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John I don't believe Zoe Williams was referencing "the New World Order" as highlighted in the Wiki post you quoted.

Rather she was voicing the concern of a "New World Order " that sees an aggressively authoritarian US Government encouraging a similar Far Right political movement across Europe and further abroad.

JD Vance actively opened dialogue with the Far Right ADF party in Germany and openly attacked European Countries that don't support the ideas Trump is pressing.

These include
1) Forcing Ukraine into a peace that undermines its viability and offers no security guarantees
2) Forcibly removing 2 million Palestinians from Gaza to enable a US dominated redevelopment plan
3) Demanding that Greenland become an American possession because "It is in the US strategic interest"
4) Demanding that the Panama Canal becomes US controlled again because "It is in the US Strategic interest"
5) Insisting that Canada becomes part of the US again because "It is in the US Strategic interest"
6) Raising Tariffs and starting a Trade war across the globe which threatens international trading
7) Denying the world wide need to combat Climate change and attempting to destroy international efforts to that end.
 
Sounds like the U.S trying to secure its borders and trying to make itself less dependant on Chinese manufacturing and imported goods.

A New World Order could also be caused if the only place the Western World could source all its white goods, all its cars, all it electronics etc was from China and China wanted to hold everyone to ransom.
That would be interesting, it isn't as though they didn't flex their muscles with us over the covid issue.
Imagine if they put an embargo on sending anything to Australia and you couldn't buy a fridge or air con from anywhere else, it wouldn't be good and with global warming it obviously would be life changing. Lol
 
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Fascinating.

Completely disregard the concrete issues of aggression and dominance that trump is pushing and instead come up with a silly China hypothetical. China will never be the sole supplier of cars, electronics ect.

And when did "Secure its borders" encompass taking over Greenland, The Gaza Strip (after cleansing it of the Palestinians) the Panama Canal and Canada ? Or is the whole world a legitimate target of Trumps ambitions to "secure its borders"

Give us a break John.
 

Exactly.


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Fascinating.

Completely disregard the concrete issues of aggression and dominance that trump is pushing and instead come up with a silly China hypothetical. China will never be the sole supplier of cars, electronics ect.
Aggression and dominance takes many forms grasshopper.
Take for example how our nickel industry has been decimated, how our wine and crayfish were hammered and please do tell me how Western car manufacturers are going to compete with China producing high volume cars?
You really do need to expand your thought horizons IMO.
It was only 50 odd years ago that England was a huge manufacturer of motor bikes. Lol
And the Poms thought just like you. Lol
The difference is China, is like Japan on steriods, Japan killed the U.K car manufacturing and they are small fry compared to China.
But hey you keep on the tamborine, it is entertaining.
I tell you what Bas, try and find something electrical or produced from metal in your house, that isn't made in China.
Then check your cookware, cuttlery, cups, plates,phone,fridge, washing machine etc.
 
Writing in The New York Times last month, Thomas B. Edsall outlined the extent of the conservative-driven backlash against progressivism that had got so little analytical attention and was under-appreciated in Australian discussion during 2024 about the US election contest.
Edsall quoted Stony Brook University sociology professor Musa al-Gharbi saying Democrats were “increasingly out of step with the median voter as they catered ever more around the preferences of knowledge economy professionals” – those employed in higher education, hi-tech, the law, healthcare, entertainment, human resources, media and information.
Divisions across different economic and social domains had a deeper meaning as “facets of a more fundamental schism in American society”.
The source of progressive strength – its long march through the institutions – has been derailed in Trump’s victory. Suddenly, it was a negative – a turning point in contemporary politics. In America the institutions that had become the carriers of progressive ideology had become unpopular and untrusted.

 
Trump is actively undermining Western Alliances actively undermining US structures of governance and oversight, not to mention directing DOJ directly on prosecutions/ ceasing prosecutions. Interesting Xi did the same thing under the guise of fighting corruption Trumps Trojan Horse is similar the cult cheering on
 
In Europe there seems to be a certain contempt for innovations that are occurring in the United States, not least at the governmental level.
There has been much whining and howling about DOGE’s attempts to not just stop government waste but actually expose it. One of its great advantages so far is you not only see a way in which a country like America might balance the budget but, in stripping away all those layers of bureaucracy, you also discover the kind of rot our societies have been willing to put up with for so long.
The administration in Washington – after USAID was found to be so rotten it had to be gotten rid of entirety – is now looking at the Department of Education. In America, as in the rest of West, there is no greater task. In New York State, where I spend much of my time, an average spend for state school is now, per pupil, around $US35,000 a year.
In America, the idea remains that life is risky – that success is risky. But across much of the West, we’ve fallen into a kind of complacency, which is a sort of welfarism.

