
Yes I would love to carry 500kg of dead weight yes sir

 

[Lucky777]

Well you clearly already formed your opinion. Good for you.

if anyone wanted to know more:
https://munrolive.com/

 

[Muckman]

If I had to choose I think I’d take his

 

[Lucky777]

So it’s battery powered? Cool story bruh.

 

[Muckman]

Don’t care It just looks better then a telsa. So it has a battery and it looks better so why wouldn’t you go this?

 

[Value Collector]

I just don’t see telsa cars an engineering achievement

The fact that they have to compromise the design around the battery of the car ses it all.
Your not buying a car it’s that simple. Your buying a battery with wheels. It’s that simple.
It’s nothing more then an over priced appliance. Anyone who is convinced they are buying one as an enthusiast is brainwashed. Honestly you have no idear what cars are all about if you think a telsa is a car.

Ok when you design a car first thing is weight. Everything you do you must keep your weight down. Putting a battery pack in the floor pan is not a option for a designer. It’s too heavy, and it’s not where all your structural integrity is so you try and save as much weight in the floor as much as possible. All the strength in a car is in the pillars and roof. What they call a space frame. It’s very strong and it’s light weight. Or you make your whole frame from carbon fibre which is very expensive.

To sit down and knowing your car is already going to weigh 500kg without even design the car is just ridiculous. It’s not efficient. So all up with all the equipment your always got about 600KG of dead weight on your car at all times not including your engine and drivetrain. It’s just not logical. And it’s why it’s never going to happen. Again, I’m all for the electric engine but battery cars is not the answer. Get rid of the 500kg batter then we can talk.

To be driving a Tesla with a half of a tank and knowing your carrying an excess of 300kg of dead weight is like being in a traitor pull

Sure Tesla’s have a battery, and petrol cars have a fuel tank and complicates drive chain, who cares?

sure they weigh a bit more, but they are still way more efficient so that extra weight is logical.

I know exactly what a car is all about, it’s about moving the people and things around that I need to move, and to get to the places I need to go, The Tesla achieves this goal perfectly.

Hahaha, you can call it an appliance if you like, but it is superior to any other car I have owned.

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You are fixated on things that are no problem in reality, if you really think Tesla is a crap company, with crap products don’t talk about it, put your money where you mouth is and take a short position.

 

[Value Collector]

I just think telsa owners are brain washed to a point that even when I tell them that if they had a choice between a v8 with zero emission to a telsa, they still choose the telsa lol like WTF? even when the engineering is against then they still insist.
Yes I would love to carry 500kg of dead weight yes sir

you are brainwashed if would choose the V8.

why would you choose the V8, firstly it doesn’t exist, Tesla’s do.

Secondly the V8 will be slower, it makes more noise, you can’t fill it home, it’s more expensive to fill, you are just brain washed into thinking V8s are manly.

Watch this street legal Tesla beat the $1million super cheap auto V8 super car.

 

[Value Collector]

Don’t care It just looks better then a telsa. So it has a battery and it looks better so

So get one then, no one is trying to force you to get a Tesla

why wouldn’t you go this?

do they have a fast charging network I can use like Tesla does?

Do they have auto pilot I can use on my road trips?

Are they cheaper than the Model 3 Tesla?

Are they even available in Australia yet?

look, if there was a Better ev on the market than the model 3 for the same price point I would have gotten that.

but you do you, if you like the look of something else get it, if you want a V8 get that, no one is trying to force you to buy a Tesla, all I am saying is that at the moment for what I need and want Tesla has the best offering.

 

[orr]

The metrics of just the auto element of Teslas production point toward a continued, repeat continued, expansion, in the realms of 50% of unit production per annum ....
It's the math..... I don't care if they never turn a profit ,,, the math points to 30 million units by 2030... Oh deary me if they only achieve 20 odd million.
And that's just auto production....

