The Voice

[JohnDe]

In May 27, 1967, a proposal to change two clauses of the Australian Constitution in regard to Aboriginal people won the approval of 90.77 per cent of those who voted – the highest ever achieved in an Australian referendum.​

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….the campaigners presented their case in such a way that white Australians could feel that by voting yes they were bestowing on Aboriginal people the same rights and privileges they had and were thereby enabling them to become Australians just like them.​

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In voting yes, they were able to feel proud rather than ashamed that the changes were badly needed (though the campaigners undoubtedly raised the spectre of Australia’s reputation being tarnished if the people voted no).​

Why the Yes vote will fail (and what the government should do)

The campaign to embed an Indigenous Voice to Parliament in the constitution is in trouble because of profound changes in society.

www.afr.com

 

[IFocus]

In May 27, 1967, a proposal to change two clauses of the Australian Constitution in regard to Aboriginal people won the approval of 90.77 per cent of those who voted – the highest ever achieved in an Australian referendum.​

​

….the campaigners presented their case in such a way that white Australians could feel that by voting yes they were bestowing on Aboriginal people the same rights and privileges they had and were thereby enabling them to become Australians just like them.​

​

In voting yes, they were able to feel proud rather than ashamed that the changes were badly needed (though the campaigners undoubtedly raised the spectre of Australia’s reputation being tarnished if the people voted no).​

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Why the Yes vote will fail (and what the government should do)

The campaign to embed an Indigenous Voice to Parliament in the constitution is in trouble because of profound changes in society.

www.afr.com

That was a good read all be it at odds to the No proponents here

 

[wayneL]

That was a good read all be it at odds to the No proponents here

"albeit"

 

[SirRumpole]

That was a good read all be it at odds to the No proponents here

Not really. Equal rights is good, special treatment not so.

 

[TimeISmoney]

In May 27, 1967, a proposal to change two clauses of the Australian Constitution in regard to Aboriginal people won the approval of 90.77 per cent of those who voted – the highest ever achieved in an Australian referendum.​

​

….the campaigners presented their case in such a way that white Australians could feel that by voting yes they were bestowing on Aboriginal people the same rights and privileges they had and were thereby enabling them to become Australians just like them.​

​

In voting yes, they were able to feel proud rather than ashamed that the changes were badly needed (though the campaigners undoubtedly raised the spectre of Australia’s reputation being tarnished if the people voted no).​

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Why the Yes vote will fail (and what the government should do)

The campaign to embed an Indigenous Voice to Parliament in the constitution is in trouble because of profound changes in society.

www.afr.com

A lot of that isn't even factual, indigenous men were able to vote in most states by the mid 1800s, it was white and black women that weren't able to vote until later on.

 

[IFocus]

Not really. Equal rights is good, special treatment not so.

Rump you have to read the whole article he makes the case why it won’t get up not a case why it shouldn’t.

In looking at the 67 referendum he explains the case put up not what was actually going to happen plus the clever intended or not 2nd question.

Howard made the case for the Intervention based on sexual abuse gangs operating in communities.
Later inquiries found no evidence of such gangs it was total BS.

Basically if you want to get a result BS is required like the falsehoods surrounding the No case

 

[wayneL]

Rump you have to read the whole article he makes the case why it won’t get up not a case why it shouldn’t.

In looking at the 67 referendum he explains the case put up not what was actually going to happen plus the clever intended or not 2nd question.

Howard made the case for the Intervention based on sexual abuse gangs operating in communities.
Later inquiries found no evidence of such gangs it was total BS.

Basically if you want to get a result BS is required like the falsehoods surrounding the No case

Umm.

Well I have no idea about such "gangs" I would say probably not. But I have had two separate Aboriginal social workers as clients (and both Aboriginal women); both categorically stated child sexual abuse was rampant in their community and formed the bulk of their work. One directly involved in the care of the children (who I did actually meet).

Denial is not a good way to address these issues, my virtue signalling friend.... Meanwhile, these children continue to be damaged and develop antisocial tendencies as a result.

Happy to tell the story of the 10 yo girl I developed a friendship with and what I knew of what she endured.

No judgement, but these issues are real, bro.

 

[Knobby22]

I saw in the paper today that nearly 25% of the aboriginal people of voting age in WA, NT and Queensland aren't on the electoral role and so can't vote on this issue.

 

[SirRumpole]

Umm.

Well I have no idea about such "gangs" I would say probably not. But I have had two separate Aboriginal social workers as clients (and both Aboriginal women); both categorically stated child sexual abuse was rampant in their community and formed the bulk of their work. One directly involved in the care of the children (who I did actually meet).

