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Timmy said:
Gotta love the Kool Aid :D
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Nurse Ratched: You know Billy, what worries me is how your mother is going to take this.
Billy: Um, um, well, y-y-y-you d-d-d-don't have to t-t-t-tell her, Miss Ratched.
Nurse Ratched: I don't have to tell her? Your mother and I are old friends. You know that.
Billy: P-p-p-please d-d-don't tell my m-m-m-mother.
 
IFocus said:
As Health Minister try health reform, nil. In fact try stripping out funding from health plenty .........in fact try.......heck the list is to long but you wont find running the economy and Abbotts name in the same sentence

Costello made this very clear and we know its fact for as long as Hockey is shadow treasurer instead of Robb it shows Abbott is incapable of understanding and leadership.
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Thanks Ifocus .. I really do value your input. Your posts are well thought out and logical in their demeanour. Unlike my stooopid retorts. BUT .. I will try.

The problem for Labor is it is refuted, not only by Mr Abbott but by the budget papers themselves.

A cut occurs when you get less than you were getting before; an increase occurs when you receive more than you were previously getting.

Hospitals actually received an increase not a decrease. Between 2003/2004 and 2007/2008 there was an increase of 17%. That is an increase of $2.23 billion during Tony Abbott’s watch as Health Minister with the budgeted payment for 2007/2008 being $9.76 billion up from $7.49 billion.

But facts will no doubt not deter a repetition of the lie by Labor. That’s the old socialist way. The real question is will it continue to be reported as other than a lie.

OOOOOOOOOOOPSIES ....... care to try another broken record ??

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/labor-is-lying-about-abbotts-record-on-health/
 
trainspotter said:
HEYYYYYYYYY NUN ........... 10 Bradford Street tomorrow night to watch the Dockers get their sphincters ripped by Geelong. Bourbon on me??
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oh bugga.

got a new toy m8, goin for a ride out bush on it to get feral and talk sheet with some other toothless wonders... wont be back till sat arvo..leaving fri lunchish.

plenny spiked kool aid tho :D


thx for the invite.......
 
trainspotter said:
A cut occurs when you get less than you were getting before; an increase occurs when you receive more than you were previously getting.

Hospitals actually received an increase not a decrease. Between 2003/2004 and 2007/2008 there was an increase of 17%. That is an increase of $2.23 billion during Tony Abbott’s watch as Health Minister with the budgeted payment for 2007/2008 being $9.76 billion up from $7.49 billion.
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Maybe a cut occurred through the percentage of what was needed was reduced and that is effectively a cut.

As someone that spent a lot of time in hospital during the Howard years I can vouch for the fact that the system degenerated during that time. I can definitely say that the system was put under pressure and even though the states were partly responsible, the feds did nothing to help ( apart from grandstanding in one Tasmanian hospital pork barrel.
 
nunthewiser said:
oh bugga.

got a new toy m8, goin for a ride out bush on it to get feral and talk sheet with some other toothless wonders... wont be back till sat arvo..leaving fri lunchish.

plenny spiked kool aid tho :D
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GOSH DARNNITT !! Got the 50 inch plasma hooked to the DVD just nice in the shed ! Even swept the floor in anticipation of your arrival.


Mebbe sunday around 2ish for sheeting of the talk?
 
nioka said:
Maybe a cut occurred through the percentage of what was needed was reduced and that is effectively a cut.

As someone that spent a lot of time in hospital during the Howard years I can vouch for the fact that the system degenerated during that time. I can definitely say that the system was put under pressure and even though the states were partly responsible, the feds did nothing to help ( apart from grandstanding in one Tasmanian hospital pork barrel.
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Nope nioka ... do not squirm here. We are talking FACTS. The FEDS under Abbott gave more money to the states for hospitals. PERIOD.

BLAME the state hospital boards for this ........ NOT ABBOTT !

Once again ...... I value your opinion as a free thinker ... start reciprocating please.
 
Timmy said:
Please, Snake ...
Credit where it is due, AFAIK it is only me calling for Abbott to get the chop, not 'people'.