Fun fact.... Tesla's are almost 10x less likely to be in an accident while in auto pilot as measured in miles traveled than human(chimpanzee) piloted vehicle... go you monkeys.

 

[Muckman]

you are brainwashed if would choose the V8.

why would you choose the V8, firstly it doesn’t exist, Tesla’s do.

Secondly the V8 will be slower, it makes more noise, you can’t fill it home, it’s more expensive to fill, you are just brain washed into thinking V8s are manly.

Watch this street legal Tesla beat the $1million super cheap auto V8 super car.

You do know that a race car is set up for endurance right? Like you do know that ?
Surly you know that any car on this planet can outdo a telsa in a 24hour race or any race over its range capacity. A Tesla is a one shot only. There is no refuelling for a Tesla ok. A V8 or any car can stop and refuel. So if it’s just A to B your talking about

 

[Value Collector]

You do know that a race car is set up for endurance right? Like you do know that ?
Surly you know that any car on this planet can outdo a telsa in a 24hour race or any race over its range capacity. A Tesla is a one shot only. There is no refuelling for a Tesla ok. A V8 or any car can stop and refuel. So if it’s just A to B your talking about

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How often do you take part in 24 hour races? If they wanted too they could set up a Tesla to do a battery swap in about the same time as refueling takes, but they realised it’s not necessary and there is no benefit, because super charging is so quick anyway, and on a road trip you have to pee, it’s the human body that slows down road trips, not charging.

You can certainly do a 24 hour road trip in a Tesla in about the same time as you would in a petrol car as I have already explained, charging the Tesla along a Brisbane to Sydney type route doesn’t add anymore time to your road trip as you would normally take.

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90 second battery swap, without driver even getting out.

Check out this video of the automated battery swap, It’s faster than refueling your petrol car.

 

[Muckman]

 

[Muckman]

How often do you take part in 24 hour races? If they wanted too they could set up a Tesla to do a battery swap in about the same time as refueling takes, but they realised it’s not necessary and there is no benefit, because super charging is so quick anyway, and on a road trip you have to pee, it’s the human body that slows down road trips, not charging.

You can certainly do a 24 hour road trip in a Tesla in about the same time as you would in a petrol car as I have already explained, charging the Tesla along a Brisbane to Sydney type route doesn’t add anymore time to your road trip as you would normally take.

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90 second battery swap, without driver even getting out.

Check out this video of the automated battery swap, It’s faster than refueling your petrol car.

Hahaha that video posted 2013 lol pretty sure they fugued out that it was a completely stupid idear from the start and it was just a gimmick.
Who in the right mind is going to have hundreds or thousands of spare battery cells just laying around to be swapped out? And not mowing what condition the replaced unit your getting. Sorry that idear is just completely abandoned and stupid don’t even know why you’d even bring it up just shows how desperate you are to try and win the argument.
Admit it. A V8 or any other engine that runs on a Co2 neutral fuel is the death of Tesla. Renewable energy that creates carbon neutral liquid fuel that has more density and that can be used in any vehicle today. And be transported using existing infrastructure and also usable in the industrial and commercial sector. Why would you want a Tesla ?
Remember that 500kg dead weight not getting lighter and it’s not gonna last for ever. They age and there’s nothing you can do about it. You can’t fix it at home and it’s god dam expensive to replace. It’s just a huge liability to have under your car and iv seen so many horror stories.
Clean fuel clean engines that’s the key.
Small capacity engines with Hibrid systems with super capacitors with integrated electric motors.

Even Formula 1 is going carbon neutral switching to 2 stroke engines running synthetic fuels having high power bands with a small capacity with high torque electric motors. All co2 neutral.

