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Watched the republican rally with Howard, god it was shallow Americanism at its worst, thought Howard looked really ordinary and Abbott a complete dill.
 
IFocus said:
Watched the republican rally with Howard, god it was shallow Americanism at its worst, thought Howard looked really ordinary and Abbott a complete dill.
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Well it makes a change from Gillard and Swan. lol

You want to get on the Americanism cart, be carefull what you wish for, Rudd is the bling king.

Day one, I thought 'ah give him a go'.
Day two, I'm starting to get sick of him.

Let's see how it goes over a couple of weeks.:xyxthumbs
 
IFocus said:
I cannot for the life of me ever remember an opposition leader shying away from a debate with the incumbent.

How weak is Abbott extraordinary.

"Abbott ducks Rudd's call for economy debate"

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...s-call-for-economy-debate-20130630-2p4w9.html
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All in good time. Have patience IFocus. The election has not been called yet.

It is all about timing for Abbott when he sees he budget deficit blow again, then he will have something to debate.

What do you reckon? Will Labor still be able to produce a $18.6 Billion black hole or will it be bigger?
 
Watched Abbott this morning interviewed here in Melbourne on Ch 7 and the content of his words barely got past stutterred umms and arrs and when it did there was no positive policy but negative repitition of the last week. The Bolt report this arvo was no better. So KKKKRuddy really does not have to do a thing but be there for a win.

Reckon he will call an election within 30 days from this week and the two party preferred will go to ALP 55, Lib 45, more in line with the current popular leader poll.

Krudd is just a pretty la la boy but people today love this junk TV stuff,

Abbott himself is going to lose this.
 
IFocus said:
I cannot for the life of me ever remember an opposition leader shying away from a debate with the incumbent.

How weak is Abbott extraordinary.

"Abbott ducks Rudd's call for economy debate"
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It would have been a hoot. Neither of them have a clue about the economy.:D Abbott should challenge him to a debate on border protection.
 
Calliope said:
It would have been a hoot. Neither of them have a clue about the economy.:D Abbott should challenge him to a debate on border protection.
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Personally I'd like them to debate on what spending they will cut, and what their plans for the future of manufacturing is in Australia.

So far neither party seems to want to touch the difficult issues.

It'll take a recession before we see any change :banghead:

ps. hopefully since Abbott is a self confessed non tech head he'll have a slightly better understand on economic and industry policy than he does about broadband. He might not be quite up there with Senator Luddite, but his Malcolm Turnbull "virtually invented the internet in this country" certainly shows he's not too quick on his feet, and if it was scripted, then he needs new writers to keep him in line.
 
sydboy007 said:
Personally I'd like them to debate on what spending they will cut, and what their plans for the future of manufacturing is in Australia.

So far neither party seems to want to touch the difficult issues.
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You're right Syd. Neither has the guts to go there. Premier Newman has made significant spending cuts in Queensland. Rudd cites this as an example of a "slash and burn" policy that Abbott would adopt, and that's sufficient to scare Abbott away from any "courageous" policy decision on this issue.

I think it's Rudd's aim to put Abbott on the defensive during the election campaign. It should be the other way around. But on the hustings Rudd will do him off a break.
 
Calliope said:
You're right Syd. Neither has the guts to go there. Premier Newman has made significant spending cuts in Queensland. Rudd cites this as an example of a "slash and burn" policy that Abbott would adopt, and that's sufficient to scare Abbott away from any "courageous" policy decision on this issue.

I think it's Rudd's aim to put Abbott on the defensive during the election campaign. It should be the other way around. But on the hustings Rudd will do him off a break.
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part of me thinks some of the cuts Newman has done, and especially they way he has done them, is mainly about politics than about economics. Don't get me wrong, all state Governments need to lean up, but I think Newman's shock and awe has caused a bigger downturn in the states' GDP than if he had taken a bit less aggressive tone to things.

It's a rare talent for someone to be a great public performer AND to have the policy nous to actually say something of import when using their performance skills.

These days does anyone really listen to what the politicians are saying?

I've been reading John Marsdens Tomorrow series and had to laugh when the teenagers in the story would all rush to turn the radio off once the Australia politicians would start to waffle on during a news update, safe in Washington while the country was at war.

These days the only thing more annoying that a politician doing a spruikbot one liner is an add that seems to be set to twice as loud as the tv show it just replaced.

Is there any way to cause a constitutional crisis with a 90% donkey vote? Could we give the major political parties a wake up call so they go away and find some decent candidates that are actually worthy of our trust and votes??
 
sydboy007 said:
Is there any way to cause a constitutional crisis with a 90% donkey vote? Could we give the major political parties a wake up call so they go away and find some decent candidates that are actually worthy of our trust and votes??
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Wouldn't happen due to the proportion of voters that are rusted to either side.

In terms of your criticism above, do you see the Greens as a major party ?
 
drsmith said:
Wouldn't happen due to the proportion of voters that are rusted to either side.

In terms of your criticism above, do you see the Greens as a major party ?
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Greens are peripheral really. The Nationals are too, though they tend to have far more power than the votes they garner would suggest.

The greens have the odd decent policy, but in general are like most "pure" groupings, unable to really see any way forward but their own. I put them in with the far right and far left.

Tony strikes me sometimes as being a centrist, but then says something that puts him on the far right.

