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The Voice

Noel Pearson breaks silence on Indigenous voice referendum on stage with Stan Grant at Woodford

The Cape York leader made his comments after Anthony Albanese excluded the referendum defeat from his wrap of the events of 2023 then described the referendum defeat as no loss to him.
“Oh, no, no, no, no, very important to call that out. I am not Indigenous so it wasn’t a loss to me,” the Labor leader said.

 
Question.
Why is the infrastructure in such poor condition?
Why is the electricty sytem not working properly?
Is it because a minor fault or malfunction then become a major problem.?
Care and maintenance not rocket science.
Is it because the Cargo Cult so strongly exists in these areas?
 
I'm not so sure that it's such a bad idea. Clearly they don't really respect whitefella law, but I would worry for the women and children.
 
There are huge problems brewing in W.A, since cancelling the welfare card, they have had to introduce more and more restrictive alcohol sales rules.
It is becoming more oppressive than the welfare card, the welfare card limited how much cash could be taken out so that food and groceries were the major component.
Now it is like my childhood, Dad had the money and Dad spent it as he saw fit, which was usually on booze.
I did a paper round like VC, but my earnings went to mum to feed us.

 
Just my dumb viewbut i eckon all those on centrelink payments sgould have the Welfare Card, colour or creed does not come into it. And if having the said card upsets their dignity then so what, too bad. Go and get a paid job
 
Just my dumb viewbut i eckon all those on centrelink payments sgould have the Welfare Card, colour or creed does not come into it. And if having the said card upsets their dignity then so what, too bad. Go and get a paid job
There is a logical sense to that, but the issue becomes those on welfare deserve respect as to how they are given and spend their money, the problem is those who have to supply the money aren't given any respect, for having an expectation it is spent in a responsible manner.

Again just another one of the nails in the middle class coffin, the hamsters in the wheel that supply the grunt and receive the least respect IMO.

Everyone is desperately worried about the climate, the flag, those in detention, we never run out of worthy causes, those are valid concerns.

But so is the goal of owning a house that encourages the renter who goes to work every day, in the hope they can pay their rent and save enough to buy their house, while paying the tax to support the causes greater than theirs.

Therein lies the conundrum that Australia has, we are giving ourselves to death, it will take some time before it implodes but I have no doubt it will implode.
 
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There are huge problems brewing in W.A, since cancelling the welfare card, they have had to introduce more and more restrictive alcohol sales rules.

I'm torn over this. On the one hand I can understand cancelling the welfare card. I know how I would feel if someone considered I was incapable of dealing with my funds in a responsible manner. It'd get right up my nose.

On the other, the funds being spent that way isn't good either. And I don't think you can adopt one approach for an individual and a different approach to another. Especially if they are in the same rural community.

I am really lost for an answer on this one.
 
IMO every normal Australian feels that way and I agree 100%, but as the economy tightens and rent and house prices increase, the advantage of worker decreases.
I have two children who are both tradespeople in the same trade, one lives on welfare and one works full time, I know which one is less stressed and it has made my outlook change a lot.
I'm not being judgemental, 20 years ago I was and it caused a huge amount of friction, now I just observe the outcomes and go hmmmm, interesting as I watch their lives unfold.

Getting back to the alcohol bans, you can't make it discriminatory, so therefore what goes for one, goes for all.

That causes its own problems and creates more discontent among those doing the right thing, having to be again penalised to provide for those who have a drinking problem.

Like I said we are being so likeable and inclusive, we will cause our own catastrophe.
Just let a cult run the country, they usually love everyone, until it turns to $hit.
Hang on, that's how we run at the moment.
What would Sir Humphrey say? "Minister check the vote ometer".
 
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Back in the old days when I lived in the USA, it was food stamps. It seemed to work quite well. IIRC
 
That causes its own problems and creates more discontent among those doing the right thing, having to be again penalised to provide for those who have a drinking problem.

The restrictions are generally 1 carton a day or equivalent for locals and tourists get more so it's not really a big deal unless you need to stock up.

The restricted drinker list is more problematic for outlets refusing people on the list alcohol... that's when the fight started.
 
The problem with restrictions, it can end up with the Indigenous getting ripped of by certain individuals, exploiting the aboriginals.
I saw that in the 80's at Nullagine. If you restrict something, someone will find a way of circumventing it, prohibition proved that.
I still think the welfare card is the best answer, and put it in the wives name, not the husbands. Unfortunately as usual it has all become tribal politics, rather than addressing the underlying issue.
 
