Tony Abbott for PM

[IFocus]

It has my attention. I am enjoying his self-sabotage of credibility.

BTW still waiting on a cogent definition of right wing nutter Ifocus.

My last comment re the sudden personalization of my opinions which is disappointing I would have though that it would be outside of Joe's 5 commandments.

But then again I shouldn't be surprised have seen others in similar position, as for credibility, on a polictal thread you have got to be joking....................

Say / ask what you like I wont answering I will continue to make my points as I see it

Enjoy being lord of the flies

 

[nulla nulla]

The present minority ALP government agreement with the Greens paves the way for a gradual diminution of the authority of Ms. Gillard.

The question now is, when will the shaky arrangement between a party infiltrated by old Cold War Socialists, such as the Greens, tire of the middle ground small s socialism and real politik of the ALP.

Tony will be PM within a year.

gg

Just noticed the time of the post. Bit late in the day for an "April Fools Day" Joke. Worth a laugh anyway though.

 

[nulla nulla]

I just googled rummaged "right wing nutter" and was a bit surprised at the result.

Yep, I did too. Couldn't find any reference to "Trainspotter, Sails, WayneL, Julia or Dr Smith" under "Right Wing Nutter".
Then I googled "Left Wing Nutter" and couldn't find any reference to "I Focus or nulla nulla" or any of the other posters on ASF.

I admit I didn't google "nutters" or "trolls" because I wasn't sure if I'd like what I found.

 

[Julia]

I just googled rummaged "right wing nutter" and was a bit surprised at the result.

Which is??

 

[trainspotter]

Which is??

The majority of entries were pointing to Liberal web sites but most of them in the USA and only 1 in the UK ??

simplyliberal.blogspot.com/.../day-in-life-right-wing-nutter.html

libcom.org/forums/.../about-right-wing-libertarian-nutters-22012011

No mention of Australian Right Wing Nutjobs at all ? OOOOOOOOOOPsssssssss whats this then ?

16 Oct 2010 ... RIGHT-WING “nutters” in the US are as dangerous as Islamic terrorists, former Prime Minister Bob Hawke said yesterday.

sheikyermami.com/2010/10/16/dangerous-nutters/

Nope ........ No mention of One Nation at all ? Or is it just a misconception?

 

[Calliope]

A recent poll showing that Malcolm Turnbull was preferred LNP leader to Tony Abbott shouldn't cause Abbott to lose any sleep. If you exclude the Labor and Green voters from the poll Abbott wins handsomely.

If you put it another way, the poll shows that Turnbull if the preferred leader of the LNP by their enemies.

 

[nulla nulla]

A recent poll showing that Malcolm Turnbull was preferred LNP leader to Tony Abbott shouldn't cause Abbott to lose any sleep. If you exclude the Labor and Green voters from the poll Abbott wins handsomely.

If you put it another way, the poll shows that Turnbull if the preferred leader of the LNP by their enemies.

Did the poll give a break down of the those who preferred malcolm as leader of the LNP or are we just assuming the supporters are labor supporters?

 

[wayneL]

Did the poll give a break down of the those who preferred malcolm as leader of the LNP or are we just assuming the supporters are labor supporters?

Well Malcolm Turncoat being red ribbon Labor in ideology... any gu'mint led by him would be a Clayton's Labor gu'mint.

It would be inconceivable that any economic liberal would prefer MT.

It might not be an opinion formed empirically nulla nulla, but I'm inclined to agree with Cal.

 

[nulla nulla]

Well Malcolm Turncoat being red ribbon Labor in ideology... any gu'mint led by him would be a Clayton's Labor gu'mint.

It would be inconceivable that any economic liberal would prefer MT.

It might not be an opinion formed empirically nulla nulla, but I'm inclined to agree with Cal.

Thanks Wayne, however my question is genuine and not an exercise in trolling.

From memory Mr Turnball lost the leadership of the LNP by one (1) vote. Since then Tony Abbott lost the election.

While this normally generates a spill of the liberal party leadership, Tony Abbott has managed to retain leadership.

Some tacticians might consider this a realistic approach on the part of any liberal mp's considering challenging for the leadership.

