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I suppose you will now do the decent thing and resign from the Greens.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...fires-up-farmers/story-fngw0i02-1226551587643
Tony Abbott for PM
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I suppose you will now do the decent thing and resign from the Greens.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...fires-up-farmers/story-fngw0i02-1226551587643
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Why?
How about some reasons?
From farming stock from a youth and a Green I do know we should not have housing developments anywhere near the bush. It is also destroying good farming land as have the 10, 5 and one acre blocks over the last 30 years. The four acres I live on is an exception of course
As far as farming is concerned in States like Tassie, they should not be in among or near to Co2 heat sink forrests at all.
I'm late to this thread so apologies, but decided to add a comment rather than just address my monitor.
The whole Abbott the Firefighter issue boils down to one of respect for me.
If he had joined the firefighting purely to get his head in the paper - I would respect him less.
The fact that he is a longstanding member of the voluntary fire service and is out there doing what he would have done prior to being leader of the opposition - makes me respect him a little more.
Explod's argument that he is "too important" to be on the front line is an outdated one, a la the monarchy, in my opinion. I think people like to see their leaders setting an example and leading from the front these days, rather than directing proceedings from a position of safety. Again, comes back to the "respect factor". Although he's potentially placing himself in harm's way, the statistical chances of permanent damage to his leadership abilities are low, and heaven knows no leader of a political party is beyond being replaced these days in any case
As far as the media coverage is concerned - again I see things a little differently. Given the sustained image-tarnishing that has been in vogue in politics, I see it as his duty to his party and his supporters to do all in his power to improve public perception of "Abbott the man". If he truly believes he's the best person to lead our country, than he should seize every opportunity to get himself into a position to do so - tacky, opportune, or not. As the ALP seem intent on playing the man rather than the ball, it would be almost irresponsible of him not to take advantage of any positive media he can get - especially since it is doing something that he's done for several years, but is largely unknown to the Australian public. The average voter is not quite as stupid as our pollies or the media sometimes seem to assume - most of us have a bullsh!t filter and can tell the genuine motivations from the purely gratuitous photo op. As noco pointed out - sometimes an absence also speaks volumes!
The whole Abbott the Firefighter issue boils down to one of respect for me.
If he had joined the firefighting purely to get his head in the paper - I would respect him less.
The fact that he is a longstanding member of the voluntary fire service and is out there doing what he would have done prior to being leader of the opposition - makes me respect him a little more.
Explod's argument that he is "too important" to be on the front line is an outdated one, a la the monarchy, in my opinion. I think people like to see their leaders setting an example and leading from the front these days, rather than directing proceedings from a position of safety. Again, comes back to the "respect factor". Although he's potentially placing himself in harm's way, the statistical chances of permanent damage to his leadership abilities are low, and heaven knows no leader of a political party is beyond being replaced these days in any case
As far as the media coverage is concerned - again I see things a little differently. Given the sustained image-tarnishing that has been in vogue in politics, I see it as his duty to his party and his supporters to do all in his power to improve public perception of "Abbott the man". If he truly believes he's the best person to lead our country, than he should seize every opportunity to get himself into a position to do so - tacky, opportune, or not. As the ALP seem intent on playing the man rather than the ball, it would be almost irresponsible of him not to take advantage of any positive media he can get - especially since it is doing something that he's done for several years, but is largely unknown to the Australian public. The average voter is not quite as stupid as our pollies or the media sometimes seem to assume - most of us have a bullsh!t filter and can tell the genuine motivations from the purely gratuitous photo op. As noco pointed out - sometimes an absence also speaks volumes!
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Says Plod with child-like innocence.
Obviously you didn't read the link. The Greens opposition to controlled fuel reduction borders on criminality.
I know this is off topic Plod, but if you want to defend your association with these psychopaths there is a more appropriate thread.
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Says Plod with child-like innocence.
Obviously you didn't read the link. The Greens opposition to controlled fuel reduction borders on criminality.
I know this is off topic Plod, but if you want to defend your association with these psychopaths there is a more appropriate thread.
Good post.
Sorry to intrude.
I don't think it is off topic in the least, Calliope.
It is a good reason to have Tony Abbott as PM, to put an end to all this ideological interference in people's lives and work.
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I'm late to this thread so apologies, but decided to add a comment rather than just address my monitor.
The whole Abbott the Firefighter issue boils down to one of respect for me.
If he had joined the firefighting purely to get his head in the paper - I would respect him less.
The fact that he is a longstanding member of the voluntary fire service and is out there doing what he would have done prior to being leader of the opposition - makes me respect him a little more.
Explod's argument that he is "too important" to be on the front line is an outdated one, a la the monarchy, in my opinion. I think people like to see their leaders setting an example and leading from the front these days, rather than directing proceedings from a position of safety. Again, comes back to the "respect factor". Although he's potentially placing himself in harm's way, the statistical chances of permanent damage to his leadership abilities are low, and heaven knows no leader of a political party is beyond being replaced these days in any case
As far as the media coverage is concerned - again I see things a little differently. Given the sustained image-tarnishing that has been in vogue in politics, I see it as his duty to his party and his supporters to do all in his power to improve public perception of "Abbott the man". If he truly believes he's the best person to lead our country, than he should seize every opportunity to get himself into a position to do so - tacky, opportune, or not. As the ALP seem intent on playing the man rather than the ball, it would be almost irresponsible of him not to take advantage of any positive media he can get - especially since it is doing something that he's done for several years, but is largely unknown to the Australian public. The average voter is not quite as stupid as our pollies or the media sometimes seem to assume - most of us have a bullsh!t filter and can tell the genuine motivations from the purely gratuitous photo op. As noco pointed out - sometimes an absence also speaks volumes!
