TSLA - Tesla Motors Inc (NASDAQ)

[Value Collector]

Interesting seeing the elonbot the other day. Social media widely mocked it. But people are stupid for not seeing this for what it is.

Bringing a robot to the masses for $20k range will be the dawn of a new age. It will have huge ramifications (both good and bad). Productivity alone would jump massively.

Obviously it's a way off.
But it will completely change society.

Also there is a bigger picture to it.

Other companies have some bot hardware that can do interesting things like flips and jogging etc that the Tesla boys hardware can’t match yet. but the hardware improvements will come.

But, the Tesla Bots strength is going to be its software, its ability to navigate through the world and complete a variety of tasks will be what makes the big difference.

Think about it as being the difference between a Tesla with Full self driving vs a car without.

 

[moXJO]

Also there is a bigger picture to it.

Other companies have some bot hardware that can do interesting things like flips and jogging etc that the Tesla boys hardware can’t match yet. but the hardware improvements will come.

But, the Tesla Bots strength is going to be its software, its ability to navigate through the world and complete a variety of tasks will be what makes the big difference.

Think about it as being the difference between a Tesla with Full self driving vs a car without.

Makes you wonder if in the distant future there will be software upgrades for skills, or tasks. Downloading software so your robot can fix the car, or paint your house.

God even something as mundane as mowing the lawn, or doing the washing.

Big picture is a little scary though. Lots of jobs will simply be gone. Not just for us but also for a lot of visa holders that work in richer nations. There was talk of no longer needing money in a robotic future. But I only heard a snippet. Hard to wrap my head around.

 

[Value Collector]

Makes you wonder if in the distant future there will be software upgrades for skills, or tasks. Downloading software so your robot can fix the car, or paint your house.

God even something as mundane as mowing the lawn, or doing the washing.

Big picture is a little scary though. Lots of jobs will simply be gone. Not just for us but also for a lot of visa holders that work in richer nations. There was talk of no longer needing money in a robotic future. But I only heard a snippet. Hard to wrap my head around.

Yep, there will 100% be software upgrades and updates regularly.

It’s not scary, it’s amazing and necessary.

Think about how important it will be to have have robots in a world with an ageing population and a falling birth rate.

Sure robots are definitely going to take away a lot of jobs, but that will just free up the work force to focus on other areas.

To be honest I think there is a large amount of the work force that would like to retire earlier than 70, work less hours or less days per week.

If Robots can boost over all productivity and output, while requiring less human hours of input, that’s got to be a great thing.

 

[moXJO]

Yep, there will 100% be software upgrades and updates regularly.

It’s not scary, it’s amazing and necessary.

Think about how important it will be to have have robots in a world with an ageing population and a falling birth rate.

Sure robots are definitely going to take away a lot of jobs, but that will just free up the work force to focus on other areas.

To be honest I think there is a large amount of the work force that would like to retire earlier than 70, work less hours or less days per week.

If Robots can boost over all productivity and output, while requiring less human hours of input, that’s got to be a great thing.

If you have money it will be amazing. Living in a dictatorship in some third world shthole might not be catching the sunshine.

Literally everything with the way the world is run will have to change imo before everyone truly benefits. But maybe that's already in motion.

 

[Value Collector]

If you have money it will be amazing. Living in a dictatorship in some third world shthole might not be catching the sunshine.

Literally everything with the way the world is run will have to change imo before everyone truly benefits. But maybe that's already in motion.

Machines and automation have been making the economy less labour intensive for a couple of hundred years.

Robots are just a continuation of a well established trend, nothing to fear, human labour will just be augmented and redirected, freed up into higher value areas.

For example, imagine a situation where the current over worked and rushed nurses in a nursing home each have two robot “helpers” they can delegate the most mundane tasks to, and there fore free up their time to give more human one on one care to patients.

Some people freaked out when self checkouts popped up, saying that cashiers were going to lose their jobs on mass, but instead now more labour has been redirected to serving customers in other ways, such as filling click and collect orders etc.

