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TSLA - Tesla Motors Inc (NASDAQ)

From electek

I can't imagine all the other EV manufacturers are immune from the inflationary aspects of raw materials increases.
Mick
 
From electek

In 2021, Tesla made so many price increases that we have lost count.
I can't imagine all the other EV manufacturers are immune from the inflationary aspects of raw materials increases.
Mick

That's strange, I remember a price reduction last year because I just missed it -

July 12 2021: Tesla has once again dropped the price of its most popular model Down Under – the Model 3's entry-level variant coming in at $59,900 before on-road costs.
The carmaker has cut the asking price significantly since the model arrived in Australia back in 2019, when its recommended retail price (RRP) was $66,000.
In addition to the Standard Range Plus, the mid-level and range-topping Long Range and Performance variants have also had their costs slashed, now priced at $73,400 and $84,900 respectively.
With the model now on offer at an all time low, both the Standard Range Plus and Long Range fall beneath the current Luxury Car Tax threshold of $79,659, and the Standard Range Plus is also made more affordable with various electric vehicle subsidies and incentives offered by several Australian states.
 
Tesla reduced their prices in OZ allright, (I think from memory the model 3 dropped by 4k), but this article is talkling about America.
In the US, there were a number of price rises.
Indeed, there was some suggestions that US buyers were subsidising Teslas overseas growth.
From Autoblog

While there are subsides, encouragements etc from Governments, market distortions inevitably occur.
Mick
 
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US Tesla pricing was cheapest in the world, price increases brought them closer to world parity. If you look at Tesla pricing for spares, accessories, upgrades and extras are priced in similarly across the globe, once you take into account exchange rates.
 
Look mate, you obviously are a big fan of Tesla, but if you read the original article at all, it quoted Tesla as saying that the pice increases were due to inflationary pressures , particularly Nickel. There was no mention of bringing them up to price parity, whatever that level is.
I would have thought that most people would be able to draw the conclusion that these inflationary pressures will be applicable to all cars, made or exported, in all countries.
If you read my comment at the end of that article, I said these same inflationary pressures will apply to all vehicles, regardless of make or origin.
Mick
 


"it quoted Tesla as saying that the price increases were due to inflationary pressures , particularly Nickel." I'm sorry but I can not see where the article quotes Tesla, maybe my eyes and brain are suffering from a full weeks work load. Could you pin point it for me please?

I have no doubt that inflationary pressure will have some affects on Tesla pricing, but my mention of Tesla price parity is something that has been slowly going on for over a year.

Tesla profit margin on each vehicle sold is much larger than the traditional vehicle manufacturers, giving Tesla more leeway with pricing. Supply is the problem, with some markets having a 6+ month waiting list.
 
My apologies, although the article did mention that Tesla said the price was due to supply constraints, the article did not quote Tesla when it talked about Nickel as being one of the supply constraints.
Tesla profit margin on each vehicle sold is much larger than the traditional vehicle manufacturers,
Do you have any financial stats to back that up?
According to mint
The low end model 3 will also have the lowest margins.
Big margins will only be made on the top level accessory filled vehicles.
Its no secret that all vehicle makers are moving production to the high end of all their models for just that reason.
Mick
 
Do you have any financial stats to back that up?
According to mint


Mick

The financials came out a few months ago, they seemed healthy to me. Here's a short breakdown from an industry follower -

Tesla reported blockbuster quarterly and annual earnings last week, notching its single largest net profit number of US$2.32 billion for Q4 and US$5.5 billion annual profit on $53.8 billion of revenue for 2021. That's a bit over 10% net income for the year, but the actual margin on building electric vehicles is much higher. Tucked in the latest Tesla earnings report is the tidbit that its cost of goods sold (COGS) directly attributable to the production of an electric vehicle in the second half of 2021 was US$36,000. That's how much the average Tesla car costs in parts and assembly. Needless to say, a Model S Plaid or Model Y will cost more to build than the humble Model 3 that starts from a US$45,000 MSRP, but the reported gross margin on all vehicles across Tesla's portfolio is very healthy, tipped the electric carmaker's CFO:
"For Q4, specifically, automotive gross margin, excluding credits, increased to 29.2%, which is our highest yet. We do expect to continue to see stronger operating margins as we grow our volumes and improve operating leverage. Over a longer term horizon, we are quite optimistic about the expansion of margins. From the hardware side, we are aggressively driving manufacturing innovations and operational efficiency to reduce cost."
Nearly 30% gross profit margin from your immediate operations and the potential for further increases should be music to the ears of any Tesla investor. Granted, it's not Apple's 42% gross margin, but it's still a significant achievement for a company making electric cars that many others are now striving to do profitably. As per Tesla's Q4 report:
"While EVs were often deemed structurally unprofitable due to expensive batteries, we were convinced that manufacturing innovation, purpose-built vehicles and factories would solve cost concerns. In Q3-2021 (the last widely reported quarter), Tesla achieved the highest operating margin across all volume OEMs. Cost (COGS) per vehicle dropped to ~$36,000 in both Q3 and Q4 2021. We believe our current projects, including large castings, structural battery pack, 4680 cells and many others, should help us continue to minimize our product cost."

 
I suppose we could take Teslas word for it, but my scepticism of reports produced in house makes me want to wait until the financials for the year come out.
Mick
 
No
Not quite detailed enough to see what their margins are.
They get a goodly amount of income from selling carbon credits, and there is no breakdown of revenue in the link from NASDAQ.
From The Driven this article refers to the last quarter of 2020, but it was the latest I could find.
The article suggests that it is becoming less of a percentage over time, but its still hard to find what the current figures are.
Mick
 

carbon credits are minimal now. Look closer, you need to go through all four tabs.

to help you out I’ve dug out the financial report that Tesla released at the end of January, which has been reported and praised by many financial experts -

 
The four tabs in the link you provided I presume are those blue ones headed as below

I went through them all, they are at a macro level, does not provide any breakdown of income, it shows Gross income, but nowhere could I see the breakdown of what constituted that income.
I read the very first press release noticed that the fourth quarter production and deliveries report had the following



It would seem that the vast majority of the vehicles are model 3 and Y.
I don't know why they did not break down these figures into the various models, and then it would be obvious as to how many of the highly
profitable heavily optioned top end models it sold.
I wonder how many of those 936,00 deliveries for the year were the bottom end model 3 versus the top end model s Plaid?
The financial report shows the carbon credits at about 3% of Gross revenue, so it is not material.
But it does not provide any breakdowns by model, which makes it difficult to work out how profitable each one is.
It does make good reading though, when any company is improving its financials at that rate, it is deffinitely heading in the right direction.
Mick
 

 

 
 
Tesla shares pop a quick 5% after Teslas tweets it wants to issue more shares to enable a stock split.
From Zero hedge

Mick
 
Tesla shares pop a quick 5% after Teslas tweets it wants to issue more shares to enable a stock split.
From Zero hedge


Mick

Worked out quite well when they did that last time. The main idea is to keep the share price affordable, especially for employees who take up the option of the SPP as part of their pay benefits.

Another reason for the price rise over the past week could be the numbers -




 
Maybe they need to do a 1000 for 1 stock split, so the share price drops to $1 and they will never have to worry about stock splits again.

I always wonder why American companies seem to hate having share prices under $100, but then rush to split when it hits $500 or $1000, resulting in some companies regularly doing splits (every 5 or 10 years of so).

I have no idea why they just don’t do a low share price eg $1, to begin with and not have to worry about another split for 100 years or so.
 

When I read your post my first thought was, 'if the SP is dropped too low it could create a snowball affect of trader activity which adds no value and undermines long term investors.

 
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