The Voice

[IFocus]

You are out of touch. Look into Thorpe's family, mayo, Marcia Langton where is she sitting right now.
You have nfi who the players are.
You want to call it 'new age communism' go ahead. But don't feed me sht about it "not existing". How many outside influences have been pushed towards which community?

It's constantly blasted out on social media.
I know which racial group doesn’t fair well from that idiot Ideology in the real world.

This is separate from the voice debate. This is me disliking the current reds popping up.

Again you have NFI seriously communism is a doctrine run out of the USSR and or China to a lesser degree nothing to do with activist, progressive agitators or anyone currently in Oz.

It was about subversive action not fu(king broadcasting yourself to every security agency in the country Commo's were really nasty would eat the simpletons that call themselves RWNJ these days.

You are buying proper gander BS its embarrassing

 

[wayneL]

Again you have NFI seriously communism is a doctrine run out of the USSR and or China to a lesser degree nothing to do with activist, progressive agitators or anyone currently in Oz.

It was about subversive action not fu(king broadcasting yourself to every security agency in the country Commo's were really nasty would eat the simpletons that call themselves RWNJ these days.

You are buying proper gander BS its embarrassing

<COUGH>

Communist Party of Australia

The Communist Party of Australia believes there is a way to overcome Australia’s economic and social problems. | Find out more...

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[moXJO]

Again you have NFI seriously communism is a doctrine run out of the USSR and or China to a lesser degree nothing to do with activist, progressive agitators or anyone currently in Oz.

It was about subversive action not fu(king broadcasting yourself to every security agency in the country Commo's were really nasty would eat the simpletons that call themselves RWNJ these days.

You are buying proper gander BS its embarrassing

Rwnj used to be nazis. Things change and people bastardise ideologies.

It's not propaganda when we see these twits in positions of power and identify as "communists". All while parroting half backed theories. It's disruptive throughout society. Call them cultists if you like but they identify as commies.

My huge problem is they get friends and family into positions of power. It then once again creates a bigger divide.


Pretty sure Mabo was one as well.
You can disprove at your leisure

 

[wayneL]

Rwnj used to be nazis. Things change and people bastardise ideologies.

It's not propaganda when we see these twits in positions of power and identify as "communists". All while parroting half backed theories. It's disruptive throughout society. Call them cultists if you like but they identify as commies.

My huge problem is they get friends and family into positions of power. It then once again creates a bigger divide.


Pretty sure Mabo was one as well.
You can disprove at your leisure

Apropos: This was an interesting book back in the day...

Red Over Black by Geoff McDonald

Red Over Black Behind the Aboriginal Land Rights by Geoff McDonald Veritas Publishing Company, 1984 (eighth printing, July),ISBN 0949667501, paperback Very Good Condition, previous owners stamps to inside front cover and title page, a little edge and shelf wear, un-creased spine, minor rubbing...

www.morgansrarebooks.com

"Red Over Black is the chilling and almost unbelievable story of the Marxist manipulation of the Aboriginal 'land rights' movement, told by a man who learned of Communist strategy while in the Communist Party."

 

[IFocus]

Rwnj used to be nazis. Things change and people bastardise ideologies.

It's not propaganda when we see these twits in positions of power and identify as "communists". All while parroting half backed theories. It's disruptive throughout society. Call them cultists if you like but they identify as commies.

My huge problem is they get friends and family into positions of power. It then once again creates a bigger divide.


Pretty sure Mabo was one as well.
You can disprove at your leisure

They simply are not you can identify as cat no matter what you think you aren't its simpleton BS labeling.

Same with the Marxist labeling total BS.

Back in the day there were proper extremists in the union movement who used to play on the communist's thing they weren't and all the insiders knew it.

 

[wayneL]

The only difference @IFocus is that the communists have realised that they cannot implement their toxic ideology by revolutionary means in the West, switching to subterfuge and gradualism.

I showed you their website above (twice), and they even have a Farcebook page

https://m.facebook.com/CPAustralia

So you really can't stick your fingers in your ears and sing lalala

 

[moXJO]

They simply are not you can identify as cat no matter what you think you aren't its simpleton BS labeling.

Same with the Marxist labeling total BS.

Back in the day there were proper extremists in the union movement who used to play on the communist's thing they weren't and all the insiders knew it.

I agree.
But they bastardise ideologies these days to attract numbers and attain power. Look where things like feminism has landed. Free Speech, democracy, liberal, progressive - It's all been watered down into stupidity. Perhaps people are just more stupid and narcissistic these days.

The problem is they are radicals. I've dealt with it in my own tribe. They are often destructive, short sighted and hateful. But they worm their way into power grab the money and try and entrench themselves.