Denial is not a good way to address these issues, my virtue signalling friend.... Meanwhile, these children continue to be damaged and develop antisocial tendencies as a result.

Happy to tell the story of the 10 yo girl I developed a friendship with and what I knew of what she endured.

No judgement, but these issues are real, bro.

Please tell the story. Not that this only applies to indigenous people as has been demonstrated over the years.

 

[sptrawler]

I saw in the paper today that nearly 25% of the aboriginal people of voting age in WA, NT and Queensland aren't on the electoral role and so can't vote on this issue.

I know a few people who aren't on the electoral role and they don't want to be, if they are on the electoral role and don't vote, a fine chases them around apparently. ?
Not everyone is excited about voting, as others.

 

[TimeISmoney]

Umm.

Well I have no idea about such "gangs" I would say probably not. But I have had two separate Aboriginal social workers as clients (and both Aboriginal women); both categorically stated child sexual abuse was rampant in their community and formed the bulk of their work. One directly involved in the care of the children (who I did actually meet).

Denial is not a good way to address these issues, my virtue signalling friend.... Meanwhile, these children continue to be damaged and develop antisocial tendencies as a result.

Happy to tell the story of the 10 yo girl I developed a friendship with and what I knew of what she endured.

No judgement, but these issues are real, bro.

NT is rock spider central, it has one of the highest rates of sexual assaults per capita in the whole of Australia.

I saw in the paper today that nearly 25% of the aboriginal people of voting age in WA, NT and Queensland aren't on the electoral role and so can't vote on this issue.

Probably more than that because they don't agree with colonialism, but they're only 3% of the population anyway. It's not like if they all voted yes it would make a difference.

 

[Knobby22]

I know a few people who aren't on the electoral role and they don't want to be, if they are on the electoral role and don't vote, a fine chases them around apparently. ?
Not everyone is excited about voting, as others.

I always congratulate them for making my vote worth more.?
Sad though that in the northern states, a sizeable percentage of the people affected aren't even going to vote.

 

[wayneL]

I always congratulate them for making my vote worth more.?
Sad though that in the northern states, a sizeable percentage of the people affected aren't even going to vote.

They won't be affected either way, only the "elites" may benefit.

 

[SirRumpole]

I always congratulate them for making my vote worth more.?
Sad though that in the northern states, a sizeable percentage of the people affected aren't even going to vote.

I guess that's their problem if they are so apathetic.

 

[sptrawler]

I always congratulate them for making my vote worth more.?
Sad though that in the northern states, a sizeable percentage of the people affected aren't even going to vote.

Don't get too upset about it, all the ones I know who don't vote are on welfare (the last thing they want is anyone knowing where they are). All the ones who worry about them, vote and pay taxes.
One of my relatives being a major recipient, so at least it keeps them off my back, I'm not complaining.?
Another way of looking at it, if they did vote, they would vote for more welfare, you can take that to the bank.
I've known them for a long time and they haven't changed, I've just accepted it and stopped nagging them. ?

 

[Knobby22]

Don't get too upset about it, all the ones I know who don't vote are on welfare (the last thing they want is anyone knowing where they are). All the ones who worry about them, vote and pay taxes.
One of my relatives being a major recipient, so at least it keeps them off my back, I'm not complaining.?

I only know two and they are both quite right wing. Probably would vote Liberal Democrats or Hansen if they were enrolled.
But yea, like the ones you know, the less decent types.

 

[sptrawler]

I only know two and they are both quite right wing. Probably would vote Liberal Democrats if they were enrolled.

That's a bit judgemental, if they were quite right wing, or quite left wing, they would probably vote.

Maybe they just don't agree with your leanings, so they automatically get tagged with the opposite, maybe they are just central and don't care.

 

[Knobby22]

That's a bit judgemental, if they were quite right wing, or quite left wing, they would probably vote.

Not if they're conspiracy types or lazy.

 

[sptrawler]

Not if they're conspiracy types or lazy.

I don't know any conspiracy types, only people who work and those who don't.
They all have different political leanings, the common thread between them is, not many like the Governments of either persuasion, but the more affluent the more they lean left and the less affluent the more they lean right.
Those who just get on with their lives, tend to have more to worry about than politics, is what I've noticed, so they just decide on whoever they think will give them the best deal.
That is why I said earlier in this thread that Albo has a lot of skin in the voice game, it may well backfire, saying oh well I tried might not cut it.

 

[Knobby22]

they just decide on whoever they think will give them the best deal.

So you reckon selfish people don't vote, fair enough.