The West has lost its freedom of speech

[sptrawler]

I found her comments on the fact they also most need hugging interesting.
My oldest son is an underground electrical foreman, I always thought he is pretty full on and sets the bar pretty high.
So when he told me, the first thing he has to tell new sparkies is, this is a 24-7 operation the mine keeps moving.
That means we have to keep the communications and power up to them, therefore night shifts are the same as day shifts and secondly I'm not your Dad.
After reading Ita's comments maybe he isn't so hard ar$ed.

 

[macca]

It goes right back to their childhood and schooling.

Some parents let their kids run riot and then blow up if the kid gets hurt

For years now teachers have not corrected kids spelling, this teaches them that near enough is good enough

In the real world that is definitely dangerous and people die because of that attitude.

Blokes walking around on multi story constructions, safety harness supplied by the boss is worn but not hooked on to anything, useless!

 

[sptrawler]

It partly comes from the oldies too.

They're mostly the ones who many years ago decided that large organisations need formalised performance appraisals, effectively a forced chat between a worker and their immediate supervisor, and that casual feedback on an "as needed" basis wasn't sufficient.

If the boss is doing their job then any negative feedback required will already have been given such that the appraisal ends up as a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" praising session in practice. Unless the worker is truly terrible then the boss notes only good things about them, the worker writes something nice about their boss in return and it goes up to the next level of management who signs it.

Plenty of large organisations both private and government have some version of that system.

If the right people are in the right position, the workplace hums along, one cog out of place at any level can cause huge loss of productivity and harmony, well that's what I found over my working career.

 

[macca]

If the right people are in the right position, the workplace hums along, one cog out of place at any level can cause huge loss of productivity and harmony, well that's what I found over my working career.

One bad apple will turn the whole box, the same applies to toxic employees.

One bad employee who bludges, snipes, sucks up to weak bosses or is not safety conscious can bring the whole place down.

Usually, the worst ones know all the rules, how to stretch them and have the union delegate on speed dial

 

[sptrawler]

One bad apple will turn the whole box, the same applies to toxic employees.

One bad employee who bludges, snipes, sucks up to weak bosses or is not safety conscious can bring the whole place down.

Usually, the worst ones know all the rules, how to stretch them and have the union delegate on speed dial

I worked under a middle manager, who tried to make every safety meeting or safety issue into a stop work meeting, just a nasty piece of work.

 

[Smurf1976]

I worked under a middle manager, who tried to make every safety meeting or safety issue into a stop work meeting, just a nasty piece of work.

The other type to avoid are those who are self-proclaimed "experts" at just about everything but who in practice know nothing much about anything.

Acknowledged ignorance beats falsely claimed competence any day.

 

[sptrawler]

The other type to avoid are those who are self-proclaimed "experts" at just about everything but who in practice know nothing much about anything.

Acknowledged ignorance beats falsely claimed competence any day.

Yes everyone reaches their level of competence.
The problem is they then normaly put in for a promotion.

 

[Smurf1976]

Yes everyone reaches their level of competence.
The problem is they then normaly put in for a promotion.

The individual I had in mind when making that comment thankfully has nothing to do with the energy industry by the way.

Thankfully.

 

[basilio]

How the President of Freeest Country in the World defends Free Speech.
How many people has he tried to sue to shut them up ?

Trump's free-speech legal folly has merely emboldened his critics
Lloyd Green
The president remains as keen to sue as ever – but his attempts to intimidate his targets have proved a spectacular flop

Donald Trump always had a problem with free speech. Back in the day, he sued reporter Tim O’Brien and the New York Times for allegedly underestimating his wealth. Trump claimed that he was worth billions, but O’Brien pegged the number at no more than $250m, not shoddy but also not jaw-dropping. In the end, New Jersey’s courts tossed Trump’s libel claim, but only after the tabloid star acknowledged that his personal balance sheet was influenced by his own guesstimates.