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I agree it's a good idea, but there will be the inevitable complaints about "second class citizens" etc which has spooked the government into cancelling it.
It is about time the Government actually tried to do what's best for those who are dependant on welfare, rather than being told what's best for those on welfare.

It is no different to the NDIS, unless the Govt takes an active roll in regulating how the money is spent, those exploiting it will just keep thinking up ways of increasing it.

The Government has no trouble demanding that the rental bond, is kept in the Govt bond management account and the Govt uses the interest to run the tenancy tribunal.

They should also pay the rent direct to the landlord, the benefit would be three fold, one the amount of tenancy disputes over rent would halve and two the landlord scamming tenants would stop and three landlords upping the rent unreasonably could be curtailed.

Welfare isn't welfare if it isn't effective and if it was effective the requirement to constantly be excusing the useless welfare system wouldn't be required.

At the end of the day what is the difference between a welfare card that only allows 20% of the money to be spent on grog, or telling people they are limited on how much grog they can buy FFS.

At least with the welfare card, they have a way of gaining some idea where the money is being spent.
After all it is like the NDIS, someone is still going to work everyday to pay for it and the Government is jumping on the exploitation of the NDIS, what's the difference?.

The Banks were in the $hit, for giving money to people who were spending it irresponsibly, but it is o.k for the Government to do it, like I said I grew up in a family where the strongest controlled the cash it wasn't nice.
 
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The end of Australia day celebrations?

With all the VOICE proponents from Governments, Councils to large businesses continuing to ignore the referendum results, it appears that change will be introduced by stealth.

Woolworths and Aldi refusing to sell foreign made Australia memorabilia doesn't concern me, we all have a choice of where we shop and what we buy. I for one try and avoid any shop that sells Hot Cross buns during any time of the year except for the Easter week.

I am more concerned that managers (CEO) of extremely powerful companies are implementing their personal beliefs through company policy for a business that they do not own, without consultation of owners or customers.

Having Australia Day changed to Federation Day, if the majority of Australian's want it, would not bother me. In the state I grew up in we did not celebrate Australia Day until the late 80's. There was no public holiday for it until the early 1990's. Though I do remember the celebrations when we won the America's Cup, and many students with Australia flags at my high school.

Woolworths has lost my business, not because of their Australia Day decision but because of how their management have taken it upon themselves to spend other people's money on political believes.

 
I have sat on our local Australia Day organising commiteee for a number of years.
We have usually have a free breakfast, sometimes a citizenship ceremony, guest speaker is usually an ex resident of the town who has made the big time (relatively speaking), and big announcement of our local citizen of the year, junior citizen, sportsperson of the year etc.
In the past, all the local towns within the shire get a grant from the local council to conduct these days, but for reasons that the council are unable or unwilling to admit to, will no longer fund the Australia Day celebrations.
Created a lot of angst, among the locals that may see a few councillors looking for a new gravy train next election.
We have a whole week of Rainbow stuff for the LGBTQ+ community, Naidoc week, reconciliation week, and a disability day.
but we can't have Australia day.
Mick
 
@mullokintyre Absoluely pathetic when you compare the other stuff to Australia day I feel.
 
i attended the local Australia day function this morning, where around 300 people turned up for the award ceremony.
Three of our local councillors turned up to get their picture in the paper with the award winners.
All three voted to not celebrate or mention Australia Day on January 25th, a fact that was pointed out by the chairmans opening remarks.
The recipient of our towns Australia Day Citizen of the year award had spent her entire life volunteering for numerous community organisations and spots clubs. never got paid a cent, and spent a lot of her own money just to keep some thkings afloat.
An exceptionally humble woman who was surprised that people thought she was some sort of hero, when she said her life had been surrounded by similar minded people who gave so much to the community.
Its highly unlikely she will get an OAM, much less a Companion of the Order.
the four persons awarded Companion of the Order of Australia are all highly paid eminent scientists or bureacrats.
And when you go down through the lists, you see well paid members of the legal profession who get awards for doing their job.
Geez even that little turd Sutton got an award for ruining so many peoples lives.
Our local here did her job as well as being heavily involved in volunteering work.
The elite always look after the elites.
The rest do the hard yards.
Mick
 
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