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Tony Abbott for PM

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I thought this thread was about Tony Abbott for PM.

The last 16 posts have been all about cigarette packing.

Will somebody please start a new thread on the "DO'S AND DONT'S" of smoking for young and old!!!!!!!!!!
 

Can't say I like Abbott that much but he has surpassed anything labor has at the moment. Like I said before get rid of Hockey and replace him with Turnbull ( another pollie I don't really like) and hopefully they can form some form of competent team. Barnaby is one of the few I do like.
 
moXJO said:
hopefully they can form some form of competent team. Barnaby is one of the few I do like.
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Yes, I like Barnaby. Good guy, honest, willing to rethink things and not up himself. He would have been a great politician in a previous age but under the 24 hr news cycle struggles a bit.
 
moXJO said:
Like I said before get rid of Hockey and replace him with Turnbull ( another pollie I don't really like)
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Turnbull on Late Line last night demonstrated again that he's not a team player.
He had only criticism of his own party's approach to climate policy. The government, naturally, are making great capital out of his remarks.
If he thinks he'll be leader of the Libs again he sure as hell is going the wrong way about it.
 

Yes it's a case of if you can't say anything to support your case, your better not commenting at all on it. He realy does have trouble holding the coalition line. He must realise he has a better chance of getting things his way if they are in office as against jumping from one side to the other.
It tends to show him having loyalty issues, some things are just better being sorted behind closed doors, as opposed to the public forum.
 

Turnbull (aka "TURNCOAT") should defect to the Labor Party at the next election. He tried unsuccessfully to join the Labor Party some time ago, but Labor rejected him. Probably thought he was valuable to the them in the Liberal Party as a stooge Mr. Magoo. He would no doubt make a good shadow Treasurer for the Labor Party after the next election.
 
noco said:
I thought this thread was about Tony Abbott for PM.

The last 16 posts have been all about cigarette packing.

Will somebody please start a new thread on the "DO'S AND DONT'S" of smoking for young and old!!!!!!!!!!
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Noco, it all started because IFocus wanted us to know that Abbott was very naughty to say that he's not sure that plain packaging won't have the desired effect in reducing smoking.

I hate smokes and can't stand the smell either, however, with a couple of kids who took it up in their rebellious teen years, I have to agree with Abbott that the packaging is unlikely to make any difference for the reasons I have stated in this thread.

I think it is also to make Abbott look bad as the Coalition receives some donations from the tobacco companies. It would obviously be better that didn't happen, but on the same token, why should union fees be used as donations to Labor? Not all union members will want to support labor financially especially now that many fear the safety of their jobs under Gillard's carbon tax.

Abbott may not be perfect, but when measured up against Gillard and Swan, he looks pretty good...

It seems that, once again, IFocus chooses to make a political mountain out of a molehill statement - and Abbott is just as entitled as the rest of us to have an opinion. I suspect it is an attempt to distract from labor's continuing debacles.


And from the article IFocus posted - this is what Abbott said:

the Opposition Leader said yesterday he was unconvinced the changes would help reduce smoking.
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Agree that Turnbull is not a team player for the Coalition. No wonder labor supporters keep calling for him to return to the leadership.

That would be akin to having Howard or Costello as leader of the labor party...
 
sails said:
Agree that Turnbull is not a team player for the Coalition. No wonder labor supporters keep calling for him to return to the leadership.

That would be akin to having Howard or Costello as leader of the labor party...
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This rigid team play concept is being well overdone to the dertiment of democracy in my view.

The press hang onto everyword in great detail and the slightest variation is spelt out as a tragic display of disunity. Its blah blah blah.

We often complain that policy is made without public input but when we do have exploratory or differeing views from, and among political players, we call fowl.

Its like Jooolia and her promises on not having a carbon tax, she had to change her mind when she found she was without the numbers and was forced to work with the greens. "Necessity the Mother ..' of invention"

At least Turnbull is putting up some of his ideas and even Abbott I concede was expressing just his own opinion on the smokes.

We get a bit hot under the collar here too if a view is dead against our own grain. Somehow we need to consider all posibilities by perhaps asking more instead of saying "rubbish to you -+%plod" or posting a :banghead.
 

Dream team for the Coalition from the current ranks would be Abbott leader Tunbull treasurer.

Abbott in current form is easily the best political mover but low on any sort of depth.

Turnbull actually has excellence intelligence.

But cannot happen for 100 reasons but a couple are Abbott wont let Turnbull get close as he is a real threat, Robb wont let it happen as he wants the job and before that they have to do some thing with Hockey who Abbott wants as he is no threat.
 
IFocus said:
Turnbull actually has excellence intelligence.
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He may be intelligent. That doesn't mean he has political intelligence.
He hasn't.

He is also too egocentric to ever be a good politician, unless perhaps he were to be an Independent. If he has chosen to belong to a political party, he needs to fall into line with the agreed policies of that party.
 

The only reason that he is not a Green is because that does not fit in with his ambition to become Prime Minister.
 

Hi Julia, what is your take of the term "political intelligence" ?
 
The reason Tony Abbott will never be The Prime Minister Is because of the electorates intelligence. Turnbulls thinking is longer than a parliamentary term; and if thats a problem that means you don't elected into government, it's a lot more than his problem.
 

The problem is Orr, oppostions don't win elections, governments loose them. Turnbull is undermining the inroads the coalition have made into labors credability. He needs to pull his head in or become an independent.
 
sptrawler said:
The problem is Orr, oppositions don't win elections, governments loose them. Turnbull is undermining the inroads the coalition have made into labors credability. He needs to pull his head in or become an independent.
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Turnbull is just pointing out what is an "incredibility"(their, the coalitions position on carbon abatement). It's just that a lot of people just haven't come to realise just yet. And credibility you don't have to go to far down the batting order on the opposition benches to start thinking worryingly about credibility.
 
The old term used to be 'Dog in the Manger'. The law needs to be laid down to the Member for Goldman Sachs, and fast. This presents a test of leadership for Tony Abbott.

Shut up or go. Why reward him with Shadow Treasury, it just supplies an opportunity to further undermine the Coalition, and it would be a kick to Joe Hockey who has been disciplined.

Nobody is irreplaceable, and this should be pointed out to Mr Turnbull. NSW posters remember that Mr Turnbull got to parliament by undermining the sitting member in Wentworth.
 
orr said:
The reason Tony Abbott will never be The Prime Minister...
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A bold call when you consider that a/ Julia is only PM via the indies b/ If there was an election today, Tones would be PM tomorrow

....Is because of the electorates intelligence.
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The fact that ~50% of the electorate votes for a Fabian Socialist financially dysfunctional dystopia shows that only half have any intelligence.

Turnbulls thinking is longer than a parliamentary term;
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Yes it is. Fabian gradualism is a long game.

and if thats a problem that means you don't elected into government, it's a lot more than his problem.
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True, but it is a testament to the electorate's aforementioned lack of intelligence that they fall for short term sweeteners.

You can't have it both ways orr. One minute they're too smart, the next they're too dumb to think long term.

orr said:
Turnbull is just pointing out what is an "incredibility"(their, the coalitions position on carbon abatement). It's just that a lot of people just haven't come to realise just yet.
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Smart people understand it perfectly.

And credibility you don't have to go to far down the batting order on the opposition benches to start thinking worryingly about credibility.
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With Julia at 30 odd percent, I would be more worried about Labor's credibility.
 
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