IFocus
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Nothing to do with Labor SP its to do about improving lives such a novel idea seems to be beyond most here quoting politics.
What's even more funnier, is that even though they had the rah rah session at Alice Springs, even though they have known about the concept of the voice for all this time, as I just posted from your ABC, nobody has been to see the communities yet.
Just shows how interested they really are in listening to the grass roots people, they haven't even bother their ar$e to go out and explain the voice to the communities and the politicians expect us to take it seriously even they don't.
The only ones showing any real enthusiasm on Labors behalf is @IFocus and @rederob , the minister, the department, the State Govt departments and all their employees and not one goes to the communities and explains the purpose and intent of the Voice to them.
What a fkn joke.
What will be even funnier will be if they start going out there now, it will show someone in Government reads ASF, or Rob still has a contact. ?
Just to refresh you all, the ABC posted this 14 hrs ago, so it is fairly current.
Indigenous electoral enrolment jumps in WA but opinion on the Voice remains mixed
Aboriginal leaders in the state's north say communities need more information before they cast their vote on the Voice to Parliament, as Indigenous electoral enrolment in WA increases significantly.www.abc.net.au
Let's get back to the 6 P's, pizz poor planning, pizz poor presentation, will lead to a pizz poor outcome.
Well don't you think the main targets of the proposed changes should be given a heads up?Nothing to do with Labor SP its to do about improving lives such a novel idea seems to be beyond most here quoting politics.
What was interesting about Bishops position of the Voice was her observations about the failures to close the gap after everything was tried.... except to listen to the people themselves.
This is supported by the productivity commission report showing how government has ignore advice from Aboriginals and the failures that followed but noted where advice was used programs had much higher out comes... who would have thought.
But unfortunately fear, deception, doubt and BS will win the day, politicians love useful idiots.
I for one don't think about the Referendum much, rarely discuss it with friends or family, don't follow it on X or other social media, but I thought about it tonight. So it is a means of communicating one segment of our population's, our Indigenous Cousins, and their disadvantage in a meaningful way to Parliament or Cabinet, whatever, ( just shows how much I know about it ).
It is aimed to get rid of the disadvantage.
So ... What happens when the disadvantage is gotten rid of. ? ?
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It's the same grubs from the failed ATSIC that are stepping up into the voice representatives, that's why they can't tell anyone who they'll be.What's even funnier, is that even though they had the rah rah session at Alice Springs, even though they have known about the concept of the voice for all this time, as I just posted from your ABC, nobody has been to see the communities yet.
Just shows how interested they really are in listening to the grass roots people, they haven't even bothered their ar$e to go out and explain the voice to the communities and the politicians expect us to take it seriously, obviously even they don't.
The only ones showing any real enthusiasm on Labors behalf is @IFocus and @rederob , the minister, the department, the State Govt departments and all their employees and not one goes to the communities and explains the purpose and intent of the Voice to them.
What a fkn joke.
What will be even funnier will be if they start going out there now, it will show someone in Government reads ASF, or Rob still has a contact. ?
Just to refresh you all, the ABC posted this 14 hrs ago, so it is fairly current.
Indigenous electoral enrolment jumps in WA but opinion on the Voice remains mixed
Aboriginal leaders in the state's north say communities need more information before they cast their vote on the Voice to Parliament, as Indigenous electoral enrolment in WA increases significantly.www.abc.net.au
Let's get back to the P's, pizz poor planning and pizz poor presentation, will lead to a pizz poor outcome. maybe that was the intention all along who knows.
You mean when we have a referendum that that removes references to the King.So ... What happens when the disadvantage is gotten rid of. ? ?
Luckily I know that @Joe Blow prevents multiple ids here, but but parodying @SirRumpole's wilful ignorance is not an argument.How is formal recognition in the constitution going to help bridge the gap?
But unfortunately fear, deception, doubt and BS will win the day, politicians love useful idiots.
Well don't you think the main targets of the proposed changes should be given a heads up?
Don't you realise how crazy it is, when every person in Australia has to vote on something and even those who are most affected don't know what it is they are voting on.
That's pretty bizzare.
I mean they are selling this on the fact that no one has listened to the grass roots people, and they haven't told the grass roots people. ?
