The Voice

[SirRumpole]

Then a no vote achieves what I said and you confine ATSI people to their present disadvantage, as without the Constitutional change you get the status quo.

There is nothing to stop governments listening now.

The opinions of all stakeholders should be considered when making decisions.

That's called democracy.

 

[IFocus]

This is the totality of the Left's argument. To emotionally blackmail people to vote yes because of past 'horrors' committed 3 to 4 generations ago. What horrors are being committed now? Maybe over $30b to ATSI every year is horrifying.

Not at all just throwing it out there Rob has put an extensive considered commentary reflective of the position for the yes position from both sides of the political divide containing none of what you say.

The no vote so far has run fear and false claims of what will happen totally against any intensions shared so far.

 

[macca]

You heard what Marcia Langton said ?

Court cases if The Voice hasn't spoken and been heard.

Sort of refutes what you have been saying about the Voice having no power.

To me it seems to give the Voice a Veto on all amendments or new laws.

It does raise the point that it will require legal minds to explain to the Voice Board just what any proposed legislation will actually do.

To read a 400 page amendment, digest it, then explain to lay people could take months if not years.

The Voice lawyers will love it $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[rederob]

There is nothing to stop governments listening now.

The opinions of all stakeholders should be considered when making decisions.

That's called democracy.

You will never work it out @SirRumpole.
The issue is actually getting the right advice from the right people and acting on it in accordance with cultural needs.
In the case of ATSI it has been a failure of the type of democracy you are talking about.
But go ahead and remain the ignorant person you have shown yourself to be in this matter.

 

[rederob]

To me it seems to give the Voice a Veto on all amendments or new laws.

Except it cannot do this, so you are mistaken

It does raise the point that it will require legal minds to explain to the Voice Board just what any proposed legislation will actually do.

No it does not, as the SG explained those matters the other day.

To read a 400 page amendment, digest it, then explain to lay people could take months if not years.

It's a few sentences. Recognition plus a Voice.
If you read that, then you vote accordingly.

The Voice lawyers will love it $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

There's no such thing!

This thread is proof positive of the sheer ignorance that remains about the Voice, and gets spread in social media.

 

[DaveTrade]

This thread is proof positive of the sheer ignorance that remains about the Voice, and gets spread in social media.

@rederob this also applies to you because you are also ignoring some good points made by people on this thread.

 

[rederob]

@rederob this also applies to you because you are also ignoring some good points made by people on this thread.

How about you provide one as I have seen none from the no voters that are relevant to the Voice.

 

[mullokintyre]

Hmm, once again it looks like a lot of white faces to me.
mick

 

[wayneL]

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Hmm, once again it looks like a lot of white faces to me.
mick

Humans respond to incentives (it's just the way we are) and I also find this curious. What is the incentive for a bunch of white commies to be pushing this?

 

[IFocus]

Message to SP all the Aboriginal guys that worked for SECWA in our day in Carnarvon (our age) are sadly all gone!

They looked after me back in the day.

 

[JohnDe]

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“What I do think people need to remember with the voice is that a vote for yes and a vote for no can both be good things, ... “I’m leaving it to the people who actually know their crap to give advice on it. But what I do think is lost in the conversation is the fact that it’s not binary.”​

‘Tough’: ABC TV host Tony Armstrong reveals unexpected views on the voice referendum
One of the best-loved faces on Australian television has weighed in on the voice referendum debate, sharing some surprising views.

Popular ABC host Tony Armstrong has shared some unexpected thoughts on the voice as Aussies prepare for the first referendum in almost a quarter of a century.

Later this year, the nation will head to the polls to decide whether or not to change the

Australian constitution to enshrine a permanent Indigenous voice to parliament.

If the referendum passes, a federal advisory body will be formed with the purpose of recognising and representing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, and consulting with the government.

Speaking with Stellar editor-in-chief and Something To Talk About podcast host Sarrah Le Marquand, Armstrong – who is regularly and affectionately referred to as “Australia’s boyfriend” – revealed a major issue with the looming vote.

“What I do think people need to remember with the voice is that a vote for yes and a vote for no can both be good things,” Armstrong, who is Indigenous, said.

“It’s not a binary thing here, we aren’t in a world where no is bad and yes is good.

“What this is asking is about, particularly Aboriginal people, who I think should be the ones talking the most about this – this is about what is best for Aboriginal people. And I don’t know diddly squat.

“I’m leaving it to the people who actually know their c**p to give advice on it. But what I do think is lost in the conversation is the fact that it’s not binary.

“I guess the irony, regardless of whichever way it goes, the irony will be, it’s not necessarily going to be the black fellas whose vote makes a difference.”

The ABC News Breakfast host and Logie winner said he wasn’t sure if the referendum would pass or not, but stressed that either way, the ultimate result would be “far more nuanced, and far more complex” than simply good or bad.

The 33-year-old also opened up about how “tough” it was dealing with the pressure of being expected to “step up” and speak out on Indigenous issues, and the fact that any “stuff up” by an Indigenous person didn’t just reflect on them personally, but on their “whole people”.

