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Yes, when the Conservatives are in power they just ignore things they don't want to know about, and suffocate the activists with silence.
Agreed they're generally the ones gagged but they don't greatly lose from it.
If the debate's killed off or goes nowhere then that suits a conservative just fine.
Environmentalism is a case in point. Arguments for or against aside, a generation ago well it was whales, sand mining, uranium, dams, forests and so on and society did indeed change.
Today it's "climate change" which has gone around and around forever and isn't actually being addressed. It's just become one of those background sort of subjects that's perpetually in the news with nothing much being done about it. Environmentalism isn't what it used to be, it has been largely neutered in practice.
Point of order: This mob of petty tyrants are no conservatives, they (along with labor) are all fascists in the truest sense.the Conservatives
Yep - I'm not saying it's right but as I see it they're not losing from it. That is, they're getting the end result they want of continuing without change.Yes, when the Conservatives are in power they just ignore things they don't want to know about, and suffocate the activists with silence.
The problem is by its nature, a stock forum has a high percentage of relatively affluent or upwardly mobile individuals, so there will tend to be an elite left leaning bent to the posters.Not that I have all that much sympathy with Conservatives, but they are often the ones gagged by the progressive Left via the 'cancel culture' that has emerged against anyone that speaks out against political correctness when it contravenes the facts.
The problem is by its nature, a stock forum has a high percentage of relatively affluent or upwardly mobile individuals, so there will tend to be an elite left leaning bent to the posters.
Most right wing loonies I've met are from a disenfranchised working class background, with limited avenues for advancement, so the chances of those having representation on a stock forum is very slim.
With that in mind one has to balance the opinion on here, with an eye on the people who would be posting and with that in mind add a weighting to the "average" Australian.
Stand facing whatever screen you are reading this on.There seems to be an 'elite' Left and a 'marginalised' Left with the 'centre' ie the average salaried or wages employee sitting in the middle very confused.
Absolutely, there are the very well off, the fairly well off and the comfortable, you could also add to that those on a indexed public service pension who don't have a financial problem.Mmm. There seems to be an 'elite' Left and a 'marginalised' Left with the 'centre' ie the average salaried or wages employee sitting in the middle very confused.
Stand facing whatever screen you are reading this on.
Now turn 180 degrees to the Left and note what you see.
Turn back to look at the screen.
Now try turning 180 degrees to the Right and note what you see.
Go to the extreme Left or extreme Right and you end up in a rather similar place.
Extreme Right doesn't like foreigners, vaccination or big government.
Extreme Left doesn't like foreign ownership, chemicals or big business.
The two extremes are far more similar than either would like to admit.
The situation in Melbourne and Sydney would be extreme, high personal debt and no control over your ability to earn a wage, shocking situation and massively stressful. Been there done that.Interesting you said that. I reckon the anti lockdown protests in Melbourne contained elements of both the extreme Left and extreme Right, one wanting a lawless State, the other wanting enforcement of their own laws, united in a common anti government coalition.
Yes...Stand facing whatever screen you are reading this on.
Now turn 180 degrees to the Left and note what you see.
Turn back to look at the screen.
Now try turning 180 degrees to the Right and note what you see.
Go to the extreme Left or extreme Right and you end up in a rather similar place.
Extreme Right doesn't like foreigners, vaccination or big government.
Extreme Left doesn't like foreign ownership, chemicals or big business.
The two extremes are far more similar than either would like to admit.
Add to that the reluctance to want something injected, when your not sure about it, then being told you are going to get it whether you want it or not, so suck it up princess.
It’s the basics of communismThe situation in Melbourne and Sydney would be extreme, high personal debt and no control over your ability to earn a wage, shocking situation and massively stressful. Been there done that.
Add to that the reluctance to want something injected, when your not sure about it, then being told you are going to get it whether you want it or not, so suck it up princess.
Not a good recipe for a group sing along.
All that happened was, the authorities were looking for a scapegoat, which in the circumstances is all they could do, to defuse the situation IMO.
But we are moving away from "free speech".
The left do like foreign ownership as it was Gough Whitlam who signed Australia up to it with the Lima Declaration and started the great Australian deal offStand facing whatever screen you are reading this on.
Now turn 180 degrees to the Left and note what you see.
Turn back to look at the screen.
Now try turning 180 degrees to the Right and note what you see.
Go to the extreme Left or extreme Right and you end up in a rather similar place.
Extreme Right doesn't like foreigners, vaccination or big government.
Extreme Left doesn't like foreign ownership, chemicals or big business.
The two extremes are far more similar than either would like to admit.
The internet was not around when Marx espoused the principles of communism. Furthermore, you have confused totalitarianism with communism. Marx actually advocated a free press, arguing in 1842 that restrictions like censorship were instituted by the bourgeois elite.It’s the basics of communism
Posts about lock downs are either deleted or receive a knock on the door from the police
I suspect you know as much about the Lima Declaration as you do about communism. The Lima declaration was about increasing the share of industrial production of undeveloped nations to 25% by 2000. It had zip to do with foreign ownership, but a lot to do with "exploitation". Some 45 years later little has changed in the latter regard.The left do like foreign ownership as it was Gough Whitlam who signed Australia up to it with the Lima Declaration and started the great Australian deal off
The Lima declaration is a classic case of good intentions but lack of foresight.The Lima declaration was about increasing the share of industrial production of undeveloped nations to 25% by 2000. It had zip to do with foreign ownership, but a lot to do with "exploitation". Some 45 years later little has changed in the latter regard.
The Lima declaration is a classic case of good intentions but lack of foresight.
Turned Australia from a manufacturing nation to one that focuses on resource extraction, most notably iron ore and fossil fuels.
Undeniably good for some previously undeveloped countries.
Terribly bad for the environment. CO2 emissions would almost certainly be far lower today without it.
Australia did not act on the Lima declaration.The Lima declaration is a classic case of good intentions but lack of foresight.
Turned Australia from a manufacturing nation to one that focuses on resource extraction, most notably iron ore and fossil fuels.
Undeniably good for some previously undeveloped countries.
Terribly bad for the environment. CO2 emissions would almost certainly be far lower today without it.
Well then why sign up to it, in the first place? Just another brain fart, or a publicity stunt maybe?Australia did not act on the Lima declaration.
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