 
Allies have become "progressive sht bombs". Europe and Canada changed the fabric of who they were via mass migration. Europe is entrapped by elites.
I was watching the EU parliament sitting and its just a crock.

USA doesn't need much in the way of allies if they are just leaching off the US taxpayers. I know the narrative the progressives are trying to drive, but I think it's just more propaganda.
 
China will never be the sole supplier of cars, electronics ect.
To a considerable extent it already is.

China has a far greater stranglehold over Western society than the Arabs ever had via oil.

Check the device you're reading this on and where it was made. Unless you've cobbled together some Frankenstein arrangement that involves a Commodore 64 connected to an old Astor TV as the monitor and with the internet being accessed via a 75/1200 modem then you're using Chinese equipment that's a given.

The other big problem is this. Without getting into a debate about the issue itself, you've previously expressed concern in regards to climate change. Now I'm aware that's a contentious subject so I'm not entering a debate about that here, just noting it.

Now at present Australia exports $183.4 billion a year worth of fossil fuels based on the figures Google brings up with about half that being coal. That's over $500 million per day, every day.

Under the present world order Australia has no alternative to not only continuing that fossil fuel export but increasing it over time. In other words, we need more, not less, CO2 emitted if we're to stick with that economic model.

Now I don't think one needs to be an environmentalist, or even consider climate change to be legitimate, to have at least some concerns about that. Even if someone considers the CO2 to be a non-issue, there's still the problems that gas in particular is a relatively limited resource then there's the other environmental impacts of open cut mines and so on.

I've been consciously aware of and watching relentless decline since Hawke was PM of Australia. Industry after industry has gone, to be replaced with more coal, gas and iron ore exports. To the point that entire industries are now actually extinct in Australia and it's not just cars.

For a practical example of the decline of the West in general, just get a sheet of A4 paper. Nothing fancy, just ordinary white A4 paper. Place it in front of you and take a good look at that sheet of paper.

Now realise this. The process of hardwood Kraft pulping, was invented and first commercially used in......

Tasmania.

That Tasmania yes, the island state south of Victoria. Tasmania Australia. That was the first place to successfully manufacture paper from hardwoods, achieved by heavily modifying processes in use for softwoods at the time. Prior to that, everyone said you can't make paper without pine trees - turns out oh yes you can.

Now if you'd bought a ream of white A4 paper 40 years ago then there was a high chance it was the Reflex brand, manufactured by APPM at Burnie Tas. And that's also where Burnie Bond and Burnie Board came from among other products.

Now that mill was still a technological leader 50 years ago with the process enhancement of AQ pulping.

Go there today and you'll find a derelict site, mostly demolished, and a Bunnings store on part of it. APPM, or simply "the pulp" as locals called it, is long gone.

And it's not just Burnie. Not far away the Wesley Vale mill owned by the same company met the same fate, so did Shoalhaven in NSW and so did every other mill in the country. Today we manufacture no white office paper at all in Australia, the closest it gets is there's still some production of low grade packaging papers and newsprint although the proverbial writing is very much on the wall there especially the latter.

So we can't even make paper using a process Australia invented the first time, then reinvented and improved a second time. With the particular twist that the paper industry, and APPM specifically, were directly targeted by a federal Labor government that blocked modernisation plans, sealing the fate of the industry.

So we've scrapped an entire industry and switched to imports that we balance by selling fossil fuels. I trust the problem here is readily apparent.

Now repeat that for everything from windows to tools to cars to TV's to light switches to shoes to bed sheets. All met the same fate.

Now I'm not exactly a huge fan of Trump as a man, but as I've previously noted in my view he's the wrong man with the right message but all things considered well at least he might bring the change that's needed, because it's pretty clear the others won't.

Because quite simply the path Australia, the US and many others have been on just isn't sustainable in any way. Environment, geology, economics, the tolerance of the general public or a war starts - it's a question of which gives out first but something's going to give if we continue down that path.

So I don't like Trump's approach at the personal level but someone needs to force change and at the international level he's really the only card on the table.
 
Obviously I can't see Bas losing his mind over Trump. It's pointless arguing with him as the guy has a severe case of TDS. It's actually good to see some of our other left leaners have moderated themselves away from the craziness of the first term. Everyone is watching on to see if what Trump does works.