 

[JohnDe]

Musk has painted a target on his back, Tesla now needs to deliver in more ways than one -

Musk says Pepsi to receive Tesla's first Semi trucks in December

Oct 6 (Reuters) - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) is starting Semi electric commercial truck production and PepsiCo Inc will get the first deliveries on Dec. 1, the electric vehicle maker's chief Elon Musk tweeted on Thursday.

When Musk unveiled the prototype of the futuristic, battery-powered Semi in 2017, he said the Class 8 truck would go into production by 2019.

However, the timeline has been pushed multiple times due to part shortages and Musk said the production would be delayed to next year. In August, he announced the planned production of the truck.

In another tweet, Musk reiterated that the vehicle has a range of 500 miles (805 km). It was not immediately clear how many Semi trucks the electric vehicle maker plans to produce.

The truck is expected to cost $180,000, although it would qualify for a tax break of up to $40,000 under a U.S. subsidy program approved by the Senate.

Back in 2017, PepsiCo reserved 100 of Tesla's semi electric trucks as it sought to reduce fuel costs and fleet emissions.

In an interview with CNBC last year, PepsiCo's top boss Ramon Laguarta had said transportation accounted for 10% of the company's gas emissions.

The maker of Mountain Dew soda and Doritos chips had previously said it aims to use the trucks to ship snack foods and beverages between manufacturing and distribution centers as well as to retailers.

PepsiCo did not immediately respond to a Reuters' request for comment.

 

[moXJO]

Was buying up at $200 but had to add funds. Now it's pumped a bit so here's hoping it falls back so I get another stab at it.

 

[Value Collector]

The future is looking pretty bright for Tesla, it looks like with its exisiting factories and car models it should be able to keep growing its sales by about 50% per year for the next few years.

Then of course they have the Tesla Semi, Cyber truck and Roadster on the way, not to mention the energy storage business.

 

[moXJO]

The future is looking pretty bright for Tesla, it looks like with its exisiting factories and car models it should be able to keep growing its sales by about 50% per year for the next few years.

Then of course they have the Tesla Semi, Cyber truck and Roadster on the way, not to mention the energy storage business.

I like the overall outlook. To me, the company looks good.

However this bear market doesn't feel like it's hit bottom.
I'm a little worried it can fall to $150-$120.
Not sure about the twitter sign over on Friday either.
Then there's the election.
A lot of stuff going on.


Flogged a few off at $230 to try and raise my free carries.

 

[noirua]

 

[SirRumpole]

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Crickets from the Musk luvvies so far.

 

[Value Collector]

Crickets from the Musk luvvies so far.

Markets fluctuate it’s not a big deal, it could actually be a good thing for Tesla considering they might be doing a $10 Billion share buy back, if that goes ahead you want the share price to be low.

 

[SirRumpole]

Markets fluctuate it’s not a big deal, it could actually be a good thing for Tesla considering they might be doing a $10 Billion share buy back, if that goes ahead you want the share price to be low.

Why would people sell their shares back at a loss ?

If I was a Tesla shareholder I'd say "if you want my shares, make it worth my while ".

 

[Value Collector]

Why would people sell their shares back at a loss ?

If I was a Tesla shareholder I'd say "if you want my shares, make it worth my while ".

People are selling shares on the share market every day, a buy back just means that the company starts buying some and cancelling them, obviously the people that think it’s worth more won’t sell their shares, but millions of shares will be traded everyday regardless.

Also, the current price is still over a 1000% higher than it was a few years ago, so not everyone is selling at a lose.

 

[Value Collector]

Also, the current price is still over a 1000% higher than it was a few years ago, so not everyone is selling at a lose.

I just ran some numbers and 3 years ago when I bought my Tesla (Car), the share price was only $16.06 today it’s over $190.

So even after the recent share price decline, if I had purchase Tesla shares instead of a Tesla car, those shares would be worth $880,000 today, some how I don’t think a lot of Tesla share holders are to stressed.

 

[noirua]

Why would people sell their shares back at a loss ?

If I was a Tesla shareholder I'd say "if you want my shares, make it worth my while ".

A number of well heeled people are now shorting TESLA. One lost US$700,000 shorting on the way up. Now says he is nearly back all square. He has a big following also in the United States. Rumours say Elon Musk is wary of his personal cash position and that of Tesla as they buy into miners in Mexico and Australia. TESLA are due to set up a new Lithium refining plant in Mexico tying in with a major Chinese partner.

