The Voice

[SirRumpole]

So back to the question, how does passing the Voice change anything in this case?

If it doesn't change anything, why do it ?

 

[Knobby22]

If it doesn't change anything, why do it ?

3 good reasons- refer above.

 

[wayneL]

Well i agree with you, but with the meeting of minds how do you do it if you don't do this?
This was the big agreement from all the tribes together and if we ignore it then where do we go next? It seems pretty low end to me.
Price has done well but who does she really speak for?

I have followed Jacinta for at least 10 years, well before she was involved in politics. I believe she just speaks for humanity in that we must all get on together whether indigenous, European, Asian, or whatever. In other word, it is counterproductive for her own people to keep creating division.

As far as meeting of minds? In my personal experience it is about having discussions with mutual goodwill; which I have had with a fair few individuals with varying degrees of success over the last 43 years. (Mostly positive)

ETA, autocorrect is evil

 

[Knobby22]

I have followed to centre for at least 10 years, well before she was involved in politics. I believe she just speaks for humanity in that we must all get on together whether indigenous, European, Asian, or whatever. In other word, it is counterproductive for her own people to keep creating division.

As far as meeting of minds? In my personal experience it is about having discussions with mutual goodwill; which I have had with a fair few individuals with varying degrees of success over the last 43 years. (Mostly positive

Gina Reinhardt is her sponsor.
You would be surprised what she gets up within the Libs to but I don't want to be sued. And I am not saying she is a bad person, just that Price knows who keeps her bread buttered.

Gina Rinehart sneaks into parliament for conservative senator’s debut

Australia’s richest woman flew all the way to Canberra to hear from one of the Senate’s new conservative voices

www.smh.com.au

 

[wayneL]

Gina Reinhardt is her sponsor.
You would be surprised what she gets up within the Libs to but I don't want to be sued.

Gina Rinehart sneaks into parliament for conservative senator’s debut

Australia’s richest woman flew all the way to Canberra to hear from one of the Senate’s new conservative voices

www.smh.com.au

So....?

 

[Knobby22]

So....?

So its not the aboriginal communities.

 

[wayneL]

So its not the aboriginal communities.

So Jacinta doesn't represent any Aboriginal communities?

 

[Knobby22]

So Jacinta doesn't represent any Aboriginal communities?

Well you could argue. Lydia's extremist mob but I don't think so.
She is part of a certain community and there may be a very few who agree. She knows who butters her bread and who will look after her career. Every party needs a token member.

Jacinta Price doesn’t speak for my people – and her stance shows why Australia needs the Indigenous voice

The ignorance expressed about the voice is only surpassed by the lack of knowledge about the rigorous process that led...

www.clc.org.au

 

[wayneL]

Here is a further question:

Do you think that there is any circumstance where the likes of Lydia Thorpe, Noel Pearson,Marcia Langdon etcetera, will ever deign to be reconciled with white Australia?

I don't, their raison d'etre relies on conflict and villianising White Australia. It wouldn't matter if there was constitutional change, a treaty, or even a complete transfer of sovereignty to the indigenous. These people will never be satisfied, because their income depends on it.

What would Lidia Thorpe do if she isn't calling white people racists and colonists? She has absolutely nothing else to offer.

And just to balance things up, there are plenty of those types of people in the white community whose self-interest dictates that they promulgate division.

These are the grifters in our society who had add notjing to production, but who are responsible for our eventual demise.

One should think about how they are individually facilitating this demise.

 

[wayneL]

Well you could argue. Lydia's extremist mob but I don't think so.
She is part of a certain community and there may be a very few who agree. She knows who butters her bread and who will look after her career. Every party needs a token member.

Jacinta Price doesn’t speak for my people – and her stance shows why Australia needs the Indigenous voice

The ignorance expressed about the voice is only surpassed by the lack of knowledge about the rigorous process that led...

www.clc.org.au

Let's not quote propaganda. Your original thought only please.

 

[Knobby22]

Let's not quote propaganda. Your original thought only please.

That's from the Land council.
She is sponsored by Gina and is a creature of Newscorp.
If she was sponsored by some lefty and a creature of the Guardian, where would her true loyalty be? Same story.

She is the token aboriginal and she is worth a fortune to the powers that be.

 

[wayneL]

That's from the Land council.
She is sponsored by Gina and is a creature of Newscorp.
If she was sponsored by some lefty and a creature of the Guardian, where would her true loyalty be? Same story.

She is the token aboriginal and she is worth a fortune to the powers that be.

Token Aboriginal... Wow.

Some self analysis in order there, bro.

 

[wayneL]

@IFocus
@Knobby22

Peas in a pod

 

[Knobby22]

Token Aboriginal... Wow.

Some self analysis in order there, bro.

Well in an argument you have to refute it. Do you think she speaks for them? if so why?

 

[wayneL]

Well in an argument you have to refute it. Do you think she speaks for them? if so why?

OMG!

Refute what? Mudslinging?

My above comments stand even more so.

 

[Knobby22]

OMG!

Refute what? Mudslinging?

My above comments stand even more so.

Well I rest my case, your honour.

 

[sptrawler]

A tried and true tactic, demonise to try to discredit those that don't agree with you. It is becoming a very unattractive Australian trait these days IMO.

 

[wayneL]

Well I rest my case, your honour.

So do I. Case closed.

At various times I have probably stood within a metre of marxists, communists, Nazis, libertarians anarchists, Satanists, nihilists, etc.

Therefore I must be all of those things concurrently. Have you even considered how absolutely unintelligent your post above is?

Wow! Just farkin astonished at the subterranean level of your argument here.

 

[rederob]

The main problem as I see it is that there are so many tribes that's it's impossible for one body to represent them all.

You still have not worked out how the Voice works.
Do yourself a favour and read about it because your wilful ignorance is pathetic.
A grass roots response from a particular mob can be actioned by a national voice. In other words every mob that has different needs gets the chance to have them catered for by a national body that puts them into a perspective that the government is unlikely to brush off.

An example...
The government wants to put in a hydro power station at Point A.
The tribe that once roamed Point A says the land is culturally significant to them and they don't want a hydro power station on "their" land.
The government then proposes Point B.
The tribe that once roamed Point B says the land is culturally significant to them and they don't want a hydro power station on "their" land.
Rinse, repeat. How long can these projects be delayed ? As long as there is some tribe that objects to them.

For the umteenth time, this has nothing to do with the Voice.
You still don't understand that existing land right legislation covers such matters!

 

[SirRumpole]

So how much legislation relating to ATSI people is introduced per year ?

We will have a costly committee sitting around permanently twiddling their thumbs for maybe a couple of things of relevance to them coming up every once in a while.