....Suffice to say, when it comes to free speech, Trump has been inconsistent. In a recent interview with CBS, Trump made clear that the first amendment protects the display of the Confederate battle flag. He explained: “My attitude is freedom of speech. Very strong views on the Confederate flag. With me, it’s freedom of speech. Very simple. Like it, don’t like it, it’s freedom of speech.”

But with this president few things are ever that simple. And even fewer are true.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/24/trump-free-speech-michael-cohen

 

[wayneL]

All this TDS is getting boring!

Jesus get a life you guys, smell the roses, watch the pretty girls walk by!

 

[qldfrog]

All this TDS is getting boring!

Jesus get a life you guys, smell the roses, watch the pretty girls walk by!

Do not use 'Jesus', another symbol of whit male persecution
Some people here are indeed in a serious mental state.not sure how to help them.
No, Trump is not under your bed, and stop TV, get a life...

 

[basilio]

Wayne, QFrog. What an absolute and total joke..
Here we are on a Thread called (wait for it... Drum Rolls...)

............ The West has lost its Freedom of Speech

Got it ? Get it ? Good. Keep following the bouncing ball

It just happens that the bastion of the West, that absolute proponent of Free Speech. (Note attached quotes regarding the Freedom of Speech around flying the Confederate Flag ) just happens to have the longest, sorriest, most litigious history of attempting to close down anyones "Freedom of Speech"
when he is the target of their supposed Freedom.

For the record consider

1) The suing of Tim O'brien for underestimating his wealth. (Lost that one)

2) Attempting to stop his ex consigliere Michael Cohen from writing his book on the Don by throwing him back in jail. (Lost that one )

3) Trying to stop John Bolton from spilling the beans on Trumps political madness (Lost that one)

4)Trying to stop his niece Mary Trump from exposing what a lying, sociopathic piece of xshite Donald has alway been . (Court threw that one out too!!)

5) Trying to block Michael Wolff from releasing his book on the Trump maladministration. That didn't fly.

I'm positive there are a heap of other examples of the Don's determination to ensure Freedom of Speech is not meant for anyone he doesn't think should have it - particularly if it uncovers anything juicy from his grotty past.

 

[rederob]

Wayne, QFrog. What an absolute and total joke..
Here we are on a Thread called (wait for it... Drum Rolls...)

............ The West has lost its Freedom of Speech

Got it ? Get it ? Good. Keep following the bouncing ball

It just happens that the bastion of the West, that absolute proponent of Free Speech. (Note attached quotes regarding the Freedom of Speech around flying the Confederate Flag ) just happens to have the longest, sorriest, most litigious history of attempting to close down anyones "Freedom of Speech"
when he is the target of their supposed Freedom.

For the record consider

1) The suing of Tim O'brien for underestimating his wealth. (Lost that one)

2) Attempting to stop his ex consigliere Michael Cohen from writing his book on the Don by throwing him back in jail. (Lost that one )

3) Trying to stop John Bolton from spilling the beans on Trumps political madness (Lost that one)

4)Trying to stop his niece Mary Trump from exposing what a lying, sociopathic piece of xshite Donald has alway been . (Court threw that one out too!!)

5) Trying to block Michael Wolff from releasing his book on the Trump maladministration. That didn't fly.

I'm positive there are a heap of other examples of the Don's determination to ensure Freedom of Speech is not meant for anyone he doesn't think should have it - particularly if it uncovers anything juicy from his grotty past.

Wikileaks anyone?

 

[explod]

Wikileaks anyone?

Yes, locked up for revealing the truth and virtually under torture as we write.

There is no freedom of speech

 

[qldfrog]

Did you know that a reference to the "founding fathers" in an essaya in a qld university is noted as patriarchal and recommended to be changed by the lecturer.
learnt that this week from my son student there
As i do not want to risk being in front of court for naming the uni or have @Joe Blow in trouble, let's just say this uni has a very strong affinity with the CCP lately
Joe: if you think this can give you trouble, just delete
Have all a great week in the latest episode of
The island

 

[wayneL]

Wikileaks anyone?

