The Voice

[TimeISmoney]

Well my guess is the whole thing will be pulled and re written, due to W.A's new native title laws, as I said as with the E.V mileage tax, the State Government has gazzumped the Feds yet again.
With E.V's the States grabbed the fuel tax off the Feds and now with the State Native title rules, they have jumped in and taxed the land owner to pay for Aboriginal compensation which would have been the ultimate goal of the 'Voice', so now in todays paper there is talk that the Feds will have to overwrite the State ruling.
Another brain fart exploding into the atmosphere, the Feds are already in the Supreme court over the E.V mileage tax, if they don't fix it they will be in over this issue also, or lose the ability to off load the indigenous cost onto landowners.
As I said earlier McGowan has pulled off a blinder, no wonder he bailed out on a high, the Feds would have hated him IMO.


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I'd say it's vindictive labor tactics but there's no way to speed up native title claims, this is the issue for them. The Native title act has to run a course in the courts to be proven, they just don't hand the land over willy nilly, there is a whole heap of complex issues to solve in the courts before they can consider it and then you have the costs of it.

 

[sptrawler]

We both got pamphlets from Hastie (more proof that's all the Coalition do is issue pamphlets) saying the Coalition want to give Aboriginals recognition, after 10 years in power where is it.

As to what they mean maybe ask Hastie then sit back and listen to BS.

Dutton attended many briefings on the Voice he is recorded as asking no questions or requesting any changes.

Dutton needs a win and this is an easy one for him, still the radical news coming out of his old department confirms his values.

I haven't seen Hastie's pamphlet, but he must spend a lot on advertising, because he is always putting out something I never read any of it.
It's like all political advertising, one sided waffle and nonsense, it's just littering as far as I'm concerned.

I've already stated my position, the voice is an absolute waste of time, there is plenty of departments that are getting paid lots of taxpayer money to add another one is throwing good money after bad and trying to put lipstick on a pig.

The issue is money and who is going to supply it ( as usual) to fix the situation, the arc up against the W.A new cultural act indicates that, it will be defeated because as I said a long time ago, pizz poor planning and pizz poor presentation as usual.
They know what the problems are and have done for a long time, they aren't stupid, it is just who is going to foot the bill to sort it out that's where the problem lies and this massive Govt debt has brought it to a head.
All this emotional dressing up of the issue, is just exacerbating the angst and turning more and more people negative, it is becoming a huge own goal but they are too arrogant to realise it.
Personal wealth does that to politicians, they lose touch with reality and being located in Sydney/Canberra and Melbourne turbo charges that smugness.
You have just done a loop around Australia, how any indigenous issues did you see between Brisbane and Melbourne on the coast run? none would be my guess.

 

[TimeISmoney]

Where in the constitution is there recognition?

If there isn't then why?

Yes, it's not written into the constitution but If they're not recognised as the original owners how do they receive native titles and compensation in some cases? When you sell your house do they pay your neighbour?

 

[rederob]

The sticking point for me has always been the permanent enshrinement in the Constitution.

Yes, it's an overt level of racism that beggars belief.
We can't recognise first nation peoples because, well, they are not like most of us, let's face it!
How about we put the First Fleet's arrival into it instead, as most of us can relate to that.

What if we vote this thing in and in 5 years there has been no improvement in the indigenous peoples position ?

Yet another lame excuse from the no voters. What if there is an improvement?
Because you have tunnel vision you seem completely unwilling to understand that the Voice is about giving an opportunity for indigenous people to have a greater say in the policies that affect them. How this can be construed in a negative manner is morally indefensible.

Certain people have a job for life and we pay for them with nothing to show for it. That's not on.

Yet more racism shining through.
You just won the trifecta with that one.

Legislate it, and see how it goes. If it gets results fine, if not abolish it.
What's wrong with that ?

Read the background papers and you might actually learn why your regurgitated nonsense is exactly that.
Not to put too fine a point on it, If Labor legislated it in, Dutton would kill it off on a change of government. You don't have to be an intellectual giant to work out that one!
Now go back and read the first sentence of yours and you might understand why the bipartisan process of constitutional enshrinement was carried through over a decade with significant expert input input.

 

[SirRumpole]

Yet more racism shining through.

Foxtrot Oscar.

 

[IFocus]

Personal wealth does that to politicians, they lose touch with reality and being located in Sydney/Canberra and Melbourne turbo charges that smugness.
You have just done a loop around Australia, how any indigenous issues did you see between Brisbane and Melbourne on the coast run? none would be my guess.

Population density down the Eastern seaboard is extreme IMHO finding a parking spot is difficult and they are calling for higher density.

At least they can drive over there unlike WA on the Freeway homing towing, left lane a drop kick doing 90km/h varying down to 80 backup to 95 pull into right lane to pass everyone braking then speeding up 90 to 105 meanwhile had another drop kick up the clacker hanging right side trying to get pass between me and the barrier.... couldn't even if he could there was no where to go in front traffic as far as the eye could see all varying speed, then said drop kick suddenly realized he was going to miss his turn off, jumps three lanes left cutting all off gets into the exit and slows down as you know completely normal here.

As for issues concerning Aboriginals in the area you mention I don't know didn't ask I was to busy trying to find a parking spot.

 

[IFocus]

Yes, it's not written into the constitution but If they're not recognised as the original owners how do they receive native titles and compensation in some cases? When you sell your house do they pay your neighbour?

What you are mentioning is covered by laws under legislation nothing to do with constitutional recognition so I don't understand your point.

 

[wayneL]

Why do they need constitutional recognition? What does it achieve?

The government(s) have shown that the constitution is ignored when it suits them anyway.

 

[TimeISmoney]

What you are mentioning is covered by laws under legislation nothing to do with constitutional recognition so I don't understand your point.