Looking through this lens of racial colour in which you unashamedly punish the whitey is disgusting behaviour.
I've noticed it in leftist "group think" and it's fcking stupid. The idea that we need to teach anyone a lesson in racism by being racist or segmentation of race through "definition" in laws is just plain dumb. I don't want any kids going through having to deal with the **** I did, or indeed many others did.

There's a reason everyone should support freedom of speech and freedom of expression. No one should be put under the boot. It's ludicrous that many that have suffered under it now want to support having it etched in law because some leftist wannk told them it's for their protection.
So long as you are not denied opportunity because of colour. Then harden up if someone calls you a name for Christ's sake.

I can't remember what I was ranting about now.... Oh yeah- New wave commies suck.

 

[Sean K]

This is the future of The Voice in Australia. They will claim priority health care. Abhorrent.

You would think this could not possibly happen. Like they did in NZ.

But, it's very, very real.

 

[wayneL]

 

[rederob]

This is the future of The Voice in Australia. They will claim priority health care. Abhorrent.

You would think this could not possibly happen. Like they did in NZ.

But, it's very, very real.

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This is a FALSE claim.
Why are there so many people putting lies into social media?

Then you have @wayneL above referencing One Nation on twitter using an "indigenous elite" to rail against indigenous elites! The saddest thing about Kerry White's talk is that it was actually acknowledging the problems that the Voice is likely to fix, but she is not bright enough to work that out.

 

[Smurf1976]

This is a FALSE claim.
Why are there so many people putting lies into social media?

I don't know the truth but the claim about NZ has also been reported by the ABC and News Corp publications so it's mainstream media not just social media saying it.

 

[farmerge]

Yes, so let's just put on a 'rental tax' on every home owner in the country. That would go down well with the electorate wouldn't it ?

Thankyou, but no thanks, paying more than enough taxes as it is.

 

[farmerge]

This is a FALSE claim.
Why are there so many people putting lies into social media?

Then you have @wayneL above referencing One Nation on twitter using an "indigenous elite" to rail against indigenous elites! The saddest thing about Kerry White's talk is that it was actually acknowledging the problems that the Voice is likely to fix, but she is not bright enough to work that out.

I have no problem with indigenous inhabitants living outside of the mertopolitan aras making a verified claim.
My issue is with the townies who think they are still living on ancestrial lands, and haven't been near any of it ever.

 

[SirRumpole]

In New Zealand, the emergence of Maori retribalization in the 1980s within the wider context of the Maori cultural revival, biculturalism, and the Treaty of Waitangi historical grievance settlements has produced policies and practices in the health sector that classify the Maori section of the population as a discrete ethnic or racial category (McCreanor and Nairn, 2002, U272). This article argues that the ethnic categorization process can be understood as a political construct in Treaty politics. Those politics are based on a post-1987 interpretation of the Treaty as an ongoing political “partnership” between the incorporated tribes and the government (referred to in the Treaty political discourse as the “Crown”) (Te Puni Kokiri Ministry of Maori Development, 2001). According to the Ministry’s interpretation, Maori low health status (Ministry of Health, 2013) is caused by an unequal power relationship between Maori and non-Maori that has its origins in the British colonization of New Zealand dating to the 1840 Treaty (Bishop and Berryman, 2006). The solution to the colonially imposed inequality and the resulting disadvantage is believed to be found in varying degrees of tribal self-determination. This political solution includes the provision of separate health care policies and practices by tribal and other Maori groups, the most recent of which is the policy, a major government health and social initiative resulting from the Maori Party’s 2008–11 coalition agreement with the governing National Party.

Ethnic Classification in the New Zealand Health Care System - PMC

The ethnic or “racial” classification of Maori and non-Maori is a pivotal feature of New Zealand’s health system and affects government policy and professional practice within the context of Treaty of Waitangi “partnership” politics. Although ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Whānau Ora​

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Whānau Ora (Māori for "healthy families") is a major contemporary indigenous health initiative in New Zealand, driven by Māori cultural values. Its core goal is to empower communities and extended families (whānau) to support families within the community context rather than individuals within an institutional context.

