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Tony Abbott for PM

It's too easy to demonise the poor and unemployed for not sorting themselves out. For some that's probably true, but for a large majority they're where they are through circumstance. I remember some of the comments my family used to get with my dad on the dole. The judgement is quite hurtful. My dad wasn't lazy. he did whatever odd jobs he could find. the problem is much harder these days I think, because a lot of the lower end jobs are no longer here, they've been off shored.

Abbott and Rudd are both reasonably religious people, but neither of them seems to have much Christian charity in them. Jesus used to spend his time with the poor, the unclean, the outcasts of society. Seems there's no money or votes in that :(

If they find work then make it tax free up to a limit.
I grew up in a dirt poor area and the majority of those bums are on the dole because they think it's their right and never seriously looked for work. There was always an excuse of why they couldn't work. Throwing money at them does nothing, making sure their kids education/health is above standard might.

My old man had nothing but a hammer and a nail bag and would catch the train to Sydney and look for worksites among other things. He never once went on the dole and taught me to do the same no matter how bad it got. I'm glad as it kept me hungry enough to make a good living.
 
That's where I think it's important to have people understand where they are on the income ladder.
Agree, and thanks for your tables on the separate thread, syd.

If a political leader (rare as hens teeth me thinks) could say we are going to abolish $25B in current welfare (I'd say not too difficult), with an increase in welfare to the poorest 30%, while the rest will receive tax cuts, I'd seriously look at how they will be achieving this and probably give them my vote.

When the politicians say they feel the pain of pensioners finding it so difficult to make ends meet, but then turn their backs on the unemployed who had to make do with so much less, I say boils on their flabby butts so they have to get back out into the real world.

It's too easy to demonise the poor and unemployed for not sorting themselves out. For some that's probably true, but for a large majority they're where they are through circumstance. I remember some of the comments my family used to get with my dad on the dole. The judgement is quite hurtful. My dad wasn't lazy. he did whatever odd jobs he could find. the problem is much harder these days I think, because a lot of the lower end jobs are no longer here, they've been off shored.

Abbott and Rudd are both reasonably religious people, but neither of them seems to have much Christian charity in them. Jesus used to spend his time with the poor, the unclean, the outcasts of society. Seems there's no money or votes in that :(
+1.

If they find work then make it tax free up to a limit.
I grew up in a dirt poor area and the majority of those bums are on the dole because they think it's their right and never seriously looked for work. There was always an excuse of why they couldn't work. Throwing money at them does nothing, making sure their kids education/health is above standard might.

My old man had nothing but a hammer and a nail bag and would catch the train to Sydney and look for worksites among other things. He never once went on the dole and taught me to do the same no matter how bad it got. I'm glad as it kept me hungry enough to make a good living.
This seems a bit tough and out of character from you, moXJO. I get what you're saying about your father and I heard similar from mine.
But I don't think we should be classifying everyone who has been made redundant, or been forced out of work because of illness etc, as bums.

For so many apparently respectable citizens, they're only a payday or three away from defaulting on a mortgage or being unable to pay rent, thus on the street.
I can't imagine the difficulty of trying to re-secure employment when you're homeless, not even eligible for concessional public transport, and trying to live on just $35 per day. That wouldn't even pay the rent on the most basic flat in most areas, let alone provide for other absolute necessities.

One further point: some of us have resilience in spades. Toss us into the most difficult situation and we'll find a way through. But, whether because of genes or life experience, not everyone has this capacity.
I don't think we should be mollycoddling anyone, but we need to recognise that some have fewer abilities than others to cope with adversity.
 
One further point: some of us have resilience in spades. Toss us into the most difficult situation and we'll find a way through. But, whether because of genes or life experience, not everyone has this capacity.
I don't think we should be mollycoddling anyone, but we need to recognise that some have fewer abilities than others to cope with adversity.

I agree some of the people in that story weren't wiz kids and they need help and encouragement, I was shocked to see a kid about the same age as my son in the queue for food.........no one to show him the way, no one to help, no one to lean on.
 
This seems a bit tough and out of character from you, moXJO. I get what you're saying about your father and I heard similar from mine.
But I don't think we should be classifying everyone who has been made redundant, or been forced out of work because of illness etc, as bums.

For so many apparently respectable citizens, they're only a payday or three away from defaulting on a mortgage or being unable to pay rent, thus on the street.
I can't imagine the difficulty of trying to re-secure employment when you're homeless, not even eligible for concessional public transport, and trying to live on just $35 per day. That wouldn't even pay the rent on the most basic flat in most areas, let alone provide for other absolute necessities.

One further point: some of us have resilience in spades. Toss us into the most difficult situation and we'll find a way through. But, whether because of genes or life experience, not everyone has this capacity.
I don't think we should be mollycoddling anyone, but we need to recognise that some have fewer abilities than others to cope with adversity.

Sick, pensioners and those that have fallen on hard times are a different case and not who I was referring to.

Able bodied people should be given incentive to work, not be given extra money to make excuses of waiting for their preferred job. I just don't think more money in their pockets is the answer. Unfortunately there will always be those who fall through the cracks and stay there no matter what you do. Catching their kids before they become basket cases would be a better idea.

This seems a bit tough and out of character from you, moXJO

Being the evil conservative that I am I tend to pick on those less fortunately and weaker than myself.



