Tony Abbott for PM

[noco]

What's TA offering as a counter to Rudd's lack of substance? i don't think a lack of platform or policy wins over perceived lack of substance...first the Noalition has to stand for something, i don't think winding back the clock is actually "something"

What is Rudd offereing apart from trying to sort out the internal Labor problems? That is all we seem to be hearing about ATM.

No election date.

No solution to the ever increasing boat arrivals.

Whether he going to scarp the Carbon TAX for a floating ETS.

How is he going tp pay back the $300 billion he has borrowed?

What savings is he going to make or will he keep throwing money around like a drunken sailor until election day?

How is he going to assist low paid workers who are struggling under increased living cost created by Labor over the last 6 years?

How is going to build confidence in the business world?

All we seem to hear is what a good fellow Kevin Rudd is and what he is 'gonna' do with reforming the Labor Party.

He is all smoke and mirrors like Mandrake the magician. Very trickey and very clever with all his spin and usual rhetoric.

Now please don't come and ask what Abbott will do, for what ever ideas Abbott will promote Labor will say me too. Just recently Labor has stolen Abbotts idea with the illegal boaties to process those with IDs first and are now wanting to take credit it for it.

Labor is in Government and Labor should be the ones coming up with solutions to fix their own mess. Abbott has every right to wait untill the election is called before releasing any more policies.

 

[MrBurns]

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Amen

 

[nioka]

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

There are plenty of posts on here that dont rate any better. How do you define "average"?. Five minutes on ASF can have the same result.

 

[sydboy007]

Abbott walks the walk his problem is he doesnt talk the talk.

How so? He basically stole over $10000 from you and me, the Australian taxpayer, only paying it back after being caught. It's not like he discovered a mistake and sorted it out.

I don't understand why people on this forum seem to attack the smallest issue for the ALP, yet they gloss over something so glaringly wrong. If Tony can't distinguish between work and non work travel claims, then why should he expect to be PM?

The real question is, did he put the claims in well knowing he was ripping us off, or was he just so inept he got things mixed up? Either way he's definitely showing he's not the brightest lamp in the tanning bed.

 

[Julia]

What is Rudd offereing apart from trying to sort out the internal Labor problems? That is all we seem to be hearing about ATM.

No election date.

No solution to the ever increasing boat arrivals.

Whether he going to scarp the Carbon TAX for a floating ETS.

How is he going tp pay back the $300 billion he has borrowed?

What savings is he going to make or will he keep throwing money around like a drunken sailor until election day?

How is he going to assist low paid workers who are struggling under increased living cost created by Labor over the last 6 years?

How is going to build confidence in the business world?

All we seem to hear is what a good fellow Kevin Rudd is and what he is 'gonna' do with reforming the Labor Party.

He is all smoke and mirrors like Mandrake the magician. Very trickey and very clever with all his spin and usual rhetoric.

Now please don't come and ask what Abbott will do, for what ever ideas Abbott will promote Labor will say me too. Just recently Labor has stolen Abbotts idea with the illegal boaties to process those with IDs first and are now wanting to take credit it for it.

Labor is in Government and Labor should be the ones coming up with solutions to fix their own mess. Abbott has every right to wait untill the election is called before releasing any more policies.

Very reasonable questions.

 

[moXJO]

How so? He basically stole over $10000 from you and me, the Australian taxpayer, only paying it back after being caught. It's not like he discovered a mistake and sorted it out.

I don't understand why people on this forum seem to attack the smallest issue for the ALP, yet they gloss over something so glaringly wrong. If Tony can't distinguish between work and non work travel claims, then why should he expect to be PM?

The real question is, did he put the claims in well knowing he was ripping us off, or was he just so inept he got things mixed up? Either way he's definitely showing he's not the brightest lamp in the tanning bed.

Got a link

 

[So_Cynical]

Actually, I'd call it restoring prudence and sanity.

Ok fine, but is that enough to get him elected...is there an election winning precedent in Aust politics for an election platform that consists of restoring prudence and sanity by stopping the clock and rolling back.?

 

[sails]

How so? He basically stole over $10000 from you and me, the Australian taxpayer, only paying it back after being caught. It's not like he discovered a mistake and sorted it out.