Also, I have heard the saying recently, in relation to the equity market in the US that 'sideways is the new up'. I really like that and have jotted it down in my diary. Do you mind if I add 'losing is the new victory' to it? Apparently this is an expression of the 'new normal', though George Orwell came up with doublespeak way back when.
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Timmy,
I wrote this before you responded to my other post in the other thread. Not having a go at anyone just thinking aloud. 'People' meant humans not anyone in particular, as I am sure there are some others with your thoughts here or not here. :)

What does AFAIK mean? First time I've seen that. :)
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Timmy,
I wrote this before you responded to my other post in the other thread. Not having a go at anyone just thinking aloud. 'People' meant humans not anyone in particular, as I am sure there are some others with your thoughts here or not here. :)

What does AFAIK mean? First time I've seen that. :)
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Depends on who you ask!

AFAIK - As Far As I Know

If you asked a One Nation voter then it's - Another F**king Arab/African/Armenian/Argentine Immigrant K*nt

:D
 
trainspotter said:
Thanks Ifocus .. I really do value your input. Your posts are well thought out and logical in their demeanour. Unlike my stooopid retorts. BUT .. I will try.

The problem for Labor is it is refuted, not only by Mr Abbott but by the budget papers themselves.

A cut occurs when you get less than you were getting before; an increase occurs when you receive more than you were previously getting.

Hospitals actually received an increase not a decrease. Between 2003/2004 and 2007/2008 there was an increase of 17%. That is an increase of $2.23 billion during Tony Abbott’s watch as Health Minister with the budgeted payment for 2007/2008 being $9.76 billion up from $7.49 billion.

But facts will no doubt not deter a repetition of the lie by Labor. That’s the old socialist way. The real question is will it continue to be reported as other than a lie.

OOOOOOOOOOOPSIES ....... care to try another broken record ??
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Started to read Bronwyn Bishop's article until she quoted Piers Akerman......I do listen to Piers on the insiders out of respect for his long serving in the Australian media unlike Bronwyn who I hold in utter contempt. The two in the same sentence I find is a recipe for projectile vomit.

I say this as no reflection on yore good self


Article below looks at the argie bargie re Abbott as Health Minister positives and negatives


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/co...he-truth-on-health-funding-20100316-qaq1.html


Much prefer this totally bias view

http://abbottfacts.com.au/facts/out-touch-health-and-hospitals
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nioka said:
What right did Abbott have to expect support from the "Independents". Firstly they were independents because they couldnt get along with The Lib/Nats
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That's exactly right, and exactly why they would never have been prepared to align themselves with the Coalition.

IFocus said:
Costello made this very clear and we know its fact for as long as Hockey is shadow treasurer instead of Robb it shows Abbott is incapable of understanding and leadership.
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I'm not sure that's quite fair, IFocus. Mr Abbott has unified the Coalition in a way that has surprised everyone, and in a way Mr Turnbull was unable to achieve.

I do agree, though, about Mr Hockey, and perhaps this is what you're meaning when you talk about Mr Abbott's leadership, i.e. that Mr Hockey should be replaced as Treasurer?

I'd like to see Malcolm Turnbull as Treasurer. I can't understand why so many commentators say Andrew Robb had 'a good campaign'. Whenever I saw/heard him he seemed unsure of himself, stumbling and quite inarticulate. Silly of him to try to get the numbers for a challenge to Julie Bishop too. Unity is everything for the Libs at this stage.

Do you think Wayne Swan deserves to remain Treasurer?
And given Bill Shorten's role in the axing of Kevin Rudd, do you think he should have a Cabinet role? If so, how will this go down with the Rudd supporters?
 
IFocus said:
Started to read Bronwyn Bishop's article until she quoted Piers Akerman......I do listen to Piers on the insiders out of respect for his long serving in the Australian media unlike Bronwyn who I hold in utter contempt. The two in the same sentence I find is a recipe for projectile vomit.

I say this as no reflection on yore good self

Article below looks at the argie bargie re Abbott as Health Minister positives and negatives

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/co...he-truth-on-health-funding-20100316-qaq1.html


Much prefer this totally bias view

http://abbottfacts.com.au/facts/out-touch-health-and-hospitals
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I agree with the Bronwyn Bishop reflection. I had a Grandmother similar who smelled of Gin. I got nothing whe she died BTW.

Sorry to disagree old c@ck but it actually HAPPENED THUSLY :-

Yesterday Abbott retaliated by tabling advice from the Parliamentary Library that total Federal Government health spending had increased by $20 billion over the term of the Howard Government.

Over the five years from 2002-03 to 2007-08 the Howard Government increased grants to the states for public hospitals by 37 per cent or an average of 7.4 per cent a year in nominal terms.

oh gosh !! ...... http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/contr...he-truth-on-health-funding-20100316-qaq1.html
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