How is formal recognition in the constitution going to help bridge the gap?

 

[wayneL]

Burney proves Albo is a liar

 

[TimeISmoney]

Burney proves Albo is a liar

Albo will be like, I knows nothing, whistle, whistle, whistle...

 

[TimeISmoney]

 

[IFocus]

Julie Bishop addressed the National Press Club today said the "Voice" was a step in the right direction...

Cue haters...

I never warmed to the woman ever still don't but interesting her views once free of the political shackles.

The Hon Julie Bishop

ANU Chancellor the Hon Julie Bishop will discuss the implications of a number of ‘megatrends’ that have important implications for Australia and the international community. These are the issues that can bring fundamental change to the economy, educational institutions, governance and our daily...

www.npc.org.au

 

[sptrawler]

Julie Bishop addressed the National Press Club today said the "Voice" was a step in the right direction...

Cue haters...

I never warmed to the woman ever still don't but interesting her views once free of the political shackles.

Some would say the same of yourself IFocus. ?

 

[sptrawler]

An article that says the grass roots are still struggling with the presentation, I mean message.
Spent many a night in the Conglomerate Hotel in Nullagine, Anton the owner was a character of sorts.

Indigenous electoral enrolment jumps in WA but opinion on the Voice remains mixed

Aboriginal leaders in the state's north say communities need more information before they cast their vote on the Voice to Parliament, as Indigenous electoral enrolment in WA increases significantly.

www.abc.net.au

Gayle Tawha lives in Nullagine, 200 kilometres north of Newman, and spends a lot of time in the Irrungadji community where she says most people do not understand what the referendum is about.

"I think that's because they aren't able to navigate the information highways that you and I can," she said.

"We've only just had free Wi-Fi available to this mob for about the last six months.

"But their Wi-Fi use is mainly for social media, keeping in touch with family, a little bit of online banking.

"It's not to inform ourselves, like you and I do to inform ourselves about what's going on in the world."
"When Labor won the election last year, I came down to the community and I said to them, 'You've got a new prime minister. There is a new government', and they said, 'Really? Is that a good one?'."

Communities are learning​

Martu elder Bruce Booth lives in the western desert and says lots of people are talking about the referendum, but do not understand how it will work.
"We need to take the word back to the remote community to understand what it means," he said.

"People in the parliament need to come out to the remote communities.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I for one don't think about the Referendum much, rarely discuss it with friends or family, don't follow it on X or other social media, but I thought about it tonight. So it is a means of communicating one segment of our population's, our Indigenous Cousins, and their disadvantage in a meaningful way to Parliament or Cabinet, whatever, ( just shows how much I know about it ).

It is aimed to get rid of the disadvantage.

So ... What happens when the disadvantage is gotten rid of. ? ?

gg

 

[IFocus]

I for one don't think about the Referendum much, rarely discuss it with friends or family, don't follow it on X or other social media, but I thought about it tonight. So it is a means of communicating one segment of our population's, our Indigenous Cousins, and their disadvantage in a meaningful way to Parliament or Cabinet, whatever, ( just shows how much I know about it ).

It is aimed to get rid of the disadvantage.

So ... What happens when the disadvantage is gotten rid of. ? ?

gg

We all hold hands and sing kumbaya, it will be generations before that happens IMHO go out into the remote communities GG its nothing like ours.

 

[IFocus]

Julie Bishop addressed the National Press Club today said the "Voice" was a step in the right direction...

Cue haters...

I never warmed to the woman ever still don't but interesting her views once free of the political shackles.

The Hon Julie Bishop

ANU Chancellor the Hon Julie Bishop will discuss the implications of a number of ‘megatrends’ that have important implications for Australia and the international community. These are the issues that can bring fundamental change to the economy, educational institutions, governance and our daily...

www.npc.org.au

What was interesting about Bishops position of the Voice was her observations about the failures to close the gap after everything was tried.... except to listen to the people themselves.

This is supported by the productivity commission report showing how government has ignore advice from Aboriginals and the failures that followed but noted where advice was used programs had much higher out comes... who would have thought.

But unfortunately fear, deception, doubt and BS will win the day, politicians love useful idiots.

 

[wayneL]

A delicious irony

 

[sptrawler]

What was interesting about Bishops position of the Voice was her observations about the failures to close the gap after everything was tried.... except to listen to the people themselves.

This is supported by the productivity commission report showing how government has ignore advice from Aboriginals and the failures that followed but noted where advice was used programs had much higher out comes... who would have thought.

But unfortunately fear, deception, doubt and BS will win the day, politicians love useful idiots.

What's even funnier, is that even though they had the rah rah session at Alice Springs, even though they have known about the concept of the voice for all this time, as I just posted from your ABC, nobody has been to see the communities yet.

Just shows how interested they really are in listening to the grass roots people, they haven't even bothered their ar$e to go out and explain the voice to the communities and the politicians expect us to take it seriously, obviously even they don't.

The only ones showing any real enthusiasm on Labors behalf is @IFocus and @rederob , the minister, the department, the State Govt departments and all their employees and not one goes to the communities and explains the purpose and intent of the Voice to them.

What a fkn joke.
What will be even funnier will be if they start going out there now, it will show someone in Government reads ASF, or Rob still has a contact. ?

Just to refresh you all, the ABC posted this 14 hrs ago, so it is fairly current.

Indigenous electoral enrolment jumps in WA but opinion on the Voice remains mixed

Aboriginal leaders in the state's north say communities need more information before they cast their vote on the Voice to Parliament, as Indigenous electoral enrolment in WA increases significantly.

www.abc.net.au

Let's get back to the P's, pizz poor planning and pizz poor presentation, will lead to a pizz poor outcome. maybe that was the intention all along who knows.