Well said, DocK...
It defies belief that the left are so hell bent on playing the man rather than the ball. Anna Bligh tried this in Qld and even tried to smear Newman's wife but voters were not impressed. You would think labor would have learned something from that, but it seems they are so blinded with their obsession to play the man, they have no hope of being objective.
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A poll on mamamia - this site seems to be quite strongly anti-Abbott, however, their poll gives different results:
Poll is still open and currently has over 20,000 votes!
http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/this-is-why-the-mamamia-crowd-are-suspicious-of-tony-abbott/
Who's your preferred PM?
Tony Abbott (45%, 9,182 Votes)
Julia Gillard (31%, 6,393 Votes)
Malcolm Turnbull (10%, 1,963 Votes)
Kevin Rudd (6%, 1,254 Votes)
Joe Hockey (5%, 1,066 Votes)
Tanya Plibersek (3%, 439 Votes)
Tony Abbott (45%, 9,182 Votes)
Julia Gillard (31%, 6,393 Votes)
Malcolm Turnbull (10%, 1,963 Votes)
Kevin Rudd (6%, 1,254 Votes)
Joe Hockey (5%, 1,066 Votes)
Tanya Plibersek (3%, 439 Votes)
Poll is still open and currently has over 20,000 votes!
http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/this-is-why-the-mamamia-crowd-are-suspicious-of-tony-abbott/
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Burning off scrub has been shown to be virtually useless with the heat and wind tempests now. Remember well clearing people out of houses next to the Stony Rises just East of Camperdown about 1976/77 when the fires jumped two miles ahead and crossed the Princess Highway in front of my eyes with 100 metres of burn off on each side as if it was not there, and this was normal grassland. A 60 km north westerly at 40+c is explosive.
The psychopaths are the firebugs. In my past I have known three of them found to be members of the CFA
Greens are trying to save the bush and the ecosystems habitats which in fact support each other.
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Well said (when you think you have the wind direction right) as usual gg.
So what is Tony going to do about the intensifying winds and heat?
Stay at the front and fry, or I suppose we could just turn the whole place into concrete.
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A most amazing poll result. It just shows that people do not always disclose their opinions to pollsters who cold call about individuals against whom an unfair hate campaign is being waged, such as Tony Abbott.
I think you will find that John McTernan and Julia Gillard will be pulling Craig Emerson off Twitter tout de suite, after this poll.
And the mamamia demographic, doctors wives and the rich professional women, one would expect to put Julia Gillard ahead of Tony Abbott.
Another plus for Tony, my contacts on the Sunshine Coast tell me, is that Kevin Rudd is gearing up for his last tilt at Julia in February. He is a bit like Dracula, always ready to rear up again when one least expects.
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But bugger the farmers and the homeowners whom you blame for actually living in Dunalley. Of course the Greenies mainly live in suburbs like Wentworth and Toorak .
I give up. You are too well indoctrinated (or obtuse) to be reasoned with.
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I think this poll is closer to the truth, I never once thought that more people would prefer Gillard to ....well....anyone really, she's terrible.
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I don't think he can roll her, she just has to put the leather on and get the whip out and all her neutered lap dogs fall into line.
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That is not correct according to the ABC's The Drum broadcast a few days ago. When two of the panelists were assuming Abbott had tweeted about his involvement, the presenter corrected them and said that the information came from a Liberal party statement. The confusion seems to be because the Labor MP (O'Connor?) who initially attacked Abbott's involvement as being a stunt, used Twitter to do so.
I do not know what the content of Liberal Party's press statement was. It may have just been factual information concerning the whereabouts of their leader.
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Rudd (if he has another go) will get a lot closer than last time. They know an election is coming.
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Fair enough read some where Abbott tweeted he was on standby with his local brigade.
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Somebody asked the question of what volunteer work Ms Gillard has done.
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Firstly, Calliope is in the wrong thread, this is the "Tony Abbott for PM" thread, not the "Julia Gillard is a Bitch" thread.
Secondly, Calliope needs to be reminded of Tony Abbott's foray into "slush funds", as in, his role in the "Lets get Pauline Hanson in Jail as She is a Threat to the Coalition" slush fund.
"Abbott has his own slushy history"
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...shy-history-20121201-2anjy.html#ixzz2Hf0ZIYgd
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I tried to post in that thread but there's 20 million people before me, quite a long wait
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Sorry Macquack if I rub you the wrong way. I see you as one of the knights of old riding to the rescue of the fair maiden. However your gallantry is wasted on Gillard. She is too deep in her self created mire of hatred to be saved.
You should ask yourself whether she is worth it. I am not surprised that you are now contemplating a "Julia Gillard is a Bitch" thread. No doubt it will be popular.
All the best old whale warrior.