Tony Abbott for PM

[noco]

Agree. Mr Brough was a pretty impressive performer imo.

Yes, and he speaks well and with sincerity.

I was extremely disappointed when he lost his seat at the last election.

 

[Calliope]

Yes, and he speaks well and with sincerity.

I was extremely disappointed when he lost his seat at the last election.

He has Labor worried too. Nicola Roxon is putting him on her dirt file and is trying to involve him in Slippery's fall from grace.

 

[IFocus]

Which individuals do you have in mind here IFocus?

Dump Andrews, Mirabella and Bronwyn Bishop (reality is Abbott cannot due to factions)

Arthur Sinodinos should be promoted (although already on outer ministry and will be with his connections / faction) Kelly O'Dwyer is certainly one of the better public performers and should be at least in the outer ministry but I don't think she is aligned with the right so wont be.

Oh and I don't rate Brough certainty after the Slipper affair I think he has blown it totally.

 

[sptrawler]

Dump Andrews, Mirabella and Bronwyn Bishop (reality is Abbott cannot due to factions)

Arthur Sinodinos should be promoted (although already on outer ministry and will be with his connections / faction) Kelly O'Dwyer is certainly one of the better public performers and should be at least in the outer ministry but I don't think she is aligned with the right so wont be.

Oh and I don't rate Brough certainty after the Slipper affair I think he has blown it totally.

Touche, IFocus, the Libs need a shakeup prior or just after taking office. Good post

 

[Julia]

Dump Andrews, Mirabella and Bronwyn Bishop

Agree. I also just cannot see where Andrew Robb adds weight, despite so many comments about how good he is.

Arthur Sinodinos should be promoted (although already on outer ministry and will be with his connections / faction) Kelly O'Dwyer is certainly one of the better public performers

Totally agree about Mr Sinodinos and he's had such valuable experience working closely with John Howard.
I'm only vaguely aware of Kelly O'Dwyer and have never seen or heard her speaking.

I like Scott Morrison and to a lesser degree Greg Hunt.

Oh and I don't rate Brough certainty after the Slipper affair I think he has blown it totally.

Hope you're wrong here but get your reasons for suggesting it.

 

[orr]

It shouldn't matter, should it. But you're right: it's so noticeable and gives the impression of a pugilistic stance. Perhaps this contributes to the prolific accusations about his so called negativity.

Shouldn't be impossible to correct I'd have thought.

I do like the suggestion that he should switch his approach to "There's a Better Way". Nice slogan which cannot attract the criticism of negativity, and which offers promise for the future. Hope he goes with that.

I'll suggest that his negativity knows no bounds, and when it is lampooned so adroitly as this;

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/06/15/clarke-and-dawe-on-abbott/

He doesn't have a choice but to go with something else. And if a supposed leaders choices are chosen for him, as in this case where the great pugilist has boxed himself into a corner, what a 'leader' he is showing us he shall be.
Hang on a minute Cardinal Pell's on the phone.

 

[drsmith]

It looks like the policy work has been going on behind the scenes.

Meanwhile the Coalition, behind the scenes, has finalised about 50 policy documents via meetings of its senior figures: Abbott, Julie Bishop, Hockey, Robb, Hunt, Warren Truss and Barnaby Joyce.

Time will tell. They'll certainly want to be better prepared than they were last time.

I note no Malcolm Turnmbull on that list. TA won't want to be left to trot out that "I'm no Bill Gates" line twice.

"Bigger government means smaller citizens" is an Abbott slogan. It sounds great. But delivering smaller government for grander citizenship is truly hard. The whole world knows Abbott is a born sloganeer. But slogans aren't enough. Abbott must persuade the public to trust him and provide real intellectual leadership of his party.

That perhaps sums up his biggest challenge in the lead up to the election.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-cultural-change/story-e6frg74x-1226405951205

 

[IFocus]

drsmith;713635



That perhaps sums up his biggest challenge in the lead up to the election.

His biggest challenge is to stand up to answering real questions but I doubt we will see that before the election.

The other is his over weighting of favors to the right to shore up support and its unraveling.

Malcolm will be waiting for both moments.

 

[noco]

His biggest challenge is to stand up to answering real questions but I doubt we will see that before the election.

The other is his over weighting of favors to the right to shore up support and its unraveling.

Malcolm will be waiting for both moments.

Abbott does not have to do a thing. Gillard is doing it all for him.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

His biggest challenge is to stand up to answering real questions but I doubt we will see that before the election.

The other is his over weighting of favors to the right to shore up support and its unraveling.

Malcolm will be waiting for both moments.

Abbott does not have to do a thing. Gillard is doing it all for him.

+1

gg

 

[drsmith]

His biggest challenge is to stand up to answering real questions but I doubt we will see that before the election.

The other is his over weighting of favors to the right to shore up support and its unraveling.

Malcolm will be waiting for both moments.

You're dreamin IF.

It's Kev and Bill who are lining up.

 

[IFocus]

Abbott does not have to do a thing. Gillard is doing it all for him.

Very true but Gina and Palmer with have Abbott jumping once he becomes PM.

Surprised no one raised this from the beloved Aust.

God I miss Keating..........only PM / poly who can really quote the numbers.

