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prawn_86 said:
A reported 1700 massacred in Iraq by ISIS and 49 dead in Ukraine after a military plane shot down.

More media coverage or are things really getting 'worse'?
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More media, but media only go to the stories that will sell more papers and ultimately look after themselves. Like a lot of NGOs...

This all goes back to crap Western decisions in the carve up of Africa and the Middle East post WWII, religion, unemployment, and just too many humans on the planet!

But yes, things are getting worse, IMO...
 
kennas said:
More media, but media only go to the stories that will sell more papers and ultimately look after themselves. Like a lot of NGOs...

This all goes back to crap Western decisions in the carve up of Africa and the Middle East post WWII, religion, unemployment, and just too many humans on the planet!

But yes, things are getting worse, IMO...
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I put the blame on the decision to build the Tower of Babel.
 
This all goes back to crap Western decisions in the carve up of Africa and the Middle East post WWII, religion, unemployment, and just too many humans on the planet!
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Not to mention the world wide arms trade which makes it more likely that people will kill each other to resolve their differences rather than negotiate.
 
I heard a Jordanian diplomat the other night speaking on the problems in the region.He stated that the majority of people in the Middle East blamed the US military-industrial complex with their bases and aircraft carriers in the region.Also that people thought that the region was used as testing ground for the new US weapons.The situation would be much better in the middle east if the US had never got involved he stated.
 
What a terrifying summary of what is happening around the world today.

Why in the hell people cannot live in peace and stay in their own backyards is beyond comprehension.

The killings and the total waste of money being spent on arms could have fed and clothes millions of people in poverty.

Is there a GOD????? if there is why is all this tragedy being allowed to happen?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...the-brink-of-war/story-fni0xs61-1226971975158
 
noco said:
What a terrifying summary of what is happening around the world today.

Why in the hell people cannot live in peace and stay in their own backyards is beyond comprehension.

The killings and the total waste of money being spent on arms could have fed and clothes millions of people in poverty.

Is there a GOD????? if there is why is all this tragedy being allowed to happen?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...the-brink-of-war/story-fni0xs61-1226971975158
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strangely you have no problem with the capitalist USA pretty much spending more than the rest of the world combined on it's military???
 
sydboy007 said:
strangely you have no problem with the capitalist USA pretty much spending more than the rest of the world combined on it's military???
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They are your words not mine.

Can you provide a link or some statistics on your claim that the USA is spending more than the rest of the world combined on it's military......I think you may be exaggerating a little..... don't you?

IMHO I believe the USA should have kept out of the Middle East instead of trying to preach democracy in the Islamic states.......democracy will never work in the Middle East and perhaps they may have been better off under a dictatorship.....Unfortunately, because of the fanatical status of Islam, where Shiites and Sunnis cannot agree on their political beliefs apart from their religious beliefs, they know one way only on how to speak and that is with the gun.....in consequence, many lives are lost through ethnic cleansing.

I believe if the USA had stayed in their own back yard and had let Islam sought out their own problems of various Islamic factions, we would have less terrorist operating around the world today...they would have been too busy fighting amongst themselves.
 
noco said:
I believe if the USA had stayed in their own back yard and had let Islam sought out their own problems of various Islamic factions, we would have less terrorist operating around the world today...they would have been too busy fighting amongst themselves.
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But would these factions fighting amongst themselves have kept the oil flowing?

Therein lies the problem. Natural resources are behind quite a bit of this I think. :2twocents
 
noco said:
I believe if the USA had stayed in their own back yard and had let Islam sought out their own problems of various Islamic factions, we would have less terrorist operating around the world today...they would have been too busy fighting amongst themselves.
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The problem was, the Islamic militants started playing in the U.S backyard on 9/11,
 
noco said:
They are your words not mine.

Can you provide a link or some statistics on your claim that the USA is spending more than the rest of the world combined on it's military......I think you may be exaggerating a little..... don't you?
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Exaggerated a little, but not far from the truth...its a well known fact that the US military spend is enormous in comparison to all other country's.

Ships like this are not cheap.
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Smurf1976 said:
But would these factions fighting amongst themselves have kept the oil flowing?

Therein lies the problem. Natural resources are behind quite a bit of this I think. :2twocents
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This is something I cannot quite understand.......I once read where the USA has enough oil in their own back yard to last 1000 years, so why are they so concerned about middle east oil?

Does the USA want to use up all the oil in the middle east first and later on be the major oil supplier of the world?
 
noco said:
They are your words not mine.

Can you provide a link or some statistics on your claim that the USA is spending more than the rest of the world combined on it's military......I think you may be exaggerating a little..... don't you?

IMHO I believe the USA should have kept out of the Middle East instead of trying to preach democracy in the Islamic states.......democracy will never work in the Middle East and perhaps they may have been better off under a dictatorship.....Unfortunately, because of the fanatical status of Islam, where Shiites and Sunnis cannot agree on their political beliefs apart from their religious beliefs, they know one way only on how to speak and that is with the gun.....in consequence, many lives are lost through ethnic cleansing.

I believe if the USA had stayed in their own back yard and had let Islam sought out their own problems of various Islamic factions, we would have less terrorist operating around the world today...they would have been too busy fighting amongst themselves.
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http://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.asp

the graph isn't every country, but you get the picture non the less.

Well, Australians marched against sending in troops to Iraq, yet Howard was all the way with Dubbya with troops over there. All because a few neocons just had to go and invade with no real reason. You can't even argue it was a humanitarian decision because the death rate hasn't been reduced.
 

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Malaysian passenger plane shot down over the Ukraine. 300 people suspected dead.

Unclear as to if it was Russia or Ukraine rebels with Russian technology, either way it is not good for Putin as this was meant to be an 'internal' conflict
 
Not a tipping point yet, because the world economy is, as advertised, supposedly improving. But, the debt! It will only take the economic situation to really implode that the security situation will implode. You know the potential black swans.

At the moment, the West doesn't have the appetite to challenge Russia with force. And this was not enough. If it had have been an AA flight, hmm. Even then, hmm.

In regards to the questions about Sunni v Shia and the West being a participant in that. Go back to the history books. We're just supporting whichever side is our friend of the moment. In WWII we, along with China and the Russians, fought Japan and Germany... We generally fight against common enemies in a particular phase of social and political development.

America no longer needs Middle East O&G but many more European countries do. And many more need gas from Russia.

The chess pieces keep moving around the board.

Are we watching Game of Thrones?
 
kennas said:
America no longer needs Middle East O&G but many more European countries do. And many more need gas from Russia.
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America, as in the USA, is still a major oil importer despite their own production rising in recent times. They've reduced the problem of depending on imports but they haven't eliminated it. Meanwhile rising consumption in China etc and an imminent peak of production in Russia (according to their own forecasts) mean that the likes of Saudi Arabia won't have any trouble selling as much oil as they produce.

The direction of shipping might be changing, but the world as a whole is still very much dependent on ME oil. :2twocents
 
Russia invading the Ukraine wasn't really on the radar not long ago.

Taking advantage of the West still engaged in Afghanistan and concerned about the Middle East.

Nice work Putin.
 

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