It will be interesting to see what he has to say about Fred Nile's Zoe Bill that the O'Farrel Govt is supporting in return for Mr Nile helping them to sell off Newcastle ports, considering the mother of the child who it's named after doesn't support it.
 
sydboy007 said:
Greens are peripheral really. The Nationals are too, though they tend to have far more power than the votes they garner would suggest.
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The trouble with the greens that in a policy outcome perspective, they have been far from peripheral.

The Nationals I would suggest have far less influence on major policy issues such as new economy wide taxes and immigration and are closer to centre than the Greens. They are more the rural arm of the conservative mainstream where as on the other side, the Greens are out there.
 
explod said:
Reckon he will call an election within 30 days from this week and the two party preferred will go to ALP 55, Lib 45, more in line with the current popular leader poll.

Krudd is just a pretty la la boy but people today love this junk TV stuff,

Abbott himself is going to lose this.
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Rudds ego will be his downfall if he is not careful, the guy is the biggest toss pot to ever grace Canberra. If he is smart he will call the election as soon as possible. If his ego takes control he might wait to long, long enough for the public to remember how bad he is.
I can't help get the feeling he timed the stabbing for this exact date. He folded back in March knowing it was too long till the election and let Julia take the heat in the polls. He is a sly bastard imo and I hope the libs have some decent policy because Rudd has already begun his 'me too' spruik and people lap up his rambling go nowhere speeches. He has already BS the business community so I have no doubt he hasn't changed.





sydboy007 said:
Personally I'd like them to debate on what spending they will cut, and what their plans for the future of manufacturing is in Australia.

So far neither party seems to want to touch the difficult issues.

It'll take a recession before we see any change :banghead:
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Agree, small business, secondary education needs a look at as well. Trying to upskill in this country seems harder then what it should be. Red tape and leech industry need to be cut back.
 
moXJO said:
Agree, small business, secondary education needs a look at as well. Trying to upskill in this country seems harder then what it should be. Red tape and leech industry need to be cut back.
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I worry a lot about the degrading of secondary schools in Australia.

It seems unfair that a lot of families feel forced into sendign their kids to private schools, or low cost Catholic schools because the public schools are so underfunded.

Throw in children with learning issues who then quite often cause disruptions in the class room and the cycle reinforces itself.

Certainly a lot of legislation and regulation needs to be simplified, and the states need to be forced to harmonise a lot of red tape too.

I just question if Tony has the ticker. He's spend the last 3 years being a populist, and what this country needs is true leadership that is willing to make the unpopular decisions. We might gripe about it, and whoever takes the action might go down in the opinion polls, but I dare say at the following election they will get the votes because they'll have earned the publics' respect.

Tony might surprise me, but so far he's not said or done anything to make me think he'll do much in office.
 
sydboy007 said:
.....and what this country needs is true leadership that is willing to make the unpopular decisions. We might gripe about it, and whoever takes the action might go down in the opinion polls, but I dare say at the following election they will get the votes because they'll have earned the publics' respect.

Tony might surprise me, but so far he's not said or done anything to make me think he'll do much in office.
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I think you overestimate the electorate.... vis a vis, a three year term is not long enough to implement good, but initially unpopular policy AND ride out the "J curve" in the polls.
 
I dont know why people call Abbott hard right, I would call him a centrist.
He does what his party has told the electorate they would do, rather than just run off, at least he stands by his word. I actually think he would make a good PM.

I dont think Australia could handle another term with Labor and I am very surprised that people would pick Rudd again when we have already seen what he is capable of. Makes me think of that saying -- Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Says alot about the public.

We live in such a lucky country and seeing the wastage of this government is a worry at a time when we should be watching what we are doing.
 
Abbott's lift in the polls and the upsurge for the Coalition came courtesy of the general hatred for Julia Gillard. Now that Abbott has lost this crutch he is more likely to be put under the microscope and if he continues with his "look - ahs" and "but but buts" and looking like a frightened rabbit in the headlights, he will become a liability. He is becoming the fall guy to Rudd's showmanship.

Of course Abbott has more integrity, but Rudd is absolutely without scruples. Every photograph of Rudd is carefully staged, especially those pitched at the ethnic communities. He even uses his half-Asian young grandchild as a prop. He has now appointed the first Muslim to the ministry. Both are cynical ploys to win the Chinese and Muslim communities in Sydney's Western suburbs.

But the 18-34s apparently can't see through him. He has them in the palm of his hand.

I am afraid he will leave Abbott floundering in his wake.
 
Calliope said:
Abbott's lift in the polls and the upsurge for the Coalition came courtesy of the general hatred for Julia Gillard. Now that Abbott has lost this crutch he is more likely to be put under the microscope and if he continues with his "look - ahs" and "but but buts" and looking like a frightened rabbit in the headlights, he will become a liability. He is becoming the fall guy to Rudd's showmanship.

Of course Abbott has more integrity, but Rudd is absolutely without scruples. Every photograph of Rudd is carefully staged, especially those pitched at the ethnic communities. He even uses his half-Asian young grandchild as a prop. He has now appointed the first Muslim to the ministry. Both are cynical ploys to win the Chinese and Muslim communities in Sydney's Western suburbs.

But the 18-34s apparently can't see through him. He has them in the palm of his hand.

I am afraid he will leave Abbott floundering in his wake.
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I hope you're wrong but I doubt it...politics has become the playground of the "performer" and Abbott just isn't charismatic, it shouldn't matter but it just does.
 
All Abbott has to do to romp it in is give clear policies that show some vision for Australia and to not do anything stupid. I think Rudd getting in will make him articulate these policies which can only be good for democracy and for giving confidence back to the populace.

The easy ride is over, but he holds all the cards.
 
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