A Tesla factory in Mexico? Elon Musk meets with Nuevo Leon state officials, reports say

Photographers spotted Tesla CEO Elon Musk in northern Mexico meeting with economic officials. Local media suggested Musk could be looking for plant space or meeting with suppliers.

www.autonews.com

 

[Value Collector]

A number of well heeled people are now shorting TESLA. One lost US$700,000 shorting on the way up. Now says he is nearly back all square. He has a big following also in the United States. Rumours say Elon Musk is wary of his personal cash position and that of Tesla as they buy into miners in Mexico and Australia. TESLA are due to set up a new Lithium refining plant in Mexico tying in with a major Chinese partner.

A Tesla factory in Mexico? Elon Musk meets with Nuevo Leon state officials, reports say

Photographers spotted Tesla CEO Elon Musk in northern Mexico meeting with economic officials. Local media suggested Musk could be looking for plant space or meeting with suppliers.

www.autonews.com

I don’t know about musks personal bank accounts, But Tesla ended the last quarter with over $20 Billion in cash on hand, despite also making large capital expenditures.

Tesla are generating a lot of cash these days, hence why they might be doing a $10 Billion buy back to get rid of some of that cash.

 

[moXJO]

Crickets from the Musk luvvies so far.

I'll start buying again between $100-$200.

I think two things are happening. We had money disappear from the system (bubble popped). Then we have a targeted campaign of fear, plus some bad news out of Teslas control (eg China lockdowns, material shortages).

Tesla cops a lot of hate and as much as musk annoys the sht out of me at times. The guy is fantastic at getting to a result and cutting out bloat.

I do believe this is the guy that will change the world. He is primed for delivering AI and robotics to the mainstream. Some real geniuses working with him as well.

He knows to develop a saleable product early and keep developing it on the go. This method will see us reach that "Beyond 2000" TV program from the 80s visions.
The deeper I researched Elon the more I respected his ability, resolve, and vision.

This is a stock (probably the only one) that I'd accumulate for the long term.

 

[JohnDe]

I'll start buying again between $100-$200.

I think two things are happening. We had money disappear from the system (bubble popped). Then we have a targeted campaign of fear, plus some bad news out of Teslas control (eg China lockdowns, material shortages).

Tesla cops a lot of hate and as much as musk annoys the sht out of me at times. The guy is fantastic at getting to a result and cutting out bloat.

I do believe this is the guy that will change the world. He is primed for delivering AI and robotics to the mainstream. Some real geniuses working with him as well.

He knows to develop a saleable product early and keep developing it on the go. This method will see us reach that "Beyond 2000" TV program from the 80s visions.
The deeper I researched Elon the more I respected his ability, resolve, and vision.

This is a stock (probably the only one) that I'd accumulate for the long term.

Agreed.

There is a very high chance of a stock buyback.

Tesla is flirting with its first-ever share buyback - and it's a signal the company thinks its stock is undervalued

Tesla is flirting with its first-ever share buyback - and it's a signal the company thinks its stock is undervalued

CEO Elon Musk told analysts late Wednesday that Tesla was considering a share buyback of $5 billion to $10 billion.

markets.businessinsider.com

 

[Value Collector]

Agreed.

There is a very high chance of a stock buyback.

Tesla is flirting with its first-ever share buyback - and it's a signal the company thinks its stock is undervalued

Tesla is flirting with its first-ever share buyback - and it's a signal the company thinks its stock is undervalued

CEO Elon Musk told analysts late Wednesday that Tesla was considering a share buyback of $5 billion to $10 billion.

markets.businessinsider.com

That’s Apples play book, bring out a range of high demand products making decent profit margins and then divert excess cash to buy backs.

Tesla is getting to that stage where the cash will start building up faster than they can deploy it into new investments. Once that happens the only thing left to do is either clear debt, pay dividends or buy back shares.

1, clearing debt below certain interest rates is not attractive compared to buy backs if the share price is low.

2, paying Dividends is not as attractive either because the USA has a 15% tax on dividends.

3, buy backs don’t have to be consistent, where as people expect a certain level of consistency with dividends.