You will see a lot of change in the next 2 years believe me

 

[Muckman]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tranded-hours-half-mile-long-line-charge.html

 

[Value Collector]

Hahaha that video posted 2013 lol pretty sure they fugued out that it was a completely stupid idear from the start and it was just a gimmick.
Who in the right mind is going to have hundreds or thousands of spare battery cells just laying around to be swapped out? And not mowing what condition the replaced unit your getting. Sorry that idear is just completely abandoned and stupid don’t even know why you’d even bring it up just shows how desperate you are to try and win the argument.
Admit it. A V8 or any other engine that runs on a Co2 neutral fuel is the death of Tesla. Renewable energy that creates carbon neutral liquid fuel that has more density and that can be used in any vehicle today. And be transported using existing infrastructure and also usable in the industrial and commercial sector. Why would you want a Tesla ?
Remember that 500kg dead weight not getting lighter and it’s not gonna last for ever. They age and there’s nothing you can do about it. You can’t fix it at home and it’s god dam expensive to replace. It’s just a huge liability to have under your car and iv seen so many horror stories.
Clean fuel clean engines that’s the key.
Small capacity engines with Hibrid systems with super capacitors with integrated electric motors.

Even Formula 1 is going carbon neutral switching to 2 stroke engines running synthetic fuels having high power bands with a small capacity with high torque electric motors. All co2 neutral.

You will see a lot of change in the next 2 years believe me

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Yeah, as I said they realised it’s not needed, because super charging is good enough. but it shows you what is possible if they wanted to.

I show you the battery swap as an example of what could be done if they wanted to get into racing, since you seem hung up on that.

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you are just repeating yourself now.

you don’t seem to be paying attention to the fact that it is not about energy density, it is about energy efficiency.

Do yourself a favour and do a bit of research and answer these 3 questions.

1, how much energy has to be used to create 1L of tour carbon neutral fuel.

2, how far can a V8 drive on this 1L

3, how far could an EV drive if that energy was used to charge a battery instead.

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Any way, unless you can understand the answers to those 3 questions I don’t think you will get it.

but you will eventually as society moves away from the combustion engine, just like we moved away from the horse.

 

[Value Collector]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tranded-hours-half-mile-long-line-charge.html

Hahaha, people with petrol cars get stranded all the time because of flat batteries, and have to call road side assistance.

I have never had a flat battery in my Tesla, but over the years my commodore had multiple flat batteries.

 

[basilio]

Found an excellent article analyzing energy use and running costs per 100 klms for electric cars.

The electricity is costed at 27c kwhr

https://thedriven.io/2020/08/03/which-electric-car-is-the-cheapest-to-run/

 

[Value Collector]

Found an excellent article analyzing energy use and running costs per 100 klms for electric cars.

The electricity is costed at 27c kwhr
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https://thedriven.io/2020/08/03/which-electric-car-is-the-cheapest-to-run/

It would be interesting to see a similar breakdown for Muckmans beloved V8s here talks about, an then see him explain why the energy density of petrol translates doesn't seem to give V8s any sort of real world advantage, even though is his opinion batteries are "dead weight"

 

[orr]

Thanks Bas fro the per/100km figures...
My case is I do 50,000km/annum(business). That costs me $8k in diesel alone.... the Cybertruck will half that cost even if i have to buy the Electricity from the grid(not my postion)... Thats $4K.
That $4k would finance a $100K loan.
A couple of months back I quizzed Tesla in Martin Pl (Syd) on their finance options; McQuarrie are stiched up wth Tesla at circa 3.75% from memory.

Oh while we're here; Muckers, What (if anything) do you know about 'full body casting'? (patents owed by TSLA)... And just for giggles (if anything) of FormulaE???

 

[Value Collector]

I hope you understand that this is a fake prank video.

however, an interesting point to note is that even if you did charge your Tesla using a petrol generator, you would still get more km’s per litre than if you put that petrol into a petrol car.

There are actually hybrids that use that exact theory, the Chevy Bolt is an electric car with only a small battery, that is charged as you drive using an on board petrol engine, you fuel it up like a regular petrol car and it burns the petrol to make electricity.

It is more efficient than a straight petrol car, but less efficient than charging a bigger battery from the grid.