“I know that … most of us, just about all of us would love to be able to strike, you know, ‘Indigenous’ from before our name when we’re talking about whatever it is that we might be doing … And I guess, the other side of that coin is, we’ll keep stepping up because we have to, because we do feel that responsibility,” the former AFL player said.

“But I mean, it’s just an added load. And, you know, I guess to be a black fella, is to be political, whether you like it or not … And that’s tough.

“It’d be nice to just be able to worry about your job and then not have the extra stress.”

Armstrong’s comments come as the debate over the voice grows increasingly ugly.

Last week, as part of a submission by Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus to the parliamentary inquiry on the referendum, the Solicitor-General’s opinion – dated April 19 – says the proposed voice would not “fetter or impede the exercise of the existing powers of the parliament”.

For months, the Opposition has been calling on the Government to release the advice – but upon its release, the Opposition claimed it was not the same as the formal advice given to Cabinet before the final proposed amendment was announced by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese.

Shadow Attorney-General Michaelia Cash said not releasing the full advice the Opposition had been repeatedly calling for was “a cynical political tactic to confuse Australians”.

“The failure to release all of the Solicitor-General’s advice in relation to this matter yet again highlights the lack of transparency of the Albanese Government regarding their Canberra voice proposal,” she said in a statement.

But Mr Albanese said the release would put to bed the “absolute nonsense” claims of Opposition leader Peter Dutton and Barnaby Joyce.

“All the nonsense that they have carried on with, saying that somehow recognising Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in the constitution will lead to Anzac Day being abolished, it is complete nonsense,” he said.

“They are just determined to play politics with this.

“This is legally sound, and that is what the Solicitor-General’s advice, that is clear before the committee, has submitted.”

 

[SirRumpole]

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“What I do think people need to remember with the voice is that a vote for yes and a vote for no can both be good things, ... “I’m leaving it to the people who actually know their crap to give advice on it. But what I do think is lost in the conversation is the fact that it’s not binary.”​

I got the feeling that the woke ABC was setting TA up as a spokesman for the indigenous cause, something he doesn't appear to relish.

'Best loved faces on Australian TV' ? In whose opinion ?

 

[sptrawler]

I got the feeling that the woke ABC was setting TA up as a spokesman for the indigenous cause, something he doesn't appear to relish.

'Best loved faces on Australian TV' ? In whose opinion ?

I was wondering if it wouldn't be appropriate and a nice gesture at the end of the acknowledgement of country recital, if they shouldn't make a special mention for the current people who are selflessly supplying welfare,that helps maintain this great country and our lifestyle?

Seems like a good idea to me, we recognise the first people as being here, why not recognise the contribution the current and past people have put in also, after all it is about closing the gap, inclusiveness and making a one Australia.
Isn't it?

 

[SirRumpole]

I was wondering if it wouldn't be appropriate and a nice gesture at the end of the acknowledgement of country recital, if they shouldn't make a special mention for the current people who are selflessly supplying welfare,that helps maintain this great country and our lifestyle?

Seems like a good idea to me, we recognise the first people as being here, why not recognise the contribution the current and past people have put in also, after all it is about closing the gap, inclusiveness and making a one Australia.
Isn't it?

Yes, there is a lot of difference between slaving your guts out for your own patch of dirt and just walking in to a vacant property and taking it over.

 

[IFocus]

I was wondering if it wouldn't be appropriate and a nice gesture at the end of the acknowledgement of country recital, if they shouldn't make a special mention for the current people who are selflessly supplying welfare,that helps maintain this great country and our lifestyle?

Seems like a good idea to me, we recognise the first people as being here, why not recognise the contribution the current and past people have put in also, after all it is about closing the gap, inclusiveness and making a one Australia.
Isn't it?

Did some one talk about being on the gear...

Been travelling the NW and into the Kimberley you need to get out more a lot has changed and not for the better.

 

[sptrawler]

Been travelling the NW and into the Kimberley you need to get out more a lot has changed and not for the better.

it's great to see you have gone to experience it first hand.
Maybe head through Katherine, down to Alice and come back through the great central road, that will really give you a taste of reality.
Spend a couple of days in Docker River.
Very similar distance to travel, but much more interesting.

 

[sptrawler]

By the way @IFocus I was in the Kimberly last year, still have a few mates up there, but they are getting on.
Check out Wolf Creek crater and palm Springs near Halls Creek, well worth a visit and the grotto on the road up to Wyndham

 

[IFocus]

it's great to see you have gone to experience it first hand.
Maybe head through Katherine, down to Alice and come back through the great central road, that will really give you a taste of reality.
Spend a couple of days in Docker River.
Very similar distance to travel, but much more interesting.

Carnarvon was an eye opener hasn't got much better in the Kimberley's

 

[sptrawler]

Carnarvon was an eye opener hasn't got much better in the Kimberley's

It gets worse when you head down to Alice, but it is still a great experience, especially the great central road.

 

[IFocus]

It gets worse when you head down to Alice, but it is still a great experience, especially the great central road.

Currently in Broome drinking Guinness surrounded by about 30 Rainbow Bee Eaters swirling around me perfect combination