The potential challengers probably realise that in next 4 years Tony Abbott is going to have trouble not saying the wrong thing and that the appropriate time for a leadership challange will be 18 - 24 months before the next election is due.

Given that a poll has taken place and that Mr Turnball has shown up as a preferred leader of the LNP, it is realistically possible that his supporters in the poll are in fact LNP members, possibly bolstered by disenfranchised labor voters.

Hence my question as to whether or not the pollsters ascertained where Mr Turnball's supporters allegiance lay. Reasonable question I thought.

 

[sails]

Did the poll give a break down of the those who preferred malcolm as leader of the LNP or are we just assuming the supporters are labor supporters?

Nulla, break down from the Age and written by Grattan...: Labor slips, would fall in landslide

Interesting to note that only two leaders are compared for labor, but three for the coalition which naturally dilutes coalition's percentages. It would have been better if this poll removed Hockey as it would make for a fairer comparison of percentages with two leaders each.

So no point in saying that Abbott only gets 41% from LNP and Gillard 49% from labor because we don't know how much of Hockey's votes would have also gone to Abbott.

However, it is very clear that the votes for Turnbull have come predominatly from the Greens and then Labor. He's not in favour with LNP voters.

And the greens clearly don't want Abbott, so the greens are skewing the results considerably - not that the media bothered to explain - they just make it look like Turnbull is preferred leader rather than WHO prefers Turnbull - big difference.

And below is an image from that article:

 

[sptrawler]

Nulla, break down from the Age and written by Grattan...: Labor slips, would fall in landslide

Interesting to note that only two leaders are compared for labor, but three for the coalition which naturally dilutes coalition's percentages. It would have been better if this poll removed Hockey as it would make for a fairer comparison of percentages with two leaders each.

So no point in saying that Abbott only gets 41% from LNP and Gillard 49% from labor because we don't know how much of Hockey's votes would have also gone to Abbott.

However, it is very clear that the votes for Turnbull have come predominatly from the Greens and then Labor. He's not in favour with LNP voters.

And the greens clearly don't want Abbott, so the greens are skewing the results considerably - not that the media bothered to explain - they just make it look like Turnbull is preferred leader rather than WHO prefers Turnbull - big difference.

And below is an image from that article:

Good summation sails,
Oh for a Costello without the petulance, but with his intelect and wit. Also had the smarts to run the country, a shame he didn't do a Barnett or Howard and swallow his pride and make another run for the top job.
But maybe he was given a heads and realised it is a hiding to nothing.
However if we ever needed someone like him, it is now. The brewing problems are far beyond the intellect of the current government.
Just playing follow the leader with the U.S is like investing in Morris, Austin, M.G.B, B.S.A etc in the 60's.
From what I have seen this government lacks the grey matter to think outside the square. Like I mentioned in earlier posts it seems they have to get a call from Ben B to know what the next step should be.

 

[IFocus]

The thought an ex merchant banker worth 100 plus mill is a labor person defies the imagination IMHO.

Malcolm is far smarter than the rest of the front bench put together but he just isn't as politically savvy I think the Liberals will stick with Abbott and that's Labors best hope but Labor winning the next election even with Abbott still in opposition isn't a bet I would take.

If Barnaby moves house and becomes deputy leader I will be surely tempted to vote coalition............think of the tiles of the threads I could start.......hysterical.

Abbott and Barnaby has a ring don't you think.

 

[wayneL]

The thought an ex merchant banker worth 100 plus mill is a labor person defies the imagination IMHO.

Laurie Connell (an ex merchant banker) and Alan Bond were both active supporters of Labor in the WA Inc days.

Any other questions?

 

[trainspotter]

If Barnaby moves house and becomes deputy leader I will be surely tempted to vote coalition............think of the tiles of the threads I could start.......hysterical.

Abbott and Barnaby has a ring don't you think.

Start waxing lyrical now IFocus. It's all good.

LOL at Abbott and Barnaby. Joyce could be the hunchback as his face does ring a bell.

 

[Julia]

Did the poll give a break down of the those who preferred malcolm as leader of the LNP or are we just assuming the supporters are labor supporters?