History and objectives[edit]​

Whānau Ora evolved out of the coalition between the National and Māori parties after the 2008 general election[1][2] and became a cornerstone of the coalition agreement between them after the 2011 general election.[3][4] Te Puni Kōkiri (the Ministry for Māori Development) stated in 2011 that:
Whānau Ora is an inclusive approach to providing services and opportunities to whānau across New Zealand. It empowers whānau as a whole, rather than focusing separately on individual whānau members and their problems.[5]
Prior to the health initiative, Whānau Ora was the name of the Māori health awards.[6]

Criticism[edit]​

The programme has been criticised for having hard to define and impossible to measure specific outputs;[7][8][9] as well as a disproportionate amount of funding being spent in Turia's electorate.[10] MP Winston Peters has been a vocal opponent of the program.[10][11] The longest-established national Māori health organisation, the Māori Women's Welfare League choose not to participate in Whānau Ora, but some regional leaders are involved. The League operates a parenting skills course called Whanau Toko i te Ora, which is unrelated to Whānau Ora.[12]

Ministerial oversight[edit]​

Between April 2010 and September 2014, Māori Party co-leader Tariana Turia served as Minister for Whānau Ora.[13][14][15] Between September 2014 and October 2017, the portfolio for Whānau Ora was occupied by Māori Party co-leader Te Ururoa Flavell.[16] Following the 2017 election, the Labour MP Peeni Henare assumed the position of Minister for Whānau Ora.[17]

Whānau Ora - Wikipedia

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The above indicates that NZ does have race based policies on health which I'm sure The Voice would like to copy at a cost to the Australian taxpayer.

 

[rederob]

I don't know the truth but the claim about NZ has also been reported by the ABC and News Corp publications so it's mainstream media not just social media saying it.

@Sean K's comment was about the future of the Voice and was an outright lie.
The Voice has nothing to do with what goes on in NZ, and posters here who support the "no" vote continue to indulge in misinformation, lies and distraction.

@farmerge - If you are talking about land claims then that issue was enshrined in legislation after Mabo. There are no instances of suburban landowners losing their properties and there can be none as Mabo has a a high bar for indigenous claims to jump.

 

[rederob]

The above indicates that NZ does have race based policies on health which I'm sure The Voice would like to copy at a cost to the Australian taxpayer.

You continue to confuse the issue of equity with race.
Using your logic people with disabilities would be classified as a "race".
Closing the Gap aims to achieve the same successes for both ATSI and non-ATSI peoples in health and many other areas of social welfare.

 

[IFocus]

This is the future of The Voice in Australia. They will claim priority health care. Abhorrent.

You would think this could not possibly happen. Like they did in NZ.

But, it's very, very real.

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Sigh ….

 

[SirRumpole]

You continue to confuse the issue of equity with race.
Using your logic people with disabilities would be classified as a "race".
Closing the Gap aims to achieve the same successes for both ATSI and non-ATSI peoples in health and many other areas of social welfare.

Well rob, if you want to solve a problem you have to make sure you are solving the right problem.

If we blindly assume that indigenous health issues are caused by colonisation (as the New Zealanders do), then that could well be a wrong assumption if you believe the following article.

Life and Death in Pre-Contact Aboriginal Australia – Quadrant Online

quadrant.org.au

If what is said here is correct, then indigenous people are vastly better off in post colonial times than they were before the white man arrived, so going back to traditional behaviours if that's what they want is likely to be detrimental to them.

 

[moXJO]

This is the future of The Voice in Australia. They will claim priority health care. Abhorrent.

You would think this could not possibly happen. Like they did in NZ.

But, it's very, very real.

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It's kind of a "part truth". But it is an election year.

There are currently algorithms that work out things on a few metrics.
First off: those that are the sickest or most in need get treated first.
But I believe this is where "good intentions" can come off the rails.

The argument is that Maori life expectancy and indeed treatment by nz healthcare has been lacking. As an example less medication is prescribed if you are a darker. There are deep systemic biases which I've encountered personally.
So those that chose to include this in the algorithm was to actually make it fairer and more balanced for the whole population.
So you want everyone treated the same then start treating aboriginals the same. Give them the same level of medical care, because I can assure you they are not receiving it.

That seems to be the current leftist way of thinking for race based policy on a range of issues.

I'm not for race based policy. But ask yourself if you supported alcohol bans for certain communities (I know it's not as cut and dry on the issue). Are you happily willing to oppress with unfair laws for one thing because it may help the community. But when it goes the other way and you get inconvenienced but it helps life expectancy of their group you are up in arms?

It's a difficult conversation. I don't support race based policy and neither do a lot of Maori. We are very aware when we are just being used as a political tool.
Realistically what's the metrics for being a Maori according to the algorithm?

Like I said "Good intentions" and they probably make sense to those who are desperately trying to help the situation. But it's sht optics.

 

[sptrawler]

Well even the left wing channel 10 project couldn't help Albo explain the voice, maybe some of the ASF members who have a better handle on it could send in an explanation, obviously the project compere has trouble understanding it also, otherwise he would give Albo leading questions.

Anthony Albanese struggles to answer questions about the Voice

Anthony Albanese has struggled to directly answer a series of simple questions about the Voice to Parliament during an appearance on The Project.

www.dailymail.co.uk