Yes we know that if anyone p1sses off the super elite, or is seen to compromise national security, you're in deep doo-doo. It always has been that way, even with the 2nd amendment in the US.

However we are speaking about the general speech of we plebeians.

It is true that in commonwealth countries, the egregious truth is that we have no explicit constitutional right to free speech; it is rather implied and subject to interpretation.

The US has the second amendment which affords constitutional rights.

For us, this is why we have cause for concern, as even basic "rights" are under threat.

In the UK, the Met has a 900 strong squad searching for mean tweets, which may be recorded as non criminal incidences of "hate", completely at the discretion of the Old Bill, with no easy recourse or judicial oversight. Often these are very innocuous.

Oz is going the same way.

 

[basilio]

Yes we know that if anyone p1sses off the super elite, or is seen to compromise national security, you're in deep doo-doo. It always has been that way, even with the 2nd amendment in the US.

However we are speaking about the general speech of we plebeians.

It is true that in commonwealth countries, the egregious truth is that we have no explicit constitutional right to free speech; it is rather implied and subject to interpretation.

The US has the second amendment which affords constitutional rights.

For us, this is why we have cause for concern, as even basic "rights" are under threat.

In the UK, the Met has a 900 strong squad searching for mean tweets, which may be recorded as non criminal incidences of "hate", completely at the discretion of the Old Bill, with no easy recourse or judicial oversight. Often these are very innocuous.

Oz is going the same way.

Just another correction..
The UK Met does not have 900 people searching for mean tweets.
That is just another Wayne "wind it up special" . Where did it come from ? Who is trying to wind us up ? Tommy where are you..

The UK Met does have 900 officers who are..
900 specialist hate crime investigators working in our dedicated Community Safety and Safeguarding Units across London.

These officers investigate and manage specific crimes, such as domestic abuse, hate crime and honour based abuse, which often require specialist knowledge and understanding. In partnership with external agencies, we’re supporting the needs of victims, their families and their communities to make them safer and prevent re-victimisation.

It's not hard to get more accurate information.
https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/hco/hate-crime/how-to-report-hate-crime/

 

[wayneL]

Just another correction..
The UK Met does not have 900 people searching for mean tweets.
That is just another Wayne "wind it up special" . Where did it come from ? Who is trying to wind us up ? Tommy where are you..

The UK Met does have 900 officers who are..
900 specialist hate crime investigators working in our dedicated Community Safety and Safeguarding Units across London.

These officers investigate and manage specific crimes, such as domestic abuse, hate crime and honour based abuse, which often require specialist knowledge and understanding. In partnership with external agencies, we’re supporting the needs of victims, their families and their communities to make them safer and prevent re-victimisation.

It's not hard to get more accurate information.
https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/hco/hate-crime/how-to-report-hate-crime/

And the low hanging fruit is Twitter.

The record is replete with incidences of The Old Bill hassling ordinary folks having a say.

There is the euphemism, then there is the reality.

 

[rederob]

Yes we know that if anyone p1sses off the super elite, or is seen to compromise national security, you're in deep doo-doo. It always has been that way, even with the 2nd amendment in the US.

Australia has suspended its extradition treaty with Hong Kong in response to fears over a new national security law imposed by China, yet has done nothing to prevent an Australian citizen being extradited to the USA. Assange has committed no crime in the nation that holds him in jail except for protecting himself from extradition to the USA from a third country, then based on spurious charges. Wikileaks exemplified the concept of free speech and has never been shown to have breached national security, unless you abide by a government lying to the public about its actions.

 

[basilio]

And the low hanging fruit is Twitter.

The record is replete with incidences of The Old Bill hassling ordinary folks having a say.

There is the euphemism, then there is the reality.

Really Wayne ? Some of Tommys Bovver Boys been banged up for a bit of "mucking around" ? Or do they just want to make some noise about losing their "God Given Right to Say Whatever They xloody Well Want To ?"

What doesn't change is your capacity to take a very wide ranging police responsibility on dealing with hate crimes and pretending they are all out there "looking for mean tweets".