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Some Dude said:
You're right on one thing, I have heard ALP members go on, including with hyperbole, about Abbott. But I have equally seen the opposition do the same with Gillard, et al so I really scratch my head when you say that it's just one side going on about it.

In no way am I saying two wrongs make a right in this context, I genuinely think that they all do it because it has been demonstrated time and time again that it works. It will only stop when people don't treat it as acceptable behaviour. In many way, it reminds me of the tribal violence problem where grudges are held for generations with no apparent real benefit, yet it continues.
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+1 they are all behaving deplorably.
 
Tony Abbott is a good bloke.

An ordinary Australian man, beset by a modernist take on what is manly, and what is not.

He has his good and bad points and will be one of our greater Prime Ministers.

I remember when similar hounding of John Howard occurred by Keating, the Fairfax Media and the ABC, when JWH was in opposition.

Howard just about eclipsed all previous Prime Ministers in spite of the misogynist treatment of him.

( see new definition of misogynist by the Macquarie Dicks-honorary for context )

gg
 
What a wanker this Brendon O'Connor is accusing Abbott of pulling some kind of stunt when he has been with the Rural Fire fighters for 2 decades.

It is a pity O'Connor and some of his Green/labor socialist left wing cronnies didn't get off the lazy a$ses and help out too.

Unlike Gillard who has been out and about looking for Cameras where ever she can without contrbuting to the cause. Talk about pulling stunts, Gillard is a past master at it.

The Labor Party is full of hypocrisy.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-bushfire-fight/story-fncyva0b-1226550553299
 
noco said:
What a wanker this Brendon O'Connor is accusing Abbott of pulling some kind of stunt when he has been with the Rural Fire fighters for 2 decades.

It is a pity O'Connor and some of his Green/labor socialist left wing cronnies didn't get off the lazy a$ses and help out too.

Unlike Gillard who has been out and about looking for Cameras where ever she can without contrbuting to the cause. Talk about pulling stunts, Gillard is a past master at it.

The Labor Party is full of hypocrisy.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...s-bushfire-fight/story-fncyva0b-1226550553299
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There is no chance the Greens will join the fire brigade they just want to increase fuel burden.:D
 
Some Dude said:
Yeah but no one is elaborating on where this meme comes from :)
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Well possibly from the fact the greens just about shut down all harvesting and value adding from forrests in Tassie. So one should expect this will be a normal course of events for Tasmania most summers.
However that is probably another thread.
The reason I brought it up on this thread was the Greens are just as vocal as Labor in their condemnation of Abbott.
Therefore when his reasons for giving up his time to fight bushfires, is brought into question, I thought it was pertinent.
Can you give me a link to someone in the Labor Party who has got off their ar$e to do anything physical.
Maybe "beds are burning" you can't throw me out Garrett was out there doing something?
 
Some Dude said:
I suspect most people would find both Gillard and Abbott decent people if they knew them in person.

In your opinion, what is the worst and most political attack you have seen on Abbott? Are there no analogous political attacks on Gillard?
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Obviously the latest attack on Abbotts reasons to be in the fire brigade, somewhat answers your question.

Also may throw in his reasons for visiting aboriginal communities, may as well throw in his reasons for doing triathalons and hiring female heads of staff.

Yep, they really have him pegged.
It's a shame they judge him by their own standards.:eek:

Like I've said before, the political d'etente has decended to to a carpark stop work meeting level.
 
sptrawler said:
Obviously the latest attack on Abbotts reasons to be in the fire brigade, somewhat answers your question.

Also may throw in his reasons for visiting aboriginal communities, may as well throw in his reasons for doing triathalons and hiring female heads of staff.

Yep, they really have him pegged.
It's a shame they judge him by their own standards.:eek:
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+1

gg
 
Anyway out to dinner, with an 80yr old SFR couple, shopper docket 2 for one.lol
See we are'nt trying to burn our money to live on the pension, we're as frugal as ever.:D
 
sptrawler said:
The reason I brought it up on this thread was the Greens are just as vocal as Labor in their condemnation of Abbott.
Therefore when his reasons for giving up his time to fight bushfires, is brought into question, I thought it was pertinent.
Can you give me a link to someone in the Labor Party who has got off their ar$e to do anything physical.
Maybe "beds are burning" you can't throw me out Garrett was out there doing something?
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I'm not disagreeing with your distaste for for what you perceive as a petty dig at Abbott for his efforts. I am however questioning why people on this forum seem intent to imply or accuse the Greens with some sense of blame for some of the victims when it can be actually demonstrated that the accusation can't be reconciled with what the Greens publish on their website.
 
