It's too easy to demonise the poor and unemployed for not sorting themselves out. For some that's probably true, but for a large majority they're where they are through circumstance. I remember some of the comments my family used to get with my dad on the dole. The judgement is quite hurtful. My dad wasn't lazy. he did whatever odd jobs he could find. the problem is much harder these days I think, because a lot of the lower end jobs are no longer here, they've been off shored.
Abbott and Rudd are both reasonably religious people, but neither of them seems to have much Christian charity in them. Jesus used to spend his time with the poor, the unclean, the outcasts of society. Seems there's no money or votes in that
Agree, and thanks for your tables on the separate thread, syd.That's where I think it's important to have people understand where they are on the income ladder.
+1.If a political leader (rare as hens teeth me thinks) could say we are going to abolish $25B in current welfare (I'd say not too difficult), with an increase in welfare to the poorest 30%, while the rest will receive tax cuts, I'd seriously look at how they will be achieving this and probably give them my vote.
When the politicians say they feel the pain of pensioners finding it so difficult to make ends meet, but then turn their backs on the unemployed who had to make do with so much less, I say boils on their flabby butts so they have to get back out into the real world.
It's too easy to demonise the poor and unemployed for not sorting themselves out. For some that's probably true, but for a large majority they're where they are through circumstance. I remember some of the comments my family used to get with my dad on the dole. The judgement is quite hurtful. My dad wasn't lazy. he did whatever odd jobs he could find. the problem is much harder these days I think, because a lot of the lower end jobs are no longer here, they've been off shored.
Abbott and Rudd are both reasonably religious people, but neither of them seems to have much Christian charity in them. Jesus used to spend his time with the poor, the unclean, the outcasts of society. Seems there's no money or votes in that
This seems a bit tough and out of character from you, moXJO. I get what you're saying about your father and I heard similar from mine.If they find work then make it tax free up to a limit.
I grew up in a dirt poor area and the majority of those bums are on the dole because they think it's their right and never seriously looked for work. There was always an excuse of why they couldn't work. Throwing money at them does nothing, making sure their kids education/health is above standard might.
My old man had nothing but a hammer and a nail bag and would catch the train to Sydney and look for worksites among other things. He never once went on the dole and taught me to do the same no matter how bad it got. I'm glad as it kept me hungry enough to make a good living.
One further point: some of us have resilience in spades. Toss us into the most difficult situation and we'll find a way through. But, whether because of genes or life experience, not everyone has this capacity.
I don't think we should be mollycoddling anyone, but we need to recognise that some have fewer abilities than others to cope with adversity.
This seems a bit tough and out of character from you, moXJO. I get what you're saying about your father and I heard similar from mine.
But I don't think we should be classifying everyone who has been made redundant, or been forced out of work because of illness etc, as bums.
For so many apparently respectable citizens, they're only a payday or three away from defaulting on a mortgage or being unable to pay rent, thus on the street.
I can't imagine the difficulty of trying to re-secure employment when you're homeless, not even eligible for concessional public transport, and trying to live on just $35 per day. That wouldn't even pay the rent on the most basic flat in most areas, let alone provide for other absolute necessities.
One further point: some of us have resilience in spades. Toss us into the most difficult situation and we'll find a way through. But, whether because of genes or life experience, not everyone has this capacity.
I don't think we should be mollycoddling anyone, but we need to recognise that some have fewer abilities than others to cope with adversity.
This seems a bit tough and out of character from you, moXJO
On Kevin Rudd's latest gigantic thought bubble, I'm not sure this will do much for his public perception.
What we are witnessing is the culmination of a structured long term campaign for office.Abbott was very impressive on Insiders this morning.
What we are witnessing is the culmination of a structured long term campaign for office.
If they govern as well as they have managed their lead up to this election, they'll be one of Australia's better governments.
The other thing I noticed from today's episode of Insiders is that Barrie Cassidy has finally walked away from the bedside of this dying government and its resurrected messiah. The panelists themselves almost seemed to be in shock as to how badly the Labor campaign has gone.
What we are witnessing is the culmination of a structured long term campaign for office.
If they govern as well as they have managed their lead up to this election, they'll be one of Australia's better governments.
The other thing I noticed from today's episode of Insiders is that Barrie Cassidy has finally walked away from the bedside of this dying government and its resurrected messiah. The panelists themselves almost seemed to be in shock as to how badly the Labor campaign has gone.
According to ABC's Vote Compass, Tony Abbott is improving on perception of trust and competence while Kevin Rudd and Christine Milne are going backwards.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/vote-compass-kevin-rudd-tony-abbott-christine-milne/4929412
Thanks for that, drsmith.According to ABC's Vote Compass, Tony Abbott is improving on perception of trust and competence while Kevin Rudd and Christine Milne are going backwards.
WARNING AU WILL GO DOWN THE DRAIN "$75,000 to have a kid?"
I wonder if Abbott's budget has the funds for a unexpected boost in rich people having kids and poor people.
Mass poor people will think about the money and have kids.
^To someone getting min wages they could make $75k in 6 months WOW. Its to good to resist.
Dose Abbott have the funds if a extra 20% / 40% of people have kids to the % now, because of this.
What has Abbott done for daycares? & schools? "cut funding", seen as its already struggling with the standard % and there will 100% be a baby boom.
He is going to make massive problems that will need acting with no money to act. Cost will blow out beyond belief.
^If kids don't go to daycare, the mum's cant? WORK. Doll payments
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