Abbott, Merkel cop a spray as Keating of old lets rip

Bemoaning the lack of economic and political leadership at length, Mr Keating said Tony Abbott was a "pre-Copernicus obscurantist"

Mr Keating conceded the Gillard government had been unable to sell its message, but he had no such trouble himself when it came to sketching out his views of the opposition, who were "mindless" and "deleterious to the state of our polity". But the real venom was reserved for the Opposition Leader. He said it pained him to hear "someone this dumb talking about economic and climate policy". "If the public take to him they will get a very large kick in the bum, which they will deserve," he said.

This is just great

"Obama met her at the G20 and he met her again couple of weeks ago. I mean, he should have had her in a headlock."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-of-old-lets-rip/story-fn59niix-1226404853735

 

[sptrawler]

IFocus, the problem with Keating is he can't let go, the same as Fraser. This is where Howard is a bit of a standout, doesn't still crave media attention, unlike Costello who regrets shooting his feet off.
Labor have been given a good run and from the feedback I get, are finished.
Maybe Abbott will be the worste P.M Australia has ever had, but I doubt it.
I think Gillard will take that mantle for a very long time.
As I have said on numerous occassions if labor have the moral high ground and the runs on the board. Also if Tony Abbott is hated by the Australian public and the economy is in great shape, why don't Labor call an election?
I was down at the Stage Door last night and Julia was the main subject of discussion, everyone was saying how much they despised her. Funny thing was they were mainly poor people from what I could make out.

 

[sails]

His biggest challenge is to stand up to answering real questions but I doubt we will see that before the election.

The other is his over weighting of favors to the right to shore up support and its unraveling.

Malcolm will be waiting for both moments.

There are others beside your beloved Malcolm, IF... Others who would not carry on labor's unwanted carbon pricing.

Agree with Noco, Gillard is doing it all for Abbott. Abbott only has to get rid of the carbon tax, fix border security and fix debt for starters and he will romp it home.

In our electorate in Qld, we have had a labor member for some years and she got replaced with a young lady not long out of uni. I met her outside the school and she had her mum with her. I don't know if she's actually up to the job, but such is the anger against labor that a one legged monkey in a tree is likely to to win the next election against Gillard.

 

[MrBurns]

IFocus, the problem with Keating is he can't let go, the same as Fraser. This is where Howard is a bit of a standout, doesn't still crave media attention, unlike Costello who regrets shooting his feet off.
Labor have been given a good run and from the feedback I get, are finished.
Maybe Abbott will be the worste P.M Australia has ever had, but I doubt it.
I think Gillard will take that mantle for a very long time.
As I have said on numerous occassions if labor have the moral high ground and the runs on the board. Also if Tony Abbott is hated by the Australian public and the economy is in great shape, why don't Labor call an election?
I was down at the Stage Door last night and Julia was the main subject of discussion, everyone was saying how much they despised her. Funny thing was they were mainly poor people from what I could make out.

Keating would have made a great Lib, I cant believe a man of his talent and style is aligned with these losers,

Imagine Costello and Keating together.

 

[IFocus]

IFocus, the problem with Keating is he can't let go, the same as Fraser. This is where Howard is a bit of a standout, doesn't still crave media attention, unlike Costello who regrets shooting his feet off.
Labor have been given a good run and from the feedback I get, are finished.
Maybe Abbott will be the worste P.M Australia has ever had, but I doubt it.
I think Gillard will take that mantle for a very long time.
As I have said on numerous occassions if labor have the moral high ground and the runs on the board. Also if Tony Abbott is hated by the Australian public and the economy is in great shape, why don't Labor call an election?
I was down at the Stage Door last night and Julia was the main subject of discussion, everyone was saying how much they despised her. Funny thing was they were mainly poor people from what I could make out.

Keating has some thing to say that is worth listening to if you agree or not is another thing the rest are mere mortals.

 

[MrBurns]

Keating has some thing to say that is worth listening to if you agree or not is another thing the rest are mere mortals.

Though I do remember him saying when the situation called for it, 'now I'll switch to vaudeville"

So he knew how to work a crowd but I do think he was a true statesman, unlike the present offering.

 

[Julia]

IFocus, the problem with Keating is he can't let go, the same as Fraser. This is where Howard is a bit of a standout, doesn't still crave media attention, unlike Costello who regrets shooting his feet off.

Good summary. Keating and Fraser are suffering from irrelevance syndrome.
I did like Paul Keating. I arrived to live in Australia at the end of his time as PM. Found his wit undeniably attractive. He and Costello are quite similar.

 

[sptrawler]

Keating has some thing to say that is worth listening to if you agree or not is another thing the rest are mere mortals.

He was definitely sharp, brought in a lot of nation building change and should be respected for his achievements.
However, sniping from the shadow of retirement never carries the credibility and reflects badly on his legacy.
The same goes for all retired politicians, if they feel their beliefs are current and credible put themselves up for re election. Otherwise shut up and make minimal noise. and allow the combatants of the currentt debate, to get on with it.

 

[Calliope]

Good summary. Keating and Fraser are suffering from irrelevance syndrome.
I did like Paul Keating. I arrived to live in Australia at the end of his time as PM. Found his wit undeniably attractive. He and Costello are quite similar.

Keating didn't think so;

Here is Paul Keating on Peter Costello:
...slow acting dope… a guy without imagination ... a guy without courage ... a low grade performer ... such a nong ... a mouse…

Keating got that right.