I don't understand why people on this forum seem to attack the smallest issue for the ALP, yet they gloss over something so glaringly wrong. If Tony can't distinguish between work and non work travel claims, then why should he expect to be PM?

The real question is, did he put the claims in well knowing he was ripping us off, or was he just so inept he got things mixed up? Either way he's definitely showing he's not the brightest lamp in the tanning bed.

I understood he was cleared of any deliberate wrong doing some time ago. It could easily have been a staff member who inadvertently included that in the expense claim. If it was a mistake then it would only be fair to allow repayment.

Was Slipper's cab charges inadvertent? Slipper is still being investigated whereas it appears Abbott wa cleared of any deliberate wrong doing.

 

[moXJO]

Got a link

Nvm found it on an Abbott hate site that is pushing it. Its from back in 2010. Ill dig around

 

[sydboy007]

Nvm found it on an Abbott hate site that is pushing it. Its from back in 2010. Ill dig around

http://nofibs.com.au/2013/07/09/abbotts-battlerort-lines-collapse-under-bkjabour-questioning/

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I understood he was cleared of any deliberate wrong doing some time ago. It could easily have been a staff member who inadvertently included that in the expense claim. If it was a mistake then it would only be fair to allow repayment.

Was Slipper's cab charges inadvertent? Slipper is still being investigated whereas it appears Abbott wa cleared of any deliberate wrong doing.

Why did he use a com car when he was doing his book singing tour?

he hopped in a car paid for by the tax payer then went off to do personal business.

I'd not harp on it, except for the way Aboott was so vicious over Peter Slipper. Slipper was for $900 whereas Abbott was for over 10K, so why is Slipper up on charges and Abbott allowed to repay?

 

[moXJO]

http://nofibs.com.au/2013/07/09/abbotts-battlerort-lines-collapse-under-bkjabour-questioning/

Yeah thats the site.
Im not interested in a bunch of abbott haters opinons though, was it true the reporter who questioned abbott was a labor stooge?

 

[wayneL]

There are plenty of posts on here that dont rate any better. How do you define "average"?. Five minutes on ASF can have the same result.

I don't think people on ASF are "average", although I do agree with your point.

But the "average" Winnie was referring to are people with no idea of the basic platform/ideology of the parties and vote based on the perceptions presented to them by the media and/or how "likeable" the leader is... or how they were indoctrinated to vote by their parents.

 

[explod]

But the "average" Winnie was referring to are people with no idea of the basic platform/ideology of the parties and vote based on the perceptions presented to them by the media and/or how "likeable" the leader is... or how they were indoctrinated to vote by their parents.

So true, but what a bad state of affairs.

 

[Some Dude]

Yeah thats the site.
Im not interested in a bunch of abbott haters opinons though, was it true the reporter who questioned abbott was a labor stooge?

It was Glen Milne who first raised it in 2010.

Was Slipper's cab charges inadvertent? Slipper is still being investigated whereas it appears Abbott wa cleared of any deliberate wrong doing.

It's called The Minchin Protocol. If an error or problem is discovered, the person can pay it back as long as it has not already been referred to the police. This is why this case gets interesting because someone reported Peter Slipper to the police instead of giving him the opportunity to pay it back under the Minchin Protocol. From a related court case (Ashby) judgement:

167 I reject those arguments. In my opinion, Mr Ashby included the Cabcharge allegations in the originating application for the predominant purpose of injuring Mr Slipper and assisting a political attack on him to benefit Mr Brough and the LNP. This is emphasised by his decision to include the assertion that he intended to report the matter to the Australian Federal Police. Mr Russell QC had told him, in Mr Brough’s presence, two weeks before the originating application was filed that he was free to do so if he was concerned about Mr Slipper’s conduct. Mr Ashby did not do so. Instead, he waited to announce his “intention” to do so in the originating application knowing that this would be reported in the media. His statement that he “intended” to make the report was itself made two months after the alleged conduct last occurred and over one month after Mr Ashby had requested that he be allowed to travel at his own expense with Mr Slipper on an overseas trip.

 

[Some Dude]

But the "average" Winnie was referring to are people with no idea of the basic platform/ideology of the parties and vote based on the perceptions presented to them by the media and/or how "likeable" the leader is... or how they were indoctrinated to vote by their parents.

How would you suggest people address this problem?