Since very adequately answered by Sails.
I've also read more than one op ed piece pointing out the choice of Mr Turnbull came from Labor/Greens. That's so pointless, considering they are never going to be voting for any Coalition member, I'm not sure why it's included.

From memory Mr Turnball lost the leadership of the LNP by one (1) vote. Since then Tony Abbott lost the election.

Um, Nulla, he actually won the primary vote. The National-hating independents decided the outcome of the election. You know this very well.

The potential challengers probably realise that in next 4 years Tony Abbott is going to have trouble not saying the wrong thing and that the appropriate time for a leadership challange will be 18 - 24 months before the next election is due.

A while ago I'd have agreed with this, but I think Mr Abbott has learned a bit about tactics and about when to pull his head in, and he's doing a pretty good job as opposition leader. He is every day reminding the public of what a woeful job the government are doing, and he's doing it without being strident or personally insulting.

Given that a poll has taken place and that Mr Turnball has shown up as a preferred leader of the LNP, it is realistically possible that his supporters in the poll are in fact LNP members

as above, no.

 

[sails]

Nulla, break down from the Age and written by Grattan...: Labor slips, would fall in landslide

Interesting to note that only two leaders are compared for labor, but three for the coalition which naturally dilutes coalition's percentages. It would have been better if this poll removed Hockey as it would make for a fairer comparison of percentages with two leaders each.

So no point in saying that Abbott only gets 41% from LNP and Gillard 49% from labor because we don't know how much of Hockey's votes would have also gone to Abbott.

However, it is very clear that the votes for Turnbull have come predominatly from the Greens and then Labor. He's not in favour with LNP voters.

And the greens clearly don't want Abbott, so the greens are skewing the results considerably - not that the media bothered to explain - they just make it look like Turnbull is preferred leader rather than WHO prefers Turnbull - big difference.

And below is an image from that article:

Found this newspoll from the Australian that polls three labor MPs as leaders and so will give a better comparison to the coalition giving them three leaders each in these leadership poll. Newspoll only give the totals and not the breakdown by party: Just one in 10 want Wayne Swan to lead: Newspoll

This is rather funny in the light of Ms Gillard trying to make fun of Barnaby Joyce should he become deputy and would be left to run the country, and yet Swan is clearly not a popular with less than half the votes of Hockey. I think Ms Gillard should sort out her own deputy problems before trying to ridicule the oppositions...

 

[nulla nulla]

Thank you sails, question answered.

 

[Logique]

Abbott delivered a very creditable election result from what seemed a dire position for the LNP. He has since gone on to deliver the best Neilsen poll margin since 2005, and Labor's worst position in 15 years. These are the numbers that count.

He is campaigning on the shop floor, where working folks are, and very effectively. Contrast that with Labor's approach of ringing up the union officials, 'what are we saying to the members today' (sub text: it better be what we want).

Labor/Greens desperately want him out, and are behind the continual push for the Member for Goldman Sachs, or if you like Member for Wentworth, which would go back to Labor/Greens if he stood down. It's another Labor con job. I don't want a LNP leader that is under such pressure in his own electorate.

 

[Calliope]

As I said earlier nulla nulla;

If you put it another way, the poll shows that Turnbull if the preferred leader of the LNP by their enemies.

However you may take comfort from the information that your beloved Julia is running neck and neck with Rudd with Labor voters There again it is Labor's enemies (the LNP voters) who tip the scales in favour of Rudd.

 

[moXJO]

Abbott delivered a very creditable election result from what seemed a dire position for the LNP. He has since gone on to deliver the best Neilsen poll margin since 2005, and Labor's worst position in 15 years. These are the numbers that count.

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To add Abbott has also converted the mining and steel workers against a carbon tax despite where union heads were trying to lead them. He was on the ground at these facilities doing the hard yards. I think it speaks volumes when some hardcore rusted on labor supporters back liberal

It's pretty obvious I'm not a labor supporter, but some of the things they were doing I did support.
Now I'm against almost everything that they seem to put together on the fly. I did have a massive rant I wanted to get off my chest, but just can't be bothered. Everyone already knows how crap this government is performing in every sector it touches. At no point have I ever worried this much about the direction government is leading us.