Some Dude said:
I'm not disagreeing with your distaste for for what you perceive as a petty dig at Abbott for his efforts. I am however questioning why people on this forum seem intent to imply or accuse the Greens with some sense of blame for some of the victims when it can be actually demonstrated that the accusation can't be reconciled with what the Greens publish on their website.
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Aren't these guys talking about the actions of the Greens rather than some words on their website, though?
 
sptrawler said:
Obviously the latest attack on Abbotts reasons to be in the fire brigade, somewhat answers your question.

Also may throw in his reasons for visiting aboriginal communities, may as well throw in his reasons for doing triathalons and hiring female heads of staff.

Yep, they really have him pegged.
It's a shame they judge him by their own standards.:eek:

Like I've said before, the political d'etente has decended to to a carpark stop work meeting level.
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+2.

Some Dude said:
I'm not disagreeing with your distaste for for what you perceive as a petty dig at Abbott for his efforts. I am however questioning why people on this forum seem intent to imply or accuse the Greens with some sense of blame for some of the victims when it can be actually demonstrated that the accusation can't be reconciled with what the Greens publish on their website.
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I appreciate that your recent posts in this thread have been thoughtful and reasonable. I'm just having a bit of difficulty understanding just what you mean with this comment about the Greens. Could you perhaps express it a bit differently?

I'm personally feeling more than usually disgusted with the Greens on account of their absolute support for this Jonathan someone who, with his squalid camp in the bush, we would once have called a hippie and his totally irresponsible actions re Whitehaven Coal. It is to the Labor Party's complete discredit that they are in coalition with a party which supports fraud.
 
Julia said:
+2.


I appreciate that your recent posts in this thread have been thoughtful and reasonable. I'm just having a bit of difficulty understanding just what you mean with this comment about the Greens. Could you perhaps express it a bit differently?

I'm personally feeling more than usually disgusted with the Greens on account of their absolute support for this Jonathan someone who, with his squalid camp in the bush, we would once have called a hippie and his totally irresponsible actions re Whitehaven Coal. It is to the Labor Party's complete discredit that they are in coalition with a party which supports fraud.
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+1

gg
 
Some Dude said:
Hence my questions about where the meme has come from?
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Fuel reduction = reducing things that burn (ie. over-grown forestry)

Greens = converservationists who like to protect forestry and let it grow naturally

Therefore the Greens want to add to the fuel!

Whilst I am not sure what happens in reality, people just make the connection for memes such as this, simply like I just did without much thought (again I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, just demonstrating the thought process as I see it).
 
Julia said:
I appreciate that your recent posts in this thread have been thoughtful and reasonable. I'm just having a bit of difficulty understanding just what you mean with this comment about the Greens. Could you perhaps express it a bit differently?
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Hi Julia :)

I initially read a post indicating that the Greens supposed contributed to the bushfires, and responsibility for the destruction of homes. I checked their website (sorry GG, I'm not a staffer) which at least superficially indicated that they supported fuel reduction management. The parameters of that decision making is always going to be subject to argument but that is no different to any other government or organisation which makes calls about these thing e.g. Dam levels. But the seemingly clear implication was that they were culpably responsible in the opinions of several posters.

I'm trying to ascertain where this meme comes from other than articles that a friend of a friend read something or knew someone. Given the distaste that people have for politicking with Abbott in the general public, for which I hope that people notice I don't do, it would seem problematic for people to spread these types of emotive claims without some more vigorous information. I'm asking what that information is.
 
Ves said:
Whilst I am not sure what happens in reality, people just make the connection for memes such as this, simply like I just did without much thought (again I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, just demonstrating the thought process as I see it).
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Bingo. Is it a stereotype, or is there something legitimate to it.
 
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