Not many in my personal opinion like Trump as a man. However, you can respect his tenacity and the fact he is the only one trying something different.
Most of us can see Australia hurtling towards irrelevance and hard times. We have become a quagmire of bureaucracy, stupidity, laziness, authoritarianism, that produces nothing.

The west needs change right now and Trump is the only one that stepped up. This socialist experiment needs to end. Things like the ndis and public service pay needs to be reigned in or this country is on a collision course with disaster. Everything from education to the tax system needs to be rethought.
 
Spot on Mo, the fact is the U.S is the only market place big enough and cohesive enough to affect China.

China's trade imbalance with the U.S is huge and China is rapidly becoming self sufficient, where in the not too distant future with the aid of Russia and Asia, China will probably not require the U.S market.

IMO unless steps are taken the West will be completely exposed to a dependence on China, that will lead to a global conflict, there just wont be any other option.

As yourself and @Smurf1976 have said Trump is a very unattractive personality, but if something isn't done now to halt the slide, the window of opportunity to use economic methods will close IMO.
 
I don't think the craziness is confined to the West.
China is in a demographic decline, becoming more authoritarian, and more beligerant.
The middle eastern countries are still a basket case, with Syria joining Lebanon, Iraq and Iran as dysfunctional societies where religious zealots screw the rest of society. I would expect that thanks to the ultra orthodox Jews in israel, it will go the same way.
Religious extremism by Hindus is holding back India from where it should be, and exactly the same can be said of Indonesia except in that country its Muslim extremism.
South Africa's decline is well noted, and very few African nations have even a semblance of stability.
South America, apart from perhaps Argentina, have economies that have been or are in the process of being run into the ground.
The Asian Tigers, corrupt one party states most of them.
Mick
 
There's "decline" then there's westerners trying to destroy their society with stupidity. We replaced religion with wokeism. Eventually people need to realise that nothing gets done without a touch of nationalism. Too many groups with agendas provide constant chaos.
 
This is how I see it.

Let's dance in style, let's dance for a while
Heaven can wait, we're only watching the skies
Hoping for the best but expecting the worst
Are you gonna drop the bomb or not?

Can you imagine when this race is won
Turn our golden faces into the sun
Praising our leaders, we're getting in tune
The music's played by the mad man

Forever Young Dylan, Alphaville
 
Larry Fink has conceded the business cultural pendulum had moved “way too far to the left” and was rapidly moving in the other direction.
The comments comes as a new Trump administration in Washington is rapidly resetting corporate culture. This includes aggressively rolling-back regulation, boosting oil and gas, while unwinding billions in former president Joe Biden’s renewable funding programs.
More recently in Trump’s sights have been corporate diversity targets, which has seen some on Wall Street to stage a retreat from more explicit plans.
“Our job is to be working with both sides, and yes – as governments change, you can move from a more progressive view of life to a more conservative view of life, and it doesn’t change our responsibilities”.
“This is what I have to remind everybody. We’re not, you know, we’re our job is to be focusing on 30 year outcomes for retirement. Our job is to be working on other issues. And so, yes, there is a change of environment.
“We’re going to adapt. We’re going to change”.


 
It seems that some of the data that came from the WH via DOGE may be exaggerrated, or used incorrectly.
Although there is little doubt that there are more people on the Social Security database than are counted US citizens, and indeed some of them are well over 120 years old, it does NOT mean they were being paid benefits.
It seems people cannot be removed from the roles unless death certificates are issued and other legal procedures are met.
Until then, they stay role.
Until some further data mining is done, and payments are shown to have been made, its just an administrative balls up, not a fraud.
Same with all the people who are supposed to have the same SSN.
Until data is shown to prove that money went out to these duplicates, its another administrative procedural error.
Its the difference between using AI for data scraping and real data mining.
there are still plenty of things to investigate among all those treasury payments with no TRS codes, but tit will be less easy to trace where they went.

Mick
 
There must be a huge amount of bloatware in the U.S administration, we have enough of it in Australia and with only a population of 25 million, oh sorry 27 million.
With a population of 334 million, not including those who aren't registered, the inefficiencies must be huge, especially when you consider the amount of jobs for the boys, jobs for the mates, jobs for the family that must go on in such a huge society.
From the structures they show on the movies, a lot of positions seems to work on nepotism, that may be incorrect but it is certainly portrayed in U.S based T.V shows.
Then there also must be problems with each State and County not using standard systems, that are not compatible with each other, it must be a nightmare trying to coordinate data transfer of information.
 

Interesting post with photo. Hmm.
Crown looks good on him.

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