My misses is in community services so I might just be ranting after all the hard done by sob stories I hear.

Get off the dole you bums.

( I did post in more detail but cut to the chase in both posts)
 
I just read on the ticker: "AWE Limited 130.75"

For a moment, I took it as a prediction that Tony A will bring back Work Choices (under a new name, of course) and limit Average Weekly Earnings to $130.75.

Ahh the good old days - in the 1960's :cry:
 
On Kevin Rudd's latest gigantic thought bubble, I'm not sure this will do much for his public perception.

 
Shock!!! Horror!!! Tony Abbott used the words "body contact" in front of a group of girls.:eek:

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Tony Abbott tells a group of high school netballers 'a bit of body contact never hurts' as they pose for a photo at the Sydney Sports Centre at Homebush today. Picture: Gary Ramage Source: News Limited
 
Abbott was very impressive on Insiders this morning.
What we are witnessing is the culmination of a structured long term campaign for office.

If they govern as well as they have managed their lead up to this election, they'll be one of Australia's better governments.

The other thing I noticed from today's episode of Insiders is that Barrie Cassidy has finally walked away from the bedside of this dying government and its resurrected messiah. The panelists themselves almost seemed to be in shock as to how badly the Labor campaign has gone.
 
What we are witnessing is the culmination of a structured long term campaign for office.

If they govern as well as they have managed their lead up to this election, they'll be one of Australia's better governments.

The other thing I noticed from today's episode of Insiders is that Barrie Cassidy has finally walked away from the bedside of this dying government and its resurrected messiah. The panelists themselves almost seemed to be in shock as to how badly the Labor campaign has gone.

It won't take Abbott much effort to be 99% better than the previous two. At least one can expect far more honesty in what Abbott says and does.
 
What we are witnessing is the culmination of a structured long term campaign for office.

If they govern as well as they have managed their lead up to this election, they'll be one of Australia's better governments.

The other thing I noticed from today's episode of Insiders is that Barrie Cassidy has finally walked away from the bedside of this dying government and its resurrected messiah. The panelists themselves almost seemed to be in shock as to how badly the Labor campaign has gone.

Yes Cassidy was noticeably neutral.
 
I believe Abbott is right when he says the Syrian conflict is between two baddies and it is my understanding that it is two Muslims groups fighting for supremacy.

I say let them fight amongst themselves and let the world know that Islam is more political than religious and that their religious beliefs mean absolutley nothing.

The UK was right in their decsion to stay out of this conflict and the USA should follow suit instead of sticking their nose in where it does not concern them. Australia does not have to follow the US.

For Rudd to say Abbott should not be Prime Minister because of his statement shows just how deserate Rudd has become.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ddies-vs-baddies/story-fnho52jo-1226708473985
 
According to ABC's Vote Compass, Tony Abbott is improving on perception of trust and competence while Kevin Rudd and Christine Milne are going backwards.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-03/vote-compass-kevin-rudd-tony-abbott-christine-milne/4929412


Kevin Rudd wanted this to be all about trust as per his first speech of the election campaign. And then he goes and constantly lies about his $70 billion even though politifact have stated it untrue and he's been pulled up on it as well. He also keeps going on about the lie of $1 billion being cut from hospitals when politifact states that Abbott was not in charge of health when that was done (or something to that effect). And then there was the $10 billion lie which treasury and the PBO corrected.

So, trust is what Rudd wanted and he blowing it all by himself, imo.
 
According to ABC's Vote Compass, Tony Abbott is improving on perception of trust and competence while Kevin Rudd and Christine Milne are going backwards.
Thanks for that, drsmith.
I'm somewhat surprised at the results, given you'd imagine most of the respondents would be ABC watchers/listeners.

The following was one of the comments on the article:
WARNING AU WILL GO DOWN THE DRAIN "$75,000 to have a kid?"

I wonder if Abbott's budget has the funds for a unexpected boost in rich people having kids and poor people.

Mass poor people will think about the money and have kids.

^To someone getting min wages they could make $75k in 6 months WOW. Its to good to resist.

Dose Abbott have the funds if a extra 20% / 40% of people have kids to the % now, because of this.

What has Abbott done for daycares? & schools? "cut funding", seen as its already struggling with the standard % and there will 100% be a baby boom.

He is going to make massive problems that will need acting with no money to act. Cost will blow out beyond belief.

^If kids don't go to daycare, the mum's cant? WORK. Doll payments

The spelling and grammar indicate possibly someone fairly unsophisticated, but even allowing for that, the sentence bolded near the top shows how at least one person is entirely misunderstanding how the policy will work.
 
I would suggest we bring this thread to an end.

I have worked tirelessly to ensure that the greatest elected Member since Menzies was elected as PM.

He will perform, be an infrastructure PM, and lead our nation to further greatness.

It was my humble pleasure to begin this thread and I would suggest we move forward, as Tony Abbott will.

Let us end this thread.

I believe another thread has been started on the Abbott Government.

gg
 
It would appear that the judgement of Tony Abbott is being brought in to question.

re the Wink.

I see it as harmless.

The 4th Mrs Gumnut with much vehemence sees it otherwise, and self preservation being my primary politic, I raise it here.

I feel TA is a fit person to be PM.

What do others think.

gg
 
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