That is exactly what I said, if you read back through the post, I also said how stupid is that, when those who are responsible for the Voice, haven't explained it to those it affects. It's even more stupid that no one has even made any effort to try to inform them.Come on SP there are Aboriginals out there that don't understand what the Voice is about similar to most of the commenters here difference is one lot actually have access to the information
Last poll I saw was a group of 750 people, as with any poll you can get the result you want, just poll the people who agree with you.Last poll I saw said 80% ATSI backed the Voice
What needs to happen is the Departments of aboriginal affairs all need sacking,
How would explaining 100% of the Voice affect indigenous voting when they represent 3% of the total?That is exactly what I said, if you read back through the post, I also said how stupid is that, when those who are responsible for the Voice, haven't explained it to those it affects.
Why?What needs to happen is the Departments of aboriginal affairs all need sacking, not just another group added to them, just because a brain fart comes from your best mate doesn't make it smell better IMO.
It's somewhat incidental to what's necessary for the referendum to get up. A composite view of polling to date is here. On trend the referendum has no hope of passing.Last poll I saw was a group of 750 people, as with any poll you can get the result you want, just poll the people who agree with you.
That makes no sense to anyone but yourself. ?How would explaining 100% of the Voice affect indigenous voting when they represent 3% of the total?
Did you think that one through?
As usual a public service with a myriad of excuses for complete failure to perform their function, as explained by yourself in several posts.Why?
A lot of the failure is due to continuous changes in government, policy, and funding.
Then there's the fact that ATSI issues cover many departments and 3 separate levels of government.
That's 2 brain farts from you in a row.
Because it is fundamentally flawed.It's somewhat incidental to what's necessary for the referendum to get up. A composite view of polling to date is here. On trend the referendum has no hope of passing.
Let's see:That makes no sense to anyone but yourself. ?
Did you actually read that one through.
That's the role of the electoral commission.No one who is responsible for educating the community on the voice has made the effort to reach out to the remote communities at all, if they are expected to make a valued decision on a vote that the outcome affects them, someone is responsible for that function and it has been another failure by that department.
Lets see:Let's see:
100% of indigenous = 3% of total votersTherefore 3% of all voters will lead to the referendum being passedYour maths teacher failed you.
Then is them that are a 100% failure, that just proves my point, that whoever was responsible for conveying the 'voice' to the communities has failed, as I said Sir Humphrey.That's the role of the electoral commission.
You can't answer it just like Albo, because there is no difference other than they can try to screw with the high courts. You have 8 ATIS senators and 3 MPs, what more do you want, If they don't listen there are obviously other problems. Maybe you should self reflect about the one who is telling the mistruths.Luckily I know that @Joe Blow prevents multiple ids here, but but parodying @SirRumpole's wilful ignorance is not an argument.
You could at least have a go at reading or understanding a massive amount of information that is widely available, and has occasionally been linked here. Aside from that, in this thread I have gone beyond the public info and shown how the mechanics of policy making will change.
Despite this you regurgitate a theme that has many times been covered in this thread over its almost 100 pages to date.
Have you ever watched one of those crime shows where they interrogate a suspect for an alleged offense and the suspect gives answers that are incoherent and or tries to convince the interrogators of circumstances of events because they're trying to hide the truthful events? Well, the voice comes across exactly like this to me.That makes no sense to anyone but yourself. ?
Did you actually read that one through.
No one who is responsible for educating the community on the voice has made the effort to reach out to the remote communities at all, if they are expected to make a valued decision on a vote that the outcome affects them, someone is responsible for that function and it has been another failure by that department.
As usual a public service with a myriad of excuses for complete failure to perform their function, as explained by yourself in several posts.
That's two nil.?
Because it is fundamentally flawed.
Why don't you actually read posts or, at least, go and read on the background leading up to the Voice?You can't answer it just like Albo, because there is no difference other than they can try to screw with the high courts. You have 8 ATIS senators and 3 MPs, what more do you want, If they don't listen there are obviously other problems. Maybe you should self reflect about the one who is telling the mistruths.
I'll leave this here for everyone to judge for themselves and spread the truth that the leading govt will not.
Given the topic was about the percentage of voters needed for a yes vote to pass, and had nothing to do with if anything was explained or not, I can see why your posts are a confusing mess.Lets see:
The voice affects 100% of indigenous living in remote communities, 0% have been visited and had it explained to them.
Your comprehension teacher appears lacking.
Why?Then is them that are a 100% failure, that just proves my point, that whoever was responsible for conveying the 'voice' to the communities has failed, as I said Sir Humphrey.
In the meantime we get racist tropes, lies, deception, conspiracy theories and misinformation from proponents of the no vote. So if there is a failure here it rests largely with dishonesty and feeble mindedness becoming more and more prevalent in society.
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