 

[Calliope]

I'd not harp on it, except for the way Aboott was so vicious over Peter Slipper. Slipper was for $900 whereas Abbott was for over 10K, so why is Slipper up on charges and Abbott allowed to repay?

Slipper was a serial offender. He has never explained, for example, what electoral business he was engaged in, on his many CabCharge visits to Oxford Street and Kings Cross in Sydney. I think you are skating on thin ice when you champion Slipper's cause, even if only to make a morality comparison with the hated Aboott (sic).

 

[Bushman]

What's TA offering as a counter to Rudd's lack of substance? i don't think a lack of platform or policy wins over perceived lack of substance...first the Noalition has to stand for something, i don't think winding back the clock is actually "something"

KRudd has Abbott's measure. This is the most carefully orchestrated 'campaign when you are not campaigning' I have ever seen. Despite his protestations that it was the scores of Aussie pleading with him to return that led to him throwing his hat into the ring, it is actually the culmination of months of planning with his good mates Albo and Bowen. They have taken away two of Abbott's attack dog targets, namely -
1. Union corruption
2. Faceless men

KRudd has got on a plane to Indo, getting Bambang to back his plan over Abbott's. This has led to Scott Morrison sounding like J Howard on speed by saying he will send in the SAS to deal with 'self harming boat people'? Bizarre.

KRudd has dulled the 'blue tie' rhetoric but elevating a lesbian Asian woman to leader of the senate and several women and a muslim man to Caucus.

Incredible campaign to date really. KRudd is looking Presidential, understanding the power of celebrity and the power of social media amongst younger Australians. He is doing an Obama, appealing to younger Australians, female Australians and non-WASP Australians.

Abbott just does not get it. He pulled out Howard to bolster the troops and re-instated the spectre of Tampa, forgetting that this appeals to a generation of Australians who are now +60 yrs. In other words, it has diminishing returns.

I think KRudd, @ this moment, has his measure. Incredible really. Abbott is not presidential, his 'Howard era' rhetoric does not wash with younger Aussie and he is not playing to the Liberal party strengths -
1. support for small business,
2. giving big business a competitive advantage,
3. fiscal responsibility / small government,
4. politically stable, and
5. industrial relations reform.

He needs to understand the threat of KRudd, the appeal of KRudd outside of the +55 yrs demographic. He needs to understand that Australia is increasingly looking for a President, not a Prime Minister. He needs to understand voters in the 18-35 demographic, the fact that they have not experienced a Vietnam / Cold War, a recession, that they love Obama, are very interested in social issues, that they get their news from the peers via social media, that they love geek alpha males. He needs to take an interest in foreign policy, to look to Asia and not just the Western world. He needs to realise that younger Aussie travel and do not 'fear' Asia like older Australians. Otherwise KRudd will pull this off and that is incredible really.

Personally, I believe in taking responsibility, a strong economy and small government; ALP will not get us there. Off course, I worry about Abbott seemingly being stuck in a time warp, about being the re-incarnation of Howard. But the ALP, KRudd and Gillard do not deserve to be re-elected and it will, in my mind, be a regressive step for Australia to reward KRudd for his dangerous game of destabilising Gillard in the pursuit of power.

 

[dutchie]

KRudd has Abbott's measure.

Good post Bushman.

Abbott needs to go on the attack (with policy detail) now before Krudd gets too much momentum.

Why not assume that the election date has been called and act accordingly.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

A very good post Bushman.

Encapsulates the dilemma for voters.

Methinks that KRudd is a Princess Diana figure, destined for hubris.

Abbott is a strong character.

Who knows how Mr. and Mrs. Shoppingtrolley will vote?

They certainly have wobbly wheels.

Rudd will meet his Dodi, either as PM or in opposition.

gg

 

[Calliope]

A very good post Bushman.

Encapsulates the dilemma for voters.

Methinks that KRudd is a Princess Diana figure, destined for hubris.

Abbott is a strong character.

Who knows how Mr. and Mrs. Shoppingtrolley will vote?

They certainly have wobbly wheels.

Rudd will meet his Dodi, either as PM or in opposition.

gg

G'day GG. Yes Bushman has made an excellent summation of what Abbott is up against. Rudd is a nasty piese of work and you are right, he is destined for hubris, but